The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Boom]

No he didn't. I swear people interpret quotes in the worst ways possible. He did NOT say he has NO plans for Joker, he's playing coy about it. It's clearly obvious a lot of thought was put into the origin, design and characterization of this Joker for Matt to just go "Nah tbh I have no plans for him, it was just a cameo!". They CLEARLY have plans for him. Matt just announced today that the GCPD show has evolved into a horror style series depicting Arkham Asylum and he specifically mentioned that we'd see characters from the film that were in Arkham. Sounds to me like that's the perfect show to build up Joker even more, possibly even introduce Harley Quinn as Joker's doctor/therapist

He's stated multiple times when asked about Joker that he wanted to express that this an early days Joker when he isn't fully formed yet, that's why he wanted to deliberately hide his face in both scenes that he shot, so it can tease the audience for what's to come.

Matt is obviously just trying to hide his sequel plans as it is very early days, but you can bet on it there's a very high chance Joker plays a part in the sequel. You don't cast an actor like Keoghan, give him prosthetic design by Mike Marino, develop his origins with meeting Batman for the first time and film two entire scenes with him..... just to never use him again lol

They OBVIOUSLY have big plans for this character

 

[BatLobster]

With Reeves already thinking trilogy though, it's possible his Joker plans could figure more into his third film than the second. There's no doubt we'll see more of him, but I think that part we'll have to wait and see about.

 

[flygerr5]

This GCPD/Arkham thing is very interesting. For the longest time I thought this GCPD show would explore year one and the central focus would be the Maroni drug bust case and the drops operation. I thought we'd see a bunch of characters from the film and the entire GCPD. And I thought Joker would somehow be involved as a serial killer who gets put away by a Year One Batman.

But now I'm completely confused. We know Joe Barton handed in the scripts in November/December. Since that time, has Reeves had a change of mind? Maybe he didn't like the direction Barton was going or maybe he started to change his mind about telling that story. Or did this Arkham change happen a long time ago? Maybe that's why Terence Winter left the project and Barton was hired? There's a lot of confusion surrounding this show. If it has changed into an Arkham show, will it still be in Year One? Will the show start off with Joker being thrown into Arkham by Batman? Or is the show now changed to take place after the events of the film? So many questions

 

[Boom]

Telling ya, fam. Third film, Batman trapped in Arkham.

 

[WatchProtect]

This GCPD/Arkham thing is very interesting. For the longest time I thought this GCPD show would explore year one and the central focus would be the Maroni drug bust case and the drops operation. I thought we'd see a bunch of characters from the film and the entire GCPD. And I thought Joker would somehow be involved as a serial killer who gets put away by a Year One Batman.

But now I'm completely confused. We know Joe Barton handed in the scripts in November/December. Since that time, has Reeves had a change of mind? Maybe he didn't like the direction Barton was going or maybe he started to change his mind about telling that story. Or did this Arkham change happen a long time ago? Maybe that's why Terence Winter left the project and Barton was hired? There's a lot of confusion surrounding this show. If it has changed into an Arkham show, will it still be in Year One? Will the show start off with Joker being thrown into Arkham by Batman? Or is the show now changed to take place after the events of the film? So many questions

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1iIf1f0fywHiGplJI82YZ5

This is the first mention of Arkham anything involving the Spin-off. At the time it just seemed like we'd have Arkham in the show but it's possible around this time (August 10th 2021) that the change had already happened

 

[DKDetective]

Telling ya, fam. Third film, Batman trapped in Arkham.

That would be perfect and a great conclusion to the story started here. It would tie into Martha's past institutionalizations and be the ultimate showcase for Reeves' desire to use the rogue's gallery to its fullest. Since Pattinson has expressed interest in Robin and potential adapting Death in the Family, I think pulling elements from Death in the Family and The Killing Joke could be an excellent way to set up Bats trapped in Arkham and a descent into that madness. Given how Reeves has foregrounded Bruce's trauma and his fear of going through the pain of losing someone he cares about, I think it could be a very interesting challenge to have Bruce have to face the idea of losing his "family" again as his ultimate test. However, I would subvert the ending of Death in the Family and have Robin survive and be okay.

 

[flygerr5]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECAcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1iIf1f0fywHiGplJI82YZ5

This is the first mention of Arkham anything involving the Spin-off. At the time it just seemed like we'd have Arkham in the show but it's possible around this time (August 10th 2021) that the change had already happened

Yeah I remember that. Very interesting.... Barton was hired in January 2021. So it seems like the show evolved into an Arkham series after Terence Winter left. I wonder if that corrupt cop battling for his soul storyline is still tied to this show. There's still so many questions. One thing I know for sure, Joker will be involved.

 

[J.Drangal]

On my second watch, I'm torn about the swerve with Riddler knowing/not knowing Bruce is Batman. On one hand, it's a very elegant twist. Throughout the film he's writing to Batman, we naturally assume he's playing an antagonistic game with him. I liked that aspect more after my second viewing.

On the other hand it feels a bit forced to me that he's monologuing about Bruce Wayne's wealth to Batman. I wonder if it may have been more powerful if he did simply know his identity, or it was kept more ambiguous maybe. I understand why they did it from the whole "I'm inspiring incels" angle of the third act, but from an in-movie character perspective it feels a bit clunky to me.

Especially because Selina easily deduces that Bruce must be rich. Ed can't at least put that much together?

This is where it starts to come apart for me a bit and I feel like the movie is trying to do a few too many things, muddying Batman's arc in the process. The second mostly ironed out some of my issues, but this one area I still feel could've been a bit tighter and more impactful in terms of Batman's arc



Just hearing him say the word "psychopath" in a Bat-growl gave me Bale feels. My favorite part of the sequence despite a few of my misgivings.

Yep, I’m a bit with you on this one. I loved the movie but in comparison to how radical and frankly impressive the film is on every other level (visuals, characterization, etc.), I wish the story had bolder choices or at least would have been a little tighter in the last third.

I was pretty sure that, at one point, the Riddler would discover about Batman's true identity and then use a supposed truth about his family to break him. Especially with taglines like "Unmasked the Truth" or even everything from the first teaser. "You are part of it too", "If you are Justice (if you want to be this vigilante), please do not lie (to yourself about where you really come from), what is the price of your blind eyes? (what will it takes for you to open your eyes about your family?)", etc.
This could have been for the Riddler the ultimate fraud to uncover. This "force for good", the Batman, born from a lie. He doesn't even have to reveal it to the city but, like said above, just to let Bruce know about it to break him mentally and then legitimize his own crusade as the only truly virtuous one.
I think something like that would have given the story a nice second wind before moving on to the final act. As it is, the film loses a bit of its tension after the interrogation scene for me.

Plus, it would've made Riddler and Batman's relationship a bit more intimate while also making Wayne's subplot more relevant to Bruce's path to becoming a true hero. To recover from that, he would have no choice but completely rethink his crusade, going from mindless revenge to finding an epiphany when trying to protect the civilians from the Riddler militia and their "purification" mission. You can still have Alfred finally nuancing it all, but after the climax, after Bruce managed to get out of that eventuality by having evolved on his own.

Anyway, just a nitpick in what is otherwise an incredible foundation stone for this new saga.
Since my viewing last Tuesday, I still have the movie in my mind and I've been blasting the soundtrack ever since, haha. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this new team goes next and while I've never been a huge fan of spin-offs and all, with this cast and that incredibly haunting Gotham (I can't stress how much I love its atmosphere, the dark visuals, the rain, the music...), I'm really f*****' ready!

 

[THE WOLF]

I'm sure this has been asked already in here but what happened here? a fake out??

 

[cryptic name]

Telling ya, fam. Third film, Batman trapped in Arkham.

That’s definitely the way to go. Die Hard Batman. Plus it’s a way to use Joker again that feels different.

 

[Caped Crusader]

I'm hoping Dent is in the next film

 

[Holy Slapper]

I have to say I wasn't all that happy with the Joker scene.What kind of prison/asylum allows inmates to talk to each other like that?

Somewhat disappointed with the lack of speed from the Batmobile. I was hoping at least a grappling hook or at least one gadget. The rocket engine being the only one was a bit of a let down and should produce a lot more speed than what we saw.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Somewhat disappointed with the lack of speed from the Batmobile. I was hoping at least a grappling hook or at least one gadget. The rocket engine being the only one was a bit of a let down and should produce a lot more speed than what we saw.

I thought that about his gadgets.. but I remembered he's only in his 2nd year as Batman

 

[WatchProtect]

Even him having limited gadgets he still had gadgets that no other live-action Batman has had.

 

[VonRomberg]

A crowded highway with civilian drivers and chasing a criminal he presumably doesn’t want to kill…the driving speed seemed perfectly fine for someone without a deathwish.

He used the boost from the jet engine to break through falling objects from the back of a truck and more than caught up with Cobblepot’s car, all seemed completely fast enough.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I have to say I wasn't all that happy with the Joker scene.What kind of prison/asylum allows inmates to talk to each other like that?

Somewhat disappointed with the lack of speed from the Batmobile. I was hoping at least a grappling hook or at least one gadget. The rocket engine being the only one was a bit of a let down and should produce a lot more speed than what we saw.

I'm not too sure about that, actually

The Batmobile only has 700 HP and is very clearly armored. And well...armour on a car is ****ing heavy.

If you want a car to go fast, it needs to have a stupidly powerful engine and be insanely light. The Batmobile isn't designed for just speed. It needs durability. As a big car nerd, I'd say the Batmobile's speed is actually about what I'd expect. Any more would be impractical for its use, i.e. darting through traffic.

 

[Holy Slapper]

I thought that about his gadgets.. but I remembered he's only in his 2nd year as Batman

I understand that but the Tim Burton Batman films spoiled me on a Batmobile with gadgets and I was hoping for at least a grappling hook. I also understand the rocket engine being to compensate for the armor but I was hoping for at least a little more speed.

 

[BobJM]

I'm sure this has been asked already in here but what happened here? a fake out??

In believe Reeves has said he wanted an authentic reaction from Pattinson.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Im so glad that Riddler wasn’t obsessed with Batman’s identity, because that “who is Batman” storyline is so outdated and debilitating to his character.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Land Before Time

 

[Gothamsknight]

Joker being reserved as the big baddie for the 3rd film or the Arkham asylum show is the way to go. I think some people are possibly expecting Joker in the next film after that scene, but I doubt he shows up in the next one. I think the show will be a place where they establish him before becomes the main villain at the end of the trilogy.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm hoping Dent is in the next film

I think he will be. I feel like this movie sort of set that up with the DA stuff.

 

[Kane52630]

Telling ya, fam. Third film, Batman trapped in Arkham.

Man I hope so... I'm a sucker for bottle films.

 

[Prison Mike]

Dent was so perfectly portrayed in TDK that I can’t imagine anyone topping it.

 

[Jekecy]

Dent was so perfectly portrayed in TDK that I can’t imagine anyone topping it.

Two-Face is what's due for a proper villain arc.

But with so many active players from the first film already, I don't know if I'm itching for his inclusion. Save for Joker, I can live without any of the previous Nolan villains making an appearance.