The BATSUIT Thread

[Invader Joker]

The Avengers were funded by a billionaire too, and I didn't see Tony Stark decking Steve Rogers out in bullet proof costumes. Bond is funded by MI6 and he's often sent into very dangerous situations without body armor. The amount of money doesn't matter to me here.

It's simply not that interesting. A guy running around fighting criminals when I know he can't get hurt. Affleck got shot in the head point-blank in BvS and I hated that.

Bruce spent years training to be a ninja. He's a tactician, and a master of stealth. The name of the game is not being seen and not getting hit, and he's the best at it. And if he gets hurt, or has the capacity to get hurt, it adds a sense of stakes and drama to the action sequences. If he's running around virtually bullet-proof then he might as well be Iron Man.

The Captain America suit looks like it could convincingly take a bullet. Plus Steve Rogers is a metahuman with a shield he has at all times. I've advocated many times for a Batman suit that's made of the same material of the Captain America suit. Looks nice, practical and I can believe there might be some sort of armor underneath or that it's made from some special material.

If Batman is just wearing cloth and he gets hurt that'll make him look like an idiot that doesn't utilize the resources he has properly.

 

[Invader Joker]

Him being bullet proof also helps with the mystique of the character in the eyes of criminals. I don't remember in which comic, I think No Man's Land? but a thug shot Batman, the bullet bounced off and they ran away scared as they thought he was literally bulletproof.

 

[Boom]

The Captain America suit looks like it could convincingly take a bullet. Plus Steve Rogers is a metahuman with a shield he has at all times. I've advocated many times for a Batman suit that's made of the same material of the Captain America suit. Looks nice, practical and I can believe there might be some sort of armor underneath or that it's made from some special material.

If Batman is just wearing cloth and he gets hurt that'll make him look like an idiot that doesn't utilize the resources he has properly.

Captain America is shot several times in Winter Soldier and hospitalized because of it. His costume is most definitely not bullet proof.

Everybody gushes over how great the Daredevil fight scenes are, and the stairwell fight scene in Captain America: Civil War. Are those scenes nearly as effective if we knew the heroes were impervious to injury? I don't think so.

 

[Invader Joker]

Eh... no. I watched Winter Soldier quite recently and I don't remember him being hospitalized for taking a bullet. Nick Fury was the one hospitalized. If you're talking about the ending, he was hospitalized because he just survived an helicarrier explosion and crash, not because he was shot.

 

[Boom]

Eh... no. I watched Winter Soldier quite recently and I don't remember him being hospitalized for taking a bullet. Nick Fury was the one hospitalized. If you're talking about the ending, he was hospitalized because he just survived an helicarrier explosion and crash, not because he was shot.

Dude, Winter Soldier shoots him several times at the end.

 

[Invader Joker]

When? I don't remember Bucky even having a gun at the end of the film.

 

[Boom]

When? I don't remember Bucky even having a gun at the end of the film.

Watch it.

 

[Invader Joker]

Well, the point is, Cap has a shield made of Vibranium at all times. If he doesn't have a bulletproof suit, it's because most times he doesn't need it. Batman doesn't have a shield, he needs some kind of protective suit, otherwise he'll look dumb whenever he's hurt,

I like this Elseworlds but the Bruce here in Earth One, the one that refused to wear armor is a grade-A level moron. If he's gonna be the world's greatest detective in this movie and quite an intelligent person, I'd assume he'd be intelligent enough to wear some kind of protection from bullets.

 

[Boom]

*Shrug*

To each his own, man. I guess quite a few of these iconic pop culture heroes are morons then. But that panel from Earth One is precisely what I would like to see out of Batman. I'll agree to disagree.

 

[Invader Joker]

James Bond is at the mercy of whatever the british government gives him. It's not up to him to decide what he's going to work with, it's pretty much up to a bunch of bureaucrats.
Captain America is a metahuman that's able to survive falling down from airplanes at high speed velocities without a parachut and again, he has a shield that doesn't obey the laws of physics.
Daredevil doesn't have any resources whatsoever. He does what he can with what he has, and when he has access to something more protective, he uses it.


Batman is just a human with a bunch of money. What he uses to fight crime is completely up to him, he's one of the few superheroes that can do whatever he wants with the gadgets he uses and suits. And if this were an elseworlds take on Batman more like Earth One maybe him using clothing would be good... but nothing indicates that's the version of Batman Matt Reeves is going for. Earth One Batman was a moron, a well intentioned moron but he essentially was a brute, he was impulsive, he was stubborn, reckless to a fault and he wasn't even a detective. Matt Reeves Batman seems to be going the World's Greatest Detective route, the one that is as skilled in fighting as he is in his intelligence. It doesn't make sense for THAT Batman to do the same choices that Earth One Batman did.

 

[Jekecy]

I don't much consider this an either (bulletproof clad armor) or (minimally designed thin suit).

This argument dates back to the Batman Begins days and plenty of videos were cited even back then showing there was a balance between the two.

To be frank, the magical electric cape is far more of an egregious ask of anyone even remotely familiar with physics, and that got along just fine. Audiences have watched action heroes seemingly avoid bullets without superfluous armor wear, they can deal with a Batman who isn't stringent on it. It takes one scene to explain the mechanics behind his suit protection, that's more than most movies give you. They'll be fine.

 

[Boom]

James Bond is at the mercy of whatever the british government gives him. It's not up to him to decide what he's going to work with, it's pretty much up to a bunch of bureaucrats.
Captain America is a metahuman that's able to survive falling down from airplanes at high speed velocities without a parachut and again, he has a shield that doesn't obey the laws of physics.
Daredevil doesn't have any resources whatsoever. He does what he can with what he has, and when he has access to something more protective, he uses it.


Batman is just a human with a bunch of money. What he uses to fight crime is completely up to him, he's one of the few superheroes that can do whatever he wants with the gadgets he uses and suits. And if this were an elseworlds take on Batman more like Earth One maybe him using clothing would be good... but nothing indicates that's the version of Batman Matt Reeves is going for. Earth One Batman was a moron, a well intentioned moron but he essentially was a brute, he was impulsive, he was stubborn, reckless to a fault and he wasn't even a detective. Matt Reeves Batman seems to be going the World's Greatest Detective route, the one that is as skilled in fighting as he is in his intelligence. It doesn't make sense for THAT Batman to do the same choices that Earth One Batman did.

So MI6 will give Bond any number of gadgets and modified sports cars, but draw the line at a kevlar vest?

 

[Boy Scout]

Captain America is superhuman. Batman isn’t. It makes a lot more sense for Batman to have a lightweight, bulletproof outfit.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yeah, if you wanna have him use something more lightweight with some sci fi explanation of "It's a super thin material that can resist bullets" that's fine... but if you wanna have him use something lightweight that even in universe it's essentially just clothing that leaves him completely vulnerable to be stabbed or shot, well that just doesn't make a lot of sense and any scene in which he gets hurt will make him look dumb. I find it easier to believe in the british government being hypocritical than to believe in the World's Greatest Detective that's also a billionaire not using any protective gear when he's constantly putting himself in the crossfire of criminals.

 

[Enriquespy]

He doesn't need it, he is that good.

And it adds higher stakes!!!

Also it's Batman, he doesn't make sense anyway.

 

[Boom]

You know why James Bond isn't decked out in body armor? Because it's not as cool or "badass" as him running around in nothing but a tuxedo. It's creative license, and it's as simple as that.

That's ultimately the thing that matters most. Just make a costume that looks cool. And if Reeves gives us a cool costume made from a thin fabric, I'm not going to stress myself out over how impractical it looks as a functional piece of body armor. I'll just go with it. That's my overriding point.

 

[Invader Joker]

I don't mind if it looks like it's made of thin fabric... I mind if even in universe it's thin fabric instead of some super sci fi material that's somehow bullet proof. And Batman can look awesome in a bit of armor.

 

[Invader Joker]

The Daredevil suit and Captain America winter soldier suit... combine the materials of that suit and that's an awesome middle ground that'll look cool and satisfy everyone.

 

[Enriquespy]

Or just snug cotton. keep confy.

 

[Boom]

You know what's especially exciting about this? We're back in uncharted waters with the batsuit. We have no idea what aesthetic Reeves is gonna go for.

With Snyder, you always got the sense that we'd get a more faithful-looking suit (though even I was impressed with how far he took it). Now, this feels very similar to the early Nolan days. We are completely in the dark.

 

[Invader Joker]

Well... it was always obvious it was going to be faithful to Miller's version and not any other version.

 

[Jekecy]

You know what's especially exciting about this? We're back in uncharted waters with the batsuit. We have no idea what aesthetic Reeves is gonna go for.

With Snyder, you always got the sense that we'd get a more faithful-looking suit (though even I was impressed with how far he took it). Now, this feels very similar to the early Nolan days. We are completely in the dark.

Probably just wishful thinking, but with all this time Reeves has had in pre-production, I'm hopeful we'll see something truly fresh with the suit. I remember Nolan saying they didn't have a chance to experiment with the suit construction during Batman Begins, which is why it was such a close relative to the previous films.

 

[Boom]

Probably just wishful thinking, but with all this time Reeves has had in pre-production, I'm hopeful we'll see something truly fresh with the suit. I remember Nolan saying they didn't have a chance to experiment with the suit construction during Batman Begins, which is why it was such a close relative to the previous films.

Yeah, and unfortunately when Nolan was able to do something more in line with what he wanted in TDK, it just wasn't a very good design. I hate that suit with a passion, but I give him props for trying something different.

Honestly, I want them to completely revamp the design philosophy behind the batsuit. It's time to really shake up the technology behind it. Just for once, I'd like to see someone take a real crack at a fabric-based suit that has minimal foam latex/rubber components to it. This is especially true for the cowl. Ten movies with sculpted rubber cowls. Time for a change.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm kinda hoping that Mark Hughes is right about the movie not shooting until March 2020 lol It'll give Pattinson more time to work out, Reeves more time to make sure the sets and the batsuit are perfect, more time to fix any problems the script has and also, it'll mean no CGI or at least very small amounts which will make me happy.

 

[Black Narcissus]

You know what's especially exciting about this? We're back in uncharted waters with the batsuit. We have no idea what aesthetic Reeves is gonna go for.

With Snyder, you always got the sense that we'd get a more faithful-looking suit (though even I was impressed with how far he took it). Now, this feels very similar to the early Nolan days. We are completely in the dark.

My only concern with Reeves running the other direction from the Snyder depiction... is him going back into the arms of the all black motorcycle type suit. Eh.

Keep the grey.