The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Mani-Man]

Is it because the architecture is gothic? Lol this is a guy who builds a car and suit himself without billion dollar military tech. Where Reeves said he wanted to ground it like Year One. How is it more fantastical than Nolan’s?

I cant put my finger on it, it just feels less grounded to me.
I know nolan had stuff like the Tumbler, The Bat, he had Scarecrow etc...but somehow the way Reeves shot his Batman, it gives me vibes that feel more fantastical.
Maybe its the Cinematography...i dont know.

 

[boba loba]

Is it because the architecture is gothic? Lol this is a guy who builds a car and suit himself without billion dollar military tech. Where Reeves said he wanted to ground it like Year One. How is it more fantastical than Nolan’s?

Yea, I agree. The Nolan stuff is grounded but it's not as realistic as people say it is. In this version, Batman uses a wingsuit while Nolan used some kind of made-up technology to explain his Batman's cape. And I doubt this batman has some kind of device that calls every bat in the city to help him fall down slowly during that police chase.

 

[shauner111]

I cant put my finger on it, it just feels less grounded to me.
I know nolan had stuff like the Tumbler, The Bat, he had Scarecrow etc...but somehow the way Reeves shot his Batman, it gives me vibes that feel more fantastical.
Maybe its the Cinematography...i dont know.

It's because the camera work is more controlled, which gives off a consistent cinematic vibe as opposed to Nolan/Pfister having some hand held & shaky cam movements that at times gives his Batman movies a real documentary feel (depending on the scene because OBVIOUSLY those movies were incredibly cinematic).

But IMO Nolan's tone had a lot of melodrama and even soap opera love triangles, clean slate tech that wipes out your past, clean energy machines that would "save the world" that are turned into a nuclear bomb with just an adjustment. Microwave Emitter's, Bane punching through cement columns.

I don't know where this trilogy is going but if I simply judge this movie and Reeves' words...there's nothing really like any of those things in the film that I listed. At best there's a futuristic tech that is used but it actually does exist in our world.

So I think the vibes that people are getting has to do with the cinematography having more style like a graphic novel. And the gothic architecture (which isn't fantastical. We have places that look this gothic). Just because it has more style, that doesn’t mean the rules of that world allow for more fantasy.

 

[shauner111]

Yea, I agree. The Nolan stuff is grounded but it's not as realistic as people say it is. In this version, Batman uses a wingsuit while Nolan used some kind of made-up technology to explain his Batman's cape. And I doubt this batman has some kind of device that calls every bat in the city to help him fall down slowly during that police chase.

The key is to see someone who doesn't know much about Batman, as they watch Batman Begins (in your own life or even watch alongs on YouTube). I've seen it a lot when they get to the part where the bats are called via that device and they swarm Arkham. It always gets a reaction like "this is so cool but...HOW is this even possible...like WHAT?!?". There's moments like that throughout the trilogy. It's fantasy but it's presented in a hopefully believable way so you can buy into it even if the idea on paper makes you roll your eyes.

From what I know, this movie has faaaar less of that stuff. Nolan takes more time explaining the tech and yet Reeves' movie will probably feel more plausible.

Like some of us have said recently, it's just two different ways of telling a grounded Batman story. But so far The Batman has the edge for what's realistic vs what's not. Which shouldn't surprise ppl when the list of influences are far more grounded than Nolan's list of influences.

Fans seem to be confusing style with fantasy.

 

[BMW 224]

Just compare the "I'm Batman" scene from begins to the "I'm Vengeance," scene from The Batman trailer.

One is clearly more realistic than the other.

Reeves.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just compare the "I'm Batman" scene from begins to the "I'm Vengeance," scene from The Batman trailer.

One is clearly more realistic than the other.

Reeves.

Neither is anywhere close to the realm of realistic. Are people actually watching the trailers with a dude dressed up in a costume WITH A CAPE, with people flying off building in a manner what would see the dead pretty quickly, where we have the Penguin's car crashing in a manner where not even a F1 driver would survive, and people are screaming "REALISM"?

There is nothing realistic about the dude who is a crime fighting vigilante by way of martial arts, that has armor that can bounce automatic rifle fire, and never gets shot in his big mouth hole, even as you know, everyone he runs into should have a gun (oh look they have pipes, for hand to hand scenes) and he gets within feet them to fight.

Why are the people who say they are fans of the guy who wears bunny ears and calls himself BATMAN, so concerned with proving what is the most realistic take in the land? Because none of them are. Not one is close. You want a realistic Batman take? The garage scene in TDK. Hockey pads guy. Except, he'd be dead. Because Batman wouldn't existence in even a slightly realistic world to save him.

 

[Lily Adler]

Joker is the most realistic Batman movie cause it has an actual message.

 

[shauner111]

Neither is anywhere close to the realm of realistic. Are people actually watching the trailers with a dude dressed up in a costume WITH A CAPE, with people flying off building in a manner what would see the dead pretty quickly, where we have the Penguin's car crashing in a manner where not even a F1 driver would survive, and people are screaming "REALISM"?

There is nothing realistic about the dude who is a crime fighting vigilante by way of martial arts, that has armor that can bounce automatic rifle fire, and never gets shot in his big mouth hole, even as you know, everyone he runs into should have a gun (oh look they have pipes, for hand to hand scenes) and he gets within feet them to fight.

Why are the people who say they are fans of the guy who wears bunny ears and calls himself BATMAN, so concerned with proving what is the most realistic take in the land? Because none of them are. Not one is close. You want a realistic Batman take? The garage scene in TDK. Hockey pads guy. Except, he'd be dead. Because Batman wouldn't existence in even a slightly realistic world to save him.

Oh one of those who swoops in to tell us that none of what we're watching is realistic so why bother having the discussion. We are not stupid people. We are well aware that Batman as a concept isn't actually realistic. We are simply having a discussion about which universe is MORE realistic if you were to compare them. We are obviously interested in this little debate, and you aren't soooo...

 

[shauner111]

Joker is the most realistic Batman movie cause it has an actual message.

So if it didn't have a message it wouldn't be as realistic? Lol huh?

 

[Lily Adler]

So if it didn't have a message it wouldn't be as realistic? Lol huh?

Exactly that's how you know it's realistic. There's no guy running around in a Batsuit just a clown and his message on society.

 

[shauner111]

Exactly that's how you know it's realistic. There's no guy running around in a Batsuit just a clown and his message on society.

The "no guy running around in a batsuit" part is what makes it realistic, not the "there's a message about society" part. You don't need a message in a movie for it to be realistic or more realistic than a movie without one.

 

[Lily Adler]

The "no guy running around in a batsuit" part is what makes it realistic, not the "there's a message about society" part. You don't need a message in a movie for it to be realistic or more realistic than a movie without one.

That's the beauty of it. Its message allows us to embrace its realism.

 

[BMW 224]

Neither is anywhere close to the realm of realistic. Are people actually watching the trailers with a dude dressed up in a costume WITH A CAPE, with people flying off building in a manner what would see the dead pretty quickly, where we have the Penguin's car crashing in a manner where not even a F1 driver would survive, and people are screaming "REALISM"?

There is nothing realistic about the dude who is a crime fighting vigilante by way of martial arts, that has armor that can bounce automatic rifle fire, and never gets shot in his big mouth hole, even as you know, everyone he runs into should have a gun (oh look they have pipes, for hand to hand scenes) and he gets within feet them to fight.

Why are the people who say they are fans of the guy who wears bunny ears and calls himself BATMAN, so concerned with proving what is the most realistic take in the land? Because none of them are. Not one is close. You want a realistic Batman take? The garage scene in TDK. Hockey pads guy. Except, he'd be dead. Because Batman wouldn't existence in even a slightly realistic world to save him.

I'm watching a trailer about a mentally ill man dressed up vaguely like a bat fighting people on the streets.

I've seen crazier things in real life.

My local news literally has a pilot who crashes a ****in helicopter survive so Its not that hard for me to believe that Penguin would survive that car crash.

Hell my dad survived a car crash himself lol.

I don't give a **** about armor delfelcting bullets or his jaw not being shot at sure that's not realistic but it makes for a good story.

Someone who knows martial arts and used those skills to fight crime doesn't sound unrealistic at all to me

All I did was simply point out the obvious fact that Matt Reeves take seems more grounded and realsitc than Nolan.

It's not my problem you seem comically angry about a pretty small observation.

Are you one the those weirdos who hates a certain amount of realism in Batman ?

Or hates when people talk about realism in a certain Batman take ?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh one of those who swoops in to tell us that none of what we're watching is realistic so why bother having the discussion. We are not stupid people. We are well aware that Batman as a concept isn't actually realistic. We are simply having a discussion about which universe is MORE realistic if you were to compare them. We are obviously interested in this little debate, and you aren't soooo...

Last time I checked shauner111, you are not a mod. So don't try and tell me what to do.

But yes, I'm invested. I'm invested in the need to bring one thing down to build another up, as it kind of makes it hard to go to forums and discuss movies. In this game of false equivalence, please explain to me what is "MORE REAL" about The Batman trailers and Batman. Because nothing about either lives in the realm of realism. What you are discussing is stylistic choice, based around the idea that "gritty" = more realistic. It doesn't. Both films fail the physics test. Both films have people running around in outlandish costumes. Both involve the impossibly bulletproof crime fighting vigilante.

I like the new style mostly. I think it's neat. But it's a veer of grit and grime. Like Star Wars. Which in no universe, is real. All of this, is fantasy sci-fi. So what about it makes it more "realistic"?

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I'm watching a trailer about a mentally ill man dressed up vaguely like a bat fighting people on the streets.

I've seen crazier things in real life.

My local news literally has a pilot who crashes a ****in helicopter survive so Its not that hard for me to believe that Penguin would survive that car crash.

Hell my dad survived a car crash himself lol.

I don't give a **** about armor delfelcting bullets or his jaw not being shot at sure that's not realistic but it makes for a good story.

Someone who knows martial arts and used those skills to fight crime doesn't sound unrealistic at all to me

All I did was simply point out the obvious fact that Matt Reeves take seems more grounded and realsitc than Nolan.

It's not my problem you seem comically angry about a pretty small observation.

Are you one the those weirdos who hates a certain amount of realism in Batman ?

Or hates when people talk about realism in a certain Batman take ?

What about it is more realistic exactly than Nolan’s?

 

[BMW 224]

What about it is more realistic exactly than Nolan’s?

Everything to do with Batman/Bruce Wayne himself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm watching a trailer about a mentally ill man dressed up vaguely like a bat fighting people on the streets.

I've seen crazier things in real life.

My local news literally has a pilot who crashes a ****in helicopter survive so Its not that hard for me to believe that Penguin would survive that car crash.

Hell my dad survived a car crash himself lol.

I don't give a **** about armor delfelcting bullets or his jaw not being shot at sure that's not realistic but it makes for a good story.

Someone who knows martial arts and used those skills to fight crime doesn't sound unrealistic at all to me

All I did was simply point out the obvious fact that Matt Reeves take seems more grounded and realsitc than Nolan.

It's not my problem you seem comically angry about a pretty small observation.

Are you one the those weirdos who hates a certain amount of realism in Batman ?

Or hates when people talk about realism in a certain Batman take ?

And that right there is the point. You state something is an "obvious fact" while at the same time ignoring what isn't realistic to make the point. You think grit and grim equals realism. If you want to have the realism discussion, let's do it, but then I am going to point out what realism is. And it's not being cool.

You say someone who know martial arts and uses those skills to fight crime doesn't sound unrealistic to you at all. Can you find me the successful real world Batman roaming the streets of the US today? You know, in the world where people, including kids, are gun downed by the cops daily. You think Batman sounds realistic?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Everything to do with Batman/Bruce Wayne himself.

Be specific.

 

[BMW 224]

Be specific.

His mental state his fighting style his gadgets and his Bruce Wayne and his parents.

 

[cryptic name]

Joker is the most realistic Batman movie cause it has an actual message.

The message being “Scorsese is cool. I wish I was him.”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

His mental state his fighting style his gadgets and his Bruce Wayne and his parents.

How is his mental state more "realistic"?

How is his fighting style?

How are his gadgets?

How is Bruce Wayne more realistic?

How are his parents?

Realistic is a very specific term here. So it' be nice to know what you mean.

 

[Lily Adler]

The message being “Scorsese is cool. I wish I was him.”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Joker is the most realistic Batman movie cause it has an actual message.

What's the message Lily?! TELL ME!!!!

 

[BMW 224]

And that right there is the point. You state something is an "obvious fact" while at the same time ignoring what isn't realistic to make the point. You think grit and grim equals realism. If you want to have the realism discussion, let's do it, but then I am going to point out what realism is. And it's not being cool.

You say someone who know martial arts and uses those skills to fight crime doesn't sound unrealistic to you at all. Can you find me the successful real world Batman roaming the streets of the US today? You know, in the world where people, including kids, are gun downed by the cops daily. You think Batman sounds realistic?

I'm not ignoring what isn't reasltic at all.

There are plenty of things.

For example Riddler would not be able to pull of any the stuff he does in this film in the real world.

He would be stopped the moment he kills a Mayor.

I'm simply saying Reeves take that is more realistic compared to Nolan's and other Batman takes and suphero property's.

Obviously someone using martial arts to take on crime would not be successful in the long run.

But Its aboutsety reasltic that someone would uses those skills go out there in the streets do so.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not ignoring what isn't reasltic at all.

There are plenty of things.

For example Riddler would not be able to pull of any the stuff he does in this film in the real world.

He would be stopped the moment he kills a Mayor.

I'm simply saying Reeves take that is more realistic compared to Nolan's and other Batman takes and suphero property's.

Obviously someone using martial arts to take on crime would not be successful in the long run.

But Its aboutsety reasltic that someone would uses those skills go out there in the streets do so.

Based on what?