The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Drizzle]

Well the Joker appearance wasn't well hidden leading up to the movie coming out but I was holding out hope that we'd see a surprise appearance from Harvey Dent at the end introducing himself as the new DA. I know the film was packed enough without him but I'm just really excited to get to Reeves' Two-Face.

 

[Kane52630]

I dunno, I liked the practicality of the parachute.

 

[kguillou]

Was there a bigger significance to the Ava maria song that I missed? Or was just just a motif they chose for Riddler?

 

[Detective Conan]

Matt Reeves talks about that Joker scene:

 

[antsman41]

Was there a bigger significance to the Ava maria song that I missed? Or was just just a motif they chose for Riddler?

It was a song the orphan kids sang... so, it was buried into his psyche tied with the Wayne Renewal Announcement.

 

[The Joker]

Matt Reeves talks about that Joker scene:

I just watched that. His idea of Joker being someone who cannot stop smiling because of a genetic disease is really interesting. Definitely a fresh take on it.

 

[BobJM]

Well the Joker appearance wasn't well hidden leading up to the movie coming out but I was holding out hope that we'd see a surprise appearance from Harvey Dent at the end introducing himself as the new DA. I know the film was packed enough without him but I'm just really excited to get to Reeves' Two-Face.

With the level of corruption on display in The Batman, I don’t know if dragging down yet another politic figure is the way to go for a sequel.

I could see the sequel being an adaptation of Dark Victory and focus on the mobs vying for control of the city amidst No Man Land and contending with the “freaks.”

 

[BobJM]

It was a song the orphan kids sang... so, it was buried into his psyche tied with the Wayne Renewal Announcement.

Good call; I missed that too

 

[antsman41]

With the level of corruption on display in The Batman, I don’t know if dragging down yet another politic figure is the way to go for a sequel.

I could see the sequel being an adaptation of Dark Victory and focus on the mobs vying for control of the city amidst No Man Land and contending with the “freaks.”

With Maroni narc'd on by Falcone, and Falcone killed by Riddler... the traditional mob scene is essentially done for. Penguin will take over, but grow and adapt Falcone's business.

The Freaks are here to stay.

 

[BobJM]

With Maroni narc'd on by Falcone, and Falcone killed by Riddler... the traditional mob scene is essentially done for. Penguin will take over, but grow and adapt Falcone's business.

The Freaks are to stay.

Oh agreed; and I’m fine not dealing with Falcone or Maroni for a while—Batman had other mob rogues!

Rupert Thorne, Roman Sionis, Johnny Viti, Tony Zucco, Eddie Skeevers, etc.

Heck let’s get the Falcone children in there to continue the Sins of the Father motif. Maybe Penguin/Oz has a relationship with Sofia like Maroni does in the comic.

 

[Boom]

Matt Reeves talks about that Joker scene:

You can go ahead and just release the scene any time you want there, Matt.

 

[Rod]

GIven that:

From CBR - about The Batman universe (from prequel comics):

"That's right, Lex Luthor exists in this universe, and it seems he has his hands in all kinds of business ventures. And with Bruce having such an affinity for cars in this continuity, it appears Lex operating his own racing team is more than just an Easter egg. It could be setting up for a meeting between the two moguls down the line, as Bruce has been known to be a thorn in Lex's side in various mediums."

Given that Lex was the main force behind No Man's Land, I wouldn't rule out he appearing in next movie, since it basically picks up greatly from that storyline. I admit he'd be a great villain for both that Bruce/Batman, indeed.

 

[antsman41]

Gosh, I loved how this Gotham felt like it actually had a population. The "cities" the Marvel have been showcasing seem so desolate and unrealistic. I laughed at how no one noticed the giant creature fight in the beginning of Eternals.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Well apparently I’ve been saying Barry Keoghan’s last name wrong this entire time. I thought it was “Key-O-Gan” when it reality, it is much much fancier

 

[The Shape]

 

[antsman41]

Especially concerning that Bruce might be walking into a trap/the end of "The Batman" if Riddler knows his identity.

 

[Rod]

Some further thoughts on the film themes, as well:


I think the movie did a great job to demonstrate that even if you actually are well intentioned, you still need to take care and do good things in a very well thought manner, otherwise, the system will just crush you eventually, just like Thomas and Martha were actually trying to do a good thing donating the Wayne Manor for orphanage and opening the billion dollar Renewal for the disavatadged, but were eventually trapped and their deeds exploited or how Bruce is confused if is he having any effect by the beginning of the movie, depicting of how a person he saves is totally afraid of him and how, by the end, he notices his means inspired Riddler and others alike - much like the dude unsmaked that also goes "I'm vengeance". Then coming to understand that, yes it's necessary to be Batman, but as a symbol of hope.


It's very meaningful, paying a closer attention that the first thing Alfred questions is Bruce leaving aside his family's legacy, to which he says [helping ppl in this manner] he is doing his family's legacy just fine.


Then further ahead in the movie, you realise if he had better paid attention to his duties as Bruce Wayne, he'd have inspected the Renewal to not let it reach such situation or the orphanage to not get into such a state of abandon and desrepair. His Wayne side, just as Alfred points as the very first thing in the movie, was more meaningful than he comprehended.

 

[DKDetective]

GIven that:



Given that Lex was the main force behind No Man's Land, I wouldn't rule out he appearing in next movie, since it basically picks up greatly from that storyline. I admit he'd be a great villain for both that Bruce/Batman, indeed.

The third act of this wasn't No Man's Land though. It was pure Zero Year. The movie even uses the exact same final line of dialogue.

 

[Drizzle]

With the level of corruption on display in The Batman, I don’t know if dragging down yet another politic figure is the way to go for a sequel.

I wouldn't expect Harvey to have his rise and fall from grace all in one movie as in TDK. Introduce him and establish him as Gotham's squeaky clean DA in the next movie (albeit with a dark side to him) then have him become Two-Face in the third film.

It was a song the orphan kids sang... so, it was buried into his psyche tied with the Wayne Renewal Announcement.

What's with these Batman movies and orphan choirs anyway?

 

[Rod]

The third act of this wasn't No Man's Land though. It was pure Zero Year. The movie even uses the exact same final line of dialogue.

I saw it as a mix, given there's a power vacuum within the criminals by the end of NML (and that's what Selina exactly mentions and warns Bruce about - in a scene that is also pretty much TellTale verbatim, when she also asked for him to leave it all behind with her) and that in Zero Year the event is reverted (Riddler starts the flood then takes over the city).

 

[Boom]

Could totally be off-base, but I left this movie with the distinct feeling that Two-Face isn't happening.

 

[BatLobster]

I think this series will suffer if it tries to cram in every single villain that fans want to see. The 4 most iconic villains are already represented here, one film in. Two-Face is important, and this film does kill the DA. We'll see. Reeves has to focus on the ones that he feels he has a fresh take on and can center the best stories around.

 

[fake]

Could totally be off-base, but I left this movie with the distinct feeling that Two-Face isn't happening.

If Two-Face happens, it won't be till the third movie I think. Same with Joker, we won't see Joker as the main antagonist till the third movie. The second movie will be something completely different, may even be Batman having to fight through a gauntlet of villains taking advantage of the chaos in Gotham post the flooding with Penguin building his empire at the same time. Everything comes to a head in the third one with Penguin, Joker and maybe a returning Riddler.

 

[antsman41]

I think Reeves is too smart, he’ll bring in Harv in 2… but won’t scar him until the end-end or not even until part 3.

 

[Boom]

'The Batman' Has Deleted Scene Where Robert Pattinson Met THAT Villain, Says Matt Reeves

Sounds like we will get the cut Joker scene sooner rather than later, if I'm interpreting Reeves' words correctly.

 

[Milkman95]

I'd like to see Ventriloquist, Mad Hatter, and maybe even Reeves' interpretation of the Scarecrow in this universe. Hugo Strange would be awesome too, Two-Face is great, but I'd like to see some different villains this time around.