The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-section 12

[Whiskey Tango]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'

Yeah there's some footage of the IH mo-cap sessions on the dvd. I don't know why these stories keep mentioning it like it's some big new thing.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah Whiskey its weird they keep doing that

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It's totally because of Avatar. Because Avatar was SOOOOOOOO revolutionary, you see? *coff coff, Beowulf coff coff*

 

[steintym]

Yeah today I've started reading up on Hawkeye a bit, and he is a pretty likeable character.

Personally I would rather see the Big Three combine to land the final blow, but if Hawkeye does I would be fine with that (I've seen far worse).

Very cool - I think you'll actually wind up enjoying Hawkeye. He's a pretty fun character.

I was just giving you a little crap ... Depending on the story, I'd probably enjoy one of the Big Three officially ending whatever the threat is too.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Wasn't that more or less how they did it in TIH anyway, with Ed Norton providing facial animations etc? Oh wait no, I forgot, from now on it has to be pointed out it's like 'AVATAR!'

Norton was just doing the facial expressions for the Hulk while there was someone else doing the movement and actions. Btw Tim Roth did both for Abomination.

So this will be the first time an actor does both.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Norton was just doing the facial expressions for the Hulk while there was someone else doing the movement and actions. Btw Tim Roth did both for Abomination.

So this will be the first time an actor does both.

Not so sure about that. I specifically saw behind the scenes piece of footage with Norton acting all wobbly as he's getting off the ground. It was captured to use when Hulk fought Abomination.

 

[marcvader]

Did Norton interact with his costars?

 

[BizarroAids]

Yeah. One scene I remember for sure was the attack at the college. There was a video of Norton with a long stick hooked to his back and Hulks head at the top. It was the part when Hulk covers Betty as the attack helicopter is crashing.

 

[JAK®]

It's totally because of Avatar. Because Avatar was SOOOOOOOO revolutionary, you see? *coff coff, Beowulf coff coff*

It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.

 

[Majik1387]

It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.

I was pretty sure Beowulf, Incredible Hulk and some video games beat Avatar to that punch.

 

[wobbly]

It was the first to achieve a perfect translation from real movement to motion capture, so yeah, it was revolutionary.

I dunno about that. Personally, I'd say Davey Jones bagged that perfect tag first. Gollum came close and that was 9 years ago now.

 

[steintym]

I was thinking Gollum as well. Still holds up pretty damn good.

 

[JAK®]

'Perfect translation' being the key words here. As in, the movements of the actors were perfectly copied by the technology.

One of my tutors on my Animation course was one of the many animators who worked on Lord Of The Rings, his experience with motion capture was that the motion data would be sent to the animators; which would then be highlighted and deleted because it was unusable.

 

[flickchick85]

Action and facial expressions were done separately and put together on a computer before Avatar came along. Cameron was the first to attach cameras to their faces WHILE doing the action mo-cap (which also made the facial stuff far more detailed and accurate). I'm not an Avatar fan at all, but credit where credit's due - it WAS revolutionary on the technology front.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Not so sure about that. I specifically saw behind the scenes piece of footage with Norton acting all wobbly as he's getting off the ground. It was captured to use when Hulk fought Abomination.

He was showing the animators how the Hulk was going to react when he got knocked through the bus.

Trust me, I've seen the special features many times.

Action and facial expressions were done separately and put together on a computer before Avatar came along. Cameron was the first to attach cameras to their faces WHILE doing the action mo-cap (which also made the facial stuff far more detailed and accurate). I'm not an Avatar fan at all, but credit where credit's due - it WAS revolutionary on the technology front.

Yeah, pretty much this. Ruffalo IS going to be the first one to do facial expressions and action.

Though, personally, I hoped Lou Ferrigno would've done all three, facial expressions, mo-cap and voice.

 

[The Question]

I wish they'd use a suit and puppetry. As much ass as that movie was, it worked really well in LXG for Hyde.

 

[Rock Sexton]

He was showing the animators how the Hulk was going to react when he got knocked through the bus.

Trust me, I've seen the special features many times.

So then you had to have seen this .....

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It wasn't Avatar, but they certainly used Norton as reference.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yeah. One scene I remember for sure was the attack at the college. There was a video of Norton with a long stick hooked to his back and Hulks head at the top. It was the part when Hulk covers Betty as the attack helicopter is crashing.

It's in this clip .... 1:24 mark .....

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[Wolvieboy17]

I'm not saying Avatar wasn't big... Hell, the technology was the only thing I liked about the movie, the 3D and how it revolutionised animation.

It just bugs me how single minded the media can be about these things. It doesn't matter what anyone else ever accomplishes, new films will always be compared to either TDK or Avatar :S


Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

I still hate it. Ruffalo is a good actor, but he's not on Norton's level. I so badly wanted to see the Norton/RDJ dynamic.

 

[BigThor]

It just bugs me how single minded the media can be about these things. It doesn't matter what anyone else ever accomplishes, new films will always be compared to either TDK or Avatar :S


Also, Poor Ed Norton. He was great in that movie. I know they chose a great actor for recasting, but personally, I hope they don't change the Hulks face too much from TIH. I thought that Hulk was perfect.

Same here man, that **** is annoying when the media constantly compares movies to Avatar and TDK no matter how different they are.

Yeah, TIH's Hulk design was perfect in my opinion so I hope they leave the design basically the same for the Avengers. His face looks more like Ruffalo's than Norton to me anyways.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think it's fair to say Ruffalo isn't on the same level as Norton, they're both exceptionally talented they're just different. I think Norton was great physically as Banner but there were certain aspects of the character I didn't buy. He didn't seem as emotionally vulnerable to me as I think the character needs to be. I mean The Hulk is essentially a huge metaphor for a damaged psyche, all his emotional issues, be it repressed anger, insecurity etc. I'd love to see that come out more.

 

[WildcatNC]

I don't think it's fair to say Ruffalo isn't on the same level as Norton, they're both exceptionally talented they're just different. I think Norton was great physically as Banner but there were certain aspects of the character I didn't buy. He didn't seem as emotionally vulnerable to me as I think the character needs to be. I mean The Hulk is essentially a huge metaphor for a damaged psyche, all his emotional issues, be it repressed anger, insecurity etc. I'd love to see that come out more.

I loved Norton as Banner and I am really happy with Ruffalo as Banner also. I really like Ruffalo and think he's on par as an actor with Norton easily, he's just not as well known.

I just hate major character recasts. It f***s up suspension of disbelief a little for me, distracts me and takes me out of things a little on a subconscious level.

I love either as Banner. Just wish it was the same one the whole time.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I think it helps considering it's the Hulk. Sure it's a new Banner, but I think you'll forget all about the recasting as soon as he turns into his bigger, meaner, greener self.

 

[WildcatNC]

Well I think it helps considering it's the Hulk. Sure it's a new Banner, but I think you'll forget all about the recasting as soon as he turns into his bigger, meaner, greener self.

I agree, that does help.