The Battlestar Galactica and Caprica Discussion Thread

[Sawyer]

BSG is the orgry, LOST is the cleaning up afterwards

If thats a veiled critisism of LOST, I wont hear it and I wont respond to it. [/Arrested Development]

 

[Maximus One]

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I can say that same thing about the first two seasons of BSG, since I only started halfway through season 3.

Same with me! Plus I now have the last 8 hours of the series on my dvr. Gotta love those all day SyFy (ugh) marathons

 

[Maximus One]

Lost and BSG are the best shows ever imho. Only one that has ever come close to the greatness of them was Carnivale and we all know what happened there. Caprica will be just as great too watch and see.

 

[Superfreak]

That was Alexander Siddig. I guess there is something sorta similar about the two.

I thought so too, they could be brothers

 

[Superfreak]

Alright. I only have the miniseries and enjoyed the hell out of it. Should I drop the dough on the complete series set? And does anyone know if it has all the bonus features and more of the other sets?

yeah, this show is da bomb. The miniseries is good, but it's nothing compared to the actual series. The first episode of the regular series knocks it out of the park, and it just gets better from there. I still gotta pick up S4 and 4.5.

 

[Superfreak]

If thats a veiled critisism of LOST, I wont hear it and I wont respond to it. [/Arrested Development]

Lost and BSG have taken the post 2000 award for redefining TV me says, especially in the sci fi genre. I think they did this by re-embracing the concept that the sci fi in a genre show, is nothing more than the setting, and that it is compelling characters that drive the show. Both Lost and BSG have done this. If they told the same stories, in a non-scifi genre show(with a little adaptation), I think it would be equally as entertaining.


One thing that BSG had over Lost, was that it felt like it was going somewhere from the beginning. The first few seasons of Lost could have turned out like Alias (ie. all the build up, and none of the payoff, otherwise known as a moneymilker). The premise was interesting and attractive, but the pace of the show was nut crunchingly slow. I was very worried about investing my weekly hour and anticipation to Lost. But I was so very happy that Lost finally committed this year, because it was fantastic.

 

[Maximus One]

You ask me Lost commited at the end of Season 3. Thats when everything made the turn for the better if you ask me

 

[Sawyer]

LOST definitely turned itself around by the end of the third season when they announced that the show would end with season six and with their flashforward finale. You could feel that they were really heading places. Which is more than anyone could say for Heroes. And dont even get me started on Smallville. That was really a show that should have had a plan from the beginning, but it's abundantly clear that they had no such plans.

 

[Superfreak]

LOST definitely turned itself around by the end of the third season when they announced that the show would end with season six and with their flashforward finale. You could feel that they were really heading places. Which is more than anyone could say for Heroes. And dont even get me started on Smallville. That was really a show that should have had a plan from the beginning, but it's abundantly clear that they had no such plans.

yeah, smallville. The show had just as much potential as BSG or Lost when it started. But, Lost, as others pointed out, commited to it's long run narrative. Smallville never did that, and now we're at season 9, and the narrative still doesn't know where it's going. Smallville is a perfect example of what Lost could have been had it not kicked in and ante'd up. And visa versa, Lost is a perfect example of what Smallville might have been, had it had someone with some balls in charge of the production. Moreover, SV had so much access to BSG show runners/players, and still nothing rubbed off. I wonder if there were jokes flying around Vancouver F/S between the two crews, ie. the crew that makes gold, bashing the crew that constantly produces feces

 

[Darthkush]

Bought season 4.5 last Tuesday and finished it about 20 minutes ago. Wow, I love this show. I agree with what you guys were saying about Lost and BSG. They really are the two best shows post 2000(and for me both are in my top 10 of all time) because although they have sci-fi trappings, they rely on the strength of the characters, writers, and actors more than most shows do. They don't win as many thing because of their sci-fi elements but I think we'd all agree here that they SHOULD.

Oh, and I also agree about Alias and Smallville. Alias started off great and it seemed to have a plan but I'd say after the third season ended, it became all about pleasing the network and making it more accessible and it just becamse very one note and directionless. I'll never forgive them for how bland they made Arvin Sloane who pre season 3 was slowly becoming one of tv's greatest villains.

Smallville's problem is it just doesn't know when to die. I felt seasons 1 and 2 were fun but 3 and 4(by far the worst season for me) were just treading water. Then we got the phenomenonl seasons 5 and 6 which really should've ended things...then it didn't. Season 7 came and I liked it well enough but again, it should've ended(especially with Lex leaving. How do you let Lex find the fortress...and then keep going????!). 8 was...well, better than the worst Smallville seasons but it reeks of beating a dead horse. The worst part I've heard about 9 is that they still think they can go for 10! That's nuts.

Back to BSG, now that i've finished the show again, that list of my fave episodes I mentioned a few pages back, will finally be ready. Expect that soon and I urge you all to chime in with yours too. In reflection of season 4.5, I think it has a weak middle but not as weak as many claim. What has affectionatly become known as "The Gaeta mutiny/rebellion" to many is easily the strongest part of the season but while the middle is well...middling, it still has stuff going on. Mainly resolving a bunch of dangling plotlines like Boomer and Tyrol's former relationship, the oddly formed triangle of Tigh/Ellen/Six and the...baby, etc. It's not as great as earlier stuff but at this point in the series, we care so much for most of the characters, it feels better than it probably is. And the finale still rocks, I dont' care what anybody says. Other than the kind of flimsy way they handle Starbuck's deal(which after THAT much hoopla and buildup IS poorly handled no matter how you slice it), I think it's perfect. The deaths are touching, the action is awesome and(I wish I had a gif or something of it) but as we all know Galen choking Tory=awesome.

For those who are on the fence about buying the rest of the series, I urge you to do so. Many are divided on the final season with it's focus on the final five but nobody denies the awesomness of the first arc in season 3: the new Caprica occupation. Those episodes are better than most major motion pictures, they're so good.

Finally, my Chief Tyrol action figure is now on it's way to me. Yay!

 

[Flash Facts]

I was just watching the G4's Edward James Olmos interview where he mentioned more Battlestar movies and it made me think are there really that many more stories to tell during that period and do fans really want them to keep making movies? The plan seems like it will fit in very well with the rest of the series but if they just keep making movies they could end up feeling really out of place and like the are obviously just milking the franchise.

 

[Superfreak]

I was just watching the G4's Edward James Olmos interview where he mentioned more Battlestar movies and it made me think are there really that many more stories to tell during that period and do fans really want them to keep making movies? The plan seems like it will fit in very well with the rest of the series but if they just keep making movies they could end up feeling really out of place and like the are obviously just milking the franchise.

they could occur anywhere withinthe timeline though, like razor, so movies are welcome.

I'd love to see what happened to bulldog in one of these movies.

 

[BlackLantern]

id like to see maybe something from when Adama first took command of Galactica

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I imagine that would be pretty boring.

Adama became a Battlestar commander during peace time so that scratches out any Cylon encounters all together.

 

[Superfreak]

there's a huge gap in the New Caprica narrative which could easily fit a movie. Hell they could do a whole series about the extremely undermanned fleet that abandoned NC. There's certainly enough time between the initial flash forward on NC, as well as the gap between the ending of season 2 and the opening shots of season 3. Lots of time for a movie narrative to fit in there.

 

[Speedball]

I've had an idea for a comic series that take place in our time.
An Archaeologist finds Adama's Raptor in a temple in Africa, activates it, and he and his crew are sent to the last place it jumped to, which is the Cylon Colony.

 

[Sawyer]

I've had an idea for a comic series that take place in our time.
An Archaeologist finds Adama's Raptor in a temple in Africa, activates it, and he and his crew are sent to the last place it jumped to, which is the Cylon Colony.

That would be pretty ****in' crazy.

I'm not sure of everything that The Plan will cover, but I'd like to see a movie about the lives of the final five on the original Earth.

 

[Maximus One]

Yea a movie about the last days of the final five would be awesome. Also Id love to see the events that lead up to Cavil erasing there memories and planting them all on Caprica

 

[Sawyer]

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-The-Plan/12446

Awesome cover art!

 

[Speedball]

That would be pretty ****in' crazy.

I'm not sure of everything that The Plan will cover, but I'd like to see a movie about the lives of the final five on the original Earth.

Well... they go from the colony, where they find the remaining Cylons, who are Centurions, and are followed to New Caprica. The Raptor has every coordinate it's ever jumped to logged. They go all the way to Caprica, where they find survivors of the holocaust roaming a Fallout style landscape.
Eventually they get back to Earth, and the Cylons follow. The end of the comic series ends with a huge war going on between the Cylons and Earth.

 

[BlackLantern]

and I could see myself not reading that....at all...ever...and there is a 'Fallout style' thing out there already...its called Fallout 3

 

[Speedball]

and I could see myself not reading that....at all...ever...and there is a 'Fallout style' thing out there already...its called Fallout 3

harsh much?
It's Nuclear Winter Caprica. What else is it going to look like? There had to be survivors. I'm not saying there are going to be super-mutants and all that stuff, but the general look of the landscape would be that.
I mean, sure, stuff has to be fleshed out and stuff. It's an idea in progress...

 

[Superfreak]

Yea a movie about the last days of the final five would be awesome. Also Id love to see the events that lead up to Cavil erasing there memories and planting them all on Caprica

that's what the plan is about

 

[Superfreak]

harsh much?
It's Nuclear Winter Caprica. What else is it going to look like? There had to be survivors. I'm not saying there are going to be super-mutants and all that stuff, but the general look of the landscape would be that.
I mean, sure, stuff has to be fleshed out and stuff. It's an idea in progress...

nah, if a present day BSG was to be explored, I'd set it about 100 years in the future, some space exploration around the sun... and low and behold, Anders is still floating around up there. If BSG was the Odyssey, then this present day concept would be the Illiad.

 

[Maximus One]

that's what the plan is about

Is it? I thought it was just going to be showing like the Cylons pov before the fall of Caprica and afterwards. I didnt know they were gonna do anything with the final 5 in it. Thats absolutely badass!!!! This dude on ebay is pissing me off been 3 weeks and still aint got my 2.0. If I dont see it before I gotta report next monday to county (only 13 days though) Ima be pissed!