The Dark Knight The Batmobile Thread, Only Better.

[TheBatman072]

Look at the BIG notch where the wheel is attached! It looks like it can turn 90 degrees, which would make it perpendicular to the rest of the vehicle. And do you see the hyrdaulic struts on the panel on the left, the way they are hinged seems that their purpose is to increase the distance between the two wheels.

Then where does the Bat-Pod come from? Since it's attached to the wheels, the Pod being in the middle of the wheels.

 

[Penismightier]

not particularly your almost there.. Preparation is key!~

Thank you, I'll get right on it. That really would be a perfect avatar.

 

[jtfaria]

Regarding the wrecked Tumbler: A bright fellow in another thread remarked that there were TWO Tumblers, to carry the bridge (which they could never get to work). Therefore, a spare exists.

Regarding the pod: I'm on the fence. Maybe it pops out of the Tumbler somehow. Maybe "pod" is short for "escape pod". Yes, it does resemble the Tumbler, possibly even using the same wheels.

Thinking about how to "escape" the Tumbler: Real tanks don't have anything like a motorcycle-pod, and they are bigger than the Tumbler (and therefore have more room for such a thing). If you need to escape the Tumbler, it seems to me you'd have a variant on an ejector seat. It would just wrap you up (protect you) and pop you out a hundred yards. It would be surrounded by airbags (like the landing gear used in Red Planet), you would bounce around till you stopped.

So, you know, I am not sold on the idea of this thing popping out of the Tumbler. I see it as a seperate vehicle that fills a real need: The Tumbler is too damn big to use in many situations.

However, I don't see why the Tumbler could not carry the pod as cargo. Why should the Tumbler transform? Carry the pod in a manner similar to the way it was going to carry the bridge. I could even see the Tumbler ejecting the thing with Batman on it while it is under remote control (Alfred) or even while another driver is operating it.

I say leave the Transforming to Michael Bay.

 

[jtfaria]

Look at the BIG notch where the wheel is attached! It looks like it can turn 90 degrees, which would make it perpendicular to the rest of the vehicle. And do you see the hyrdaulic struts on the panel on the left, the way they are hinged seems that their purpose is to increase the distance between the two wheels.

Remember that whatever you're proposing is not going to be done in CGI. It has to actually work, more or less. Nolan will let CGI "help", but he won't stand for that kind of cheat.

 

[Bright Knight]

Then where does the Bat-Pod come from? Since it's attached to the wheels, the Pod being in the middle of the wheels.

As I explained in my original post, I think that the batman section comes out of the middle of the tumbler and is comprised of the section where batman launches his weapons from. I mean, he's already going to be on his stomach when he's in that section of the tumbler, and he's on his stomach when he's on the pod, any other time when he's in the tumbler he's sitting upright, so if the pod ejects from the tumbler, how does he change from that position without getting decapitated?

As I said, I don't know the dynamics of how it will work, it's just a theory, and turning the wheels like that would have them go perpendicular to the direction of movement. I think that when the wheels turn 90 degrees, as they open up, like in a scissors movement, the weapons launching bay comes out and locks into place in the correct position with the wheels.

 

[TheBatman072]

As I explained in my original post, I think that the batman section comes out of the middle of the tumbler and is comprised of the section where batman launches his weapons from. I mean, he's already going to be on his stomach when he's in that section of the tumbler, and he's on his stomach when he's on the pod, any other time when he's in the tumbler he's sitting upright, so if the pod ejects from the tumbler, how does he change from that position without getting decapitated?

As I said, I don't know the dynamics of how it will work, it's just a theory, and turning the wheels like that would have them go perpendicular to the direction of movement. I think that when the wheels turn 90 degrees, as they open up, like in a scissors movement, the weapons launching bay comes out and locks into place in the correct position with the wheels.

That will NEVER happen.


I haven't seen the movie, nor am I involved in it in anyway, but I can pretty much guarantee that that will never, ever happen.


The Pod snapping on to the tires? C'mon.

 

[hammy]

With all of this talk I really have to choose my avatar wisely when I earn one, don't I? I mean, if it's at all suggestive then it just magnifies the problem.

Well, if it's suggestive in the male sense of things, yeah, you're right. A package pic would probably get you banned. But this is the hype .. boobs and bums hanging out all over the place are encouraged, as long as they're female. I for one would love a nice package pic.

Sorry for being off topic. I'll stop now.

 

[Bright Knight]

That will NEVER happen.


I haven't seen the movie, nor am I involved in it in anyway, but I can pretty much guarantee that that will never, ever happen.


The Pod snapping on to the tires? C'mon.

I'm beginning to think that you have no idea what I'm talking about. But hey... I'm in a patient mood.

I don't know what you mean by snapping on to the tires? But if it does happen, I'm gonna ressurect this thread and rub it in your face so so so bad. I'm just saying what MIGHT happen, a theory!

As far as I know, the rumors as they stand are that the pod comes out of the tumbler. Can you come up with a better explanation?

Regarding how it "transforms", look at the pic of the tumbler you posted, look at the joinings of the panel and the hydraulic struts, it looks to me that they are designed to open up and spread the wheels apart. If you knew what a scissors movement in engineering was, you'd understand what I mean by the pod section locking into place when the wheels open up.

 

[jtfaria]

As far as I know, the rumors as they stand are that the pod comes out of the tumbler. Can you come up with a better explanation?

Uh, yeah. I just did. It's in the "trunk" or wherever they were going to store the bridge. No transformation.

 

[TheBatman072]

I don't know what you mean by snapping on to the tires?

I think that when the wheels turn 90 degrees, as they open up, like in a scissors movement, the weapons launching bay comes out and locks into place in the correct position with the wheels.

Your own words. It "locks" into place.

 

[Bright Knight]

Uh, yeah. I just did. It's in the "trunk" or wherever they were going to store the bridge. No transformation.

OK not that IS silly! Have you seen the size of the tyres?! They're HUGE!!! The tumbler is actually quite a compact vehicle. Seriously, look at the pics.

The tumbler doesn't have a trunk, it's a rear engined vehicle, like a lambo or a ferrari.

 

[TheBatman072]

So it's between an impossible idea like it transforming out of the Tumbler and the very boring idea of it being in the "trunk."

...

I'll just stick to my idea of Bruce actually showing some technical prowess and building it from the wreckage of the Tumbler.

 

[jtfaria]

OK not that IS silly! Have you seen the size of the tyres?! They're HUGE!!! The tumbler is actually quite a compact vehicle. Seriously, look at the pics.

The tumbler doesn't have a trunk, it's a rear engined vehicle, like a lambo or a ferrari.

You're actually calling a simpler, more rational explanation "silly"? It makes more sense that "transformers" really exist? You think these guys can actually build something that turns itself into a pod? It's a miracle that even a convertible top comes down without help!

The tumbler was "designed as a bridging vehicle" and two of them carried a portable bridge. In a trunk, or as an attachment, or whatever. The pod would attach in a similar fashion. Hello? This is Earth calling.

 

[jtfaria]

The tumbler is actually quite a compact vehicle.

It is because the Tumbler is a compact vehicle that a pod would have to attach to it somehow. You cannot cram something like the pod into a smallish vehicle just because once in a blue moon you might need it. Every inch is precious. You load it in when you do need it.

What's silly is this argument. Nolan would laugh at you. (Well maybe not, he seems rather polite and reserved. But he would not take your idea seriously, which is the point.) The tumbler will not transform itself into another vehicle, shedding unused pieces, like the Batmobile did in Batman Returns. No matter how badly you want it, that won't happen. It looked fake and silly then, and it would look fake and silly now.

You wanted a better explanation of how the pod would 'pop' out of the Tumbler, and I gave it to you. Boring? Maybe, but practical and logical. What you're saying is extremely impractical - THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD IT AND MAKE IT WORK.

 

[Bright Knight]

Your own words. It "locks" into place.

Yup! They were my words, not snapping.

OK...

Look at this.

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X
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Imagine that this is the "axle" of the tumbler, and that a wheel is connected to each side of the "axle" on the top and bottom lext of the X.

What I'm talking about, is that the X closes in on itself, ie, the top wheel would go to the right, and the bottom to the right, so that both "axles" are lined up together.

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X I
- -

Now imagine that the wheels then do their 90 movement, to lock into place in line with the axle. As I've said, looking at the pic, it looks like they can do this.

When the "X" is locking into the "I" can you imagine a scissors movement between the batman riding section and the "axle"??? If you imagine the fulcrum of the riding section to be the intersection of the "axles", it isn't difficult to comprehend at all!

Look it's a basic engineering principle! But if you still can't understand it short of drawing a diagram I can't explain it any better!!!

 

[Bright Knight]

Uh, yeah. I just did. It's in the "trunk" or wherever they were going to store the bridge. No transformation.

You cannot stuff something like the pod into such a thing just because once in a blue moon you might need it. Every inch is precious. You load it in when you do need it.

Jtfaria, what I've done here is called a juxtaposition... I put one thing you said beside another thing you said to show you that you're not making sense. These were said within 20 mins of eachother, or less.

I'm just going to allow the quotes speak for themselves.


Anyway... I am MERELY THEORISING on how the Pod might be part of the Tumbler and how it might come out of it, because AS FAR AS I KNOW, the rumors are that the pod pops out of the tumbler.

 

[BEEEsH]

Tumbler gets blown up. Returns in the third movie.
Batpod is what remains of the tumbler.

 

[Bright Knight]

I'll just stick to my idea of Bruce actually showing some technical prowess and building it from the wreckage of the Tumbler.

I'll tell you what... You tell me how bruce/batman brings back the wreckage of the tumbler to the batcave without drawing attention to himself, ie, by not having to hire a towtruck etc, and i'll agree with you right here and now.

You're forgetting that the tumbler blows up in a very public place! Not only is the tumbler a vehicle that stands out... So do explosions! As do smouldering wrecks of tanks in cities!

 

[TheBatman072]

I'll tell you what... You tell me how bruce/batman brings back the wreckage of the tumbler to the batcave without drawing attention to himself, ie, by not having to hire a towtruck etc, and i'll agree with you right here and now.

You're forgetting that the tumbler blows up in a very public place! Not only is the tumbler a vehicle that stands out... So do explosions! As do smouldering wrecks of tanks in cities!

Bruce is a billionaire. If he wants something done quietly, it'll get done quietly. Also, he's got an entire company at his disposal. Of which provides the city of Gotham with A LOT. Building materials and machines and such.


Or, he could just leave it there. And since he OWNS the place where it was built, he could just get Fox to help him build the Bat-Pod.


It's a lot better than the impossible idea of the Pod somehow coming out of the Tumbler.

 

[BEEEsH]

I'll tell you what... You tell me how bruce/batman brings back the wreckage of the tumbler to the batcave without drawing attention to himself, ie, by not having to hire a towtruck etc, and i'll agree with you right here and now.

That can be very easily explained. City cleaning crew impounds the wreckage, Gorden lets batman retrieve it. God forbid Wayne enterprises somehow acquired the scraps through some random 3rd party company. You can explain it a thousand ways.

 

[Bright Knight]

Bruce is a billionaire. If he wants something done quietly, it'll get done quietly. He's got an entire company at his disposal.


Or, he could just leave it there. And since he OWNS the place where it was built, he could just get Fox to help him build the Bat-Pod.


It's a lot better than the impossible idea of the Pod somehow coming out of the Tumbler.

See, what you did there was not offer me any reasonable explanation of how the batpod could be discretely removed to the batcave, proving my point. Just as well for you I'm not one to gloat.

Dude you said you think it's made out of the wreckage of the tumbler!!! I'm just going by what the rumors are saying, and they're saying that the batpod comes out of the tumbler.

And the engineering I explained for the batpod to come out of the tumbler is very straightforward. You could do it yourself with two rulers, a thumb tack and an elactic band. It's all based on the principles of fulcrums.

It works like a scissors. Not impossible, in fact, very easy.

 

[jtfaria]

Jtfaria, what I've done here is called a juxtaposition... I put one thing you said beside another thing you said to show you that you're not making sense.

You're embarrassing yourself. I said you cannot build a pod into the thing because it takes up space you might need. If a pod is built in, you are forced to carry the thing everywhere whether you need it or not. Not practical. Instead, I said, you would attach it like the bridge the thing was designed to carry - when (and only when) it is needed.

 

[Bright Knight]

That can be very easily explained. City cleaning crew impounds the wreckage, Gorden lets batman retrieve it. God forbid Wayne enterprises somehow acquired the scraps throw some random 3rd party company. You can explain it a thousand ways.

OK... That's a better explanation than batman 72's... But the problem is how would they retrieve it from the impound?? They'd need a big truck and cranes etc!

Also, if they were to rebuild something like the pod... Wouldn't it just make more sense to build it from scratch as opposed to using twisted bits of metal?

 

[Bright Knight]

You're embarrassing yourself. I said you cannot build a pod into the thing because it takes up space you might need. If a pod is built in, you are forced to carry the thing everywhere whether you need it or not. Not practical. Instead, I said, you would attach it like the bridge the thing was designed to carry - when (and only when) it is needed.

Then it wouldn't be so much a bat pod more than a bat trailer?

You're the one that embarrassed yourself! It's there in my post for everyone to see! It's called contradicting yourself, and you did a very good job of it!

 

[TheBatman072]

Also, if they were to rebuild something like the pod... Wouldn't it just make more sense to build it from scratch as opposed to using twisted bits of metal?

Okay. I said that in my last post as one of the other possibilites.