The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[dhandler01]

After marinating for a few days i grow to like this even more. I feel attached to the character and esp Gotham already. This is a really good start for new installments. And since Bruce isn't that fleshed out here, they can do more in the sequel. Especially related to Martha, i'm quite unsatisfied at how they didn't explored that after the revelation

I have some questions. Can i ask why Selina used wigs for the second time? I dont get the point since Falcone knew her anyway...

I missed a lot of things so need 2nd watch asap but is there any relation of reservoir plan to renewal money so thats why riddler blow them up? Or it isnt?

I think the wigs weren't to hide her identity but more part of her ensemble at work. Since Catwoman obviously has short hair the wig is a decent cover though.

Plus it makes her look like the hooked at the club.

 

[Kane52630]

Now that I've seen it twice, I absolutely loved how Matt Reeves manage to have a sense of population in Gotham. A lot of movies tend to have the main cast be the focus of the movie and have dialogue and not the tertiary characters. You just see a lot of the extras in this that feel like they're apart of the story and not just background characters. You see it in his Planet of the Apes films and Cloverfield and you see it in here.


Also I think Rob's Batman has probably the most "eye acting" out of all the Batmans on screen. There's a lot going on in the quieter moments when nobody is talking.

 

[Kane52630]

but I think the pacing and style of storytelling would've really benefited from a few episodes. A True Detective style Batman show.

 

[DKDetective]

Now that I've seen it twice, I absolutely loved how Matt Reeves manage to have a sense of population in Gotham. A lot of movies tend to have the main cast be the focus of the movie and have dialogue and not the tertiary characters. You just see a lot of the extras feel like they're apart of the story and not just background characters. You see it in his Planet of the Apes films and Cloverfield and you see it in here.


Also I think Rob's Batman has probably the most "eye acting" out of all the Batmans on screen. There's a lot going on in the quieter moments when nobody is talking.

It is something Serkis was excellent at as well. The realization on his face when he realizes the Mayor case is personal for Bruce due to the traumatized kid finding his Dad's body.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Cannot see the fan film thing at all.

I'm assuming people just mean "Indie" Haha.

 

[BatLobster]

If I was a betting man, I'd say Reeves - given his '70s grit influence - is gonna go for a punk rock, Sex Pistols Sid Vicious type look and feel for his Joker.

Hmmm...you could be right, but I kind of hope they go in another direction seeing as Heath's Joker was very punk rock inspired.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It is something Serkis was excellent at as well. The realization on his face when he realizes the Mayor case is personal for Bruce due to the traumatized kid finding his Dad's body.

That shot where he sees the kid being interviewed by police... Chills. So much intense emotion from Pattinson with so little dialogue. He feels like a ghost.

 

[Snow Queen]

I could see fan film in the sense that this feels like a movie made by a Batman dork, and I mean that in the most endearing way, but I think the confident control of mood and style alone clearly distinguishes it from fan films in the traditional sense.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It is something Serkis was excellent at as well. The realization on his face when he realizes the Mayor case is personal for Bruce due to the traumatized kid finding his Dad's body.

Another thing I loved about the film, how much of Bruce and Alfred's relationship was unspoken but still so present in subtext. I know Nolan is the god of Batman but this felt WAY more authentic than one of those Bale/Caine conversations where Alfred just drives home the whole point of the film in every conversation haha.

For this story, we KNOW Bruce is an introverted shut in, riddled with trauma. It wouldn't make sense for their relationship to constantly be spouting all of their inner monologues. I felt like because they did this so well, it made Bruce's scene with Alfred in hospital carry FAR more emotional heft.

 

[BatLobster]

I could see fan film in the sense that this feels like a movie made by a Batman dork, and I mean that in the most endearing way, but I think the confident control of mood and style alone clearly distinguishes it from fan films in the traditional sense.

This movie was very clearly made by professionals, haha.

The only thing that I would say gave me a hint of the fan film vibe was some of the use of voiceover. Just cause I've seen that attempted in fan films before and it always makes me cringe, and it wasn't my favorite here either.

 

[DKDetective]

Another thing I loved about the film, how much of Bruce and Alfred's relationship was unspoken but still so present in subtext. I know Nolan is the god of Batman but this felt WAY more authentic than one of those Bale/Caine conversations where Alfred just drives home the whole point of the film in every conversation haha.

For this story, we KNOW Bruce is an introverted shut in, riddled with trauma. It wouldn't make sense for their relationship to constantly be spouting all of their inner monologues. I felt like because they did this so well, it made Bruce's scene with Alfred in hospital carry FAR more emotional heft.

Agreed. Reeves is a master of showing, not telling. I really loved the relationship between Alfred and Bruce. It was a great new take on the stiff upper British lip thing. Alfred doesn't know how to express his feelings or be nurturing or parental in the traditional sense, so he tries to do it through what he does know. I love how in his first scene he goes from lecturing Bruce to realizing that the Mitchell kid is bringing up Bruce's trauma so he tries to show Bruce he loves him by helping him with the cyphers. He doesn't know how to comfort him the traditional way, so he uses what he knows.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

This movie was very clearly made by professionals, haha.

The only thing that I would say gave me a hint of the fan film vibe was some of the use of voiceover. Just cause I've seen that attempted in fan films before and it always makes me cringe, and it wasn't my favorite here either.

I personally wish there was more narration, to be honest. It's one of the highlights of the movie for me - Pattinson just crushes it, especially in the opening.

 

[Snow Queen]

This movie was very clearly made by professionals, haha.

The only thing that I would say gave me a hint of the fan film vibe was some of the use of voiceover. Just cause I've seen that attempted in fan films before and it always makes me cringe, and it wasn't my favorite here either.

I wasn't looking forward to it when I heard about it, but it ended up working better for me than I was expecting. In general, I'm not the biggest voice over person, but when that combined with Fraser's cinematography and Can't Fight City Halloween came together, it sang. I can get why it didn't click for you though.

 

[DKDetective]

That shot where he sees the kid being interviewed by police... Chills. So much intense emotion from Pattinson with so little dialogue. He feels like a ghost.

I loved how Reeves could evoke Bruce's trauma with stuff like that instead of showing us the Waynes' murder for the millionth time. It reminded me of Mask of the Phantasm that way in the best way possible.

 

[BatLobster]

I wasn't looking forward to it when I heard about it, but it ended up working better for me than I was expecting. In general, I'm not the biggest voice over person, but when that combined with Fraser's cinematography and Can't Fight City Halloween came together, it sang. I can get why it didn't click for you though.

I'll have to see if I get used to it, but I couldn't help but think "Rorschach's journal...." with it, first time around. Not that it's a bad thing or it's not fitting for this version, but it's an adjustment for me.

But yeah, the establishing shots of the city with the score there were incredible. I'm actually getting chills now thinking about it.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It is interesting that for a movie that somewhat divorces itself from traditional superhero movie stuff The Batman is far, far more engaged with the concept of superheroes and what they represent than more traditional modern comic book movies.

 

[Moncton]

Looking back as to why this film dissaponted me, I think from my perspective this is a film that is pulling itself in different directions. It wants to be different and be a detective noir film, but it leads into the familiar Gotham is corrupt. It doesn't want to focus on Bruce, but then shoehorns a the Wayne's were not what they seem and all of a sudden we get a verbal showdown between Bruce and Alfred out of nowhere. And I still think a big mistake is not giving us Riddler's viewpoint at the beginning or middle so his thread would be more compelling and something we could connect to.

I really wish I liked it as much as most seem to.

 

[flickchick85]

It is interesting that for a movie that somewhat divorces itself from traditional superhero movie stuff The Batman is far, far more engaged with the concept of superheroes and what they represent than more traditional modern comic book movies.

I will say, watching Batman help those people in the water (and later that scene with the girl he carried) got me all choked up in the way I normally only get with Superman. It's the emotional, rousing brand of heroism I'm looking for in this genre but rarely feel anymore from most of the entries of recent times.

 

[Snow Queen]

I will say, watching Batman help those people in the water (and later that scene with the girl he carried) got me all choked up in the way I normally only get with Superman. It's the emotional, rousing brand of heroism I'm looking for in this genre but rarely feel anymore from most of the entries of recent times.

Yeah, Batman holding hands with someone being airlifted away was an image I didn't know I needed but definitely did.

 

[Iceman]

I will say, watching Batman help those people in the water (and later that scene with the girl he carried) got me all choked up in the way I normally only get with Superman. It's the emotional, rousing brand of heroism I'm looking for in this genre but rarely feel anymore from most of the entries of recent times.

Yeah, I wish we’d see this kind of thing more often to remind us that these are heroes not only when they’re fighting bad guys and solving crimes.

 

[Kane52630]

I will say, watching Batman help those people in the water (and later that scene with the girl he carried) got me all choked up in the way I normally only get with Superman. It's the emotional, rousing brand of heroism I'm looking for in this genre but rarely feel anymore from most of the entries of recent times.

It made me wanna do the Will Smith meme when I saw that as opposed to what Snyder did to Batman (and Superman).

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah, Batman holding hands with someone being airlifted away was an image I didn't know I needed but definitely did.

Love how it starts with Bruce basically ignoring a terrified man after rescuing him and then having that clear, beautiful empathy for the kid in the finale.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah, I wish we’d see this kind of thing more often to remind us that these are heroes not only when they’re fighting bad guys and solving crimes.

Something that is almost completely and utterly gone from the genre.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, Batman holding hands with someone being airlifted away was an image I didn't know I needed but definitely did.

We've actually had some truly terrible floods here in Australia over the last week. Lots of footage of people's homes completely underwater, sitting on their roof waiting to be rescued etc.

So that whole sequence I felt hit particularly hard in the cinema I was in.

 

[Iceman]

This movie was very clearly made by professionals, haha.

The only thing that I would say gave me a hint of the fan film vibe was some of the use of voiceover. Just cause I've seen that attempted in fan films before and it always makes me cringe, and it wasn't my favorite here either.

I knew it was coming and wasn’t sure if it would work but Pattinson’s voice was quite effective for it I thought. I’m glad to have had it in at least 1 Bat-film now, especially as Batman is usually economic with his words so this gives us a lot of what’s going on behind the mask.