The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

I like the idea of Barry having chemical scarring but applying proper makeup.

Neat and tidy lipstick, as if he were crossdressing, as opposed to smeared war paint.
 
Yeah I just don't want anything like him just having burns and putting white face paint on over that.

White/Pale/Splotchy (and in the movie's case, also scarred) skin but dyes his hair and wears lipstick has more or less been my ideal approach for the past few years or so.
 
What do you mean "he sulked"? He smiled, laughed, and got up to shoot him again and ****ing danced lol

He literally was sulking when he called Murray "awful". His only motivation for killing Murray was because Murray defended the men he had killed. Yeah, he laughs, but so what? He was laughing the entire movie, it's not coming from a place of genuine glee.

This was maybe the least proactive Joker I've ever seen. Everything he does in the film is him reacting to something someone else does.
 
He literally was sulking when he called Murray "awful". His only motivation for killing Murray was because Murray defended the men he had killed. Yeah, he laughs, but so what? He was laughing the entire movie, it's not coming from a place of genuine glee.

This was maybe the least proactive Joker I've ever seen. Everything he does in the film is him reacting to something someone else does.
At that point it was absolutely out of glee. When he pulls that trigger, THAT'S when he's fully, 100 percent Joker. That's the whole point of the friggin film, showing how a man could develop into being someone like The Joker lol. Hence why he's mostly "reacting" to stuff.
 
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Dang, VA just posted the whole FB3 plot from start to finish lol I hope he doesn't do the same thing with The Batman.
 
I don't think everyone's exactly raring to go see FB3 the way they are with The Batman so I want to think we'll be fine
 
At that point it was absolutely out of glee

It wasn't glee when he pulled the trigger, it was anger. It wasn't glee when he yells "You get what you f____deserve!". This is a Joker who takes things very personally. And if we're honest, what he did to Murray was no different than any of the other murders he commits, it only seems more sensationalistic because it was televised.
 
Arthur Fleck shooting the three men in the subway kicks off the entire film's series of events...

And that only happens because they attacked him. This is what I mean when I saw things just happen to him. This is not Ledger's Joker, or even Nicholson's. This is not a Joker consciously terrorizing Gotham, this is a loner who falls ass backwards into a movement. This is the Joker if he were a total schmuck.
 
And that only happens because they attacked him. This is what I mean when I saw things just happen to him. This is not Ledger's Joker, or even Nicholson's. This is not a Joker consciously terrorizing Gotham, this is a loner who falls ass backwards into a movement. This is the Joker if he were a total schmuck.
Do you have similar complaints about the chemicals factory worker who let's himself be threatened by a couple of two-bit thugs in TKJ? It's interesting to me that you describe Phoenix's Joker as the most reactive when he's virtually the only live-action version who comes into existence before the Batman, and without being inspired or emboldened by him in some way. It's like you went out of your way to pick the one version who has the most claim to being the least reactive, ironically.
 
It wasn't glee when he pulled the trigger, it was anger. It wasn't glee when he yells "You get what you f____deserve!". This is a Joker who takes things very personally. And if we're honest, what he did to Murray was no different than any of the other murders he commits, it only seems more sensationalistic because it was televised.
I mean I'm clearly talking about his behavior RIGHT after, but sure. So what tho? Again, this is a gradual becoming, he's not meant to fully be in the Joker persona the entire movie. It's something that grew, evolved. Maybe it was in him the whole time, but it had to be unleashed by something.

Do you have similar complaints about the chemicals factory worker who let's himself be threatened by a couple of two-bit thugs in TKJ? It's interesting to me that you describe Phoenix's Joker as the most reactive when he's virtually the only live-action version who comes into existence before the Batman, and without being inspired or emboldened by him in some way. It's like you went out of your way to pick the one version who has the most claim to being the least reactive, ironically.
Hit the nail on the head. "He's a loser buffoon!" Yeah, same thing is the case in one of the most acclaimed Joker stories out there.
 
Just one more response, Boom, and I'll let it go.

"He's a loser buffoon!" Yeah, same thing is the case in one of the most acclaimed Joker stories out there.

Can you see Joaquin Phoenix's Joker going up against Batman? And I don't mean a hypothetical, maybe Arthur Fleck turns into a criminal mastermind somehow later on version of the character, I mean the Arthur Fleck actually shown on screen. Because I can't. Bruce brings up The Killing Joke, but focuses only on the origin of the Joker, and not the end, where the Joker is fully realized. I get that Joker is an origin story, but I don't feel we're that much close to a Clown Prince of Crime by the end of it. And because of that, I have a hard time rating that particular version of the Joker over others.
 
Just one more response, Boom, and I'll let it go.



Can you see Joaquin Phoenix's Joker going up against Batman? And I don't mean a hypothetical, maybe Arthur Fleck turns into a criminal mastermind somehow later on version of the character, I mean the Arthur Fleck actually shown on screen. Because I can't. Bruce brings up The Killing Joke, but focuses only on the origin of the Joker, and not the end, where the Joker is fully realized. I get that Joker is an origin story, but I don't feel we're that much close to a Clown Prince of Crime by the end of it. And because of that, I have a hard time rating that particular version of the Joker over others.
JOKER is a lazy, derivative ripoff of better, smarter films that cover the same topics without lionizing their reprehensible protagonists. The same can be said for the film's version of the Joker.
 
More common complaints I disagree with. But y'all do your thing, because it's clear by now no one will convince you otherwise lol
 
More common complaints I disagree with. But y'all do your thing, because it's clear by now no one will convince you otherwise lol

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