Ant-Man The best way that Marvel can fix this

[KangConquers]

Oh, geez. Fans will have a meltdown. Vernon Van Dyne creates Pym particles, becomes a secret superhero in the 60s, retires, and later a down and out highly unscientific Hank Pym comes and steals Van Dyne's work so he can save his daughter (Hankette?) ? Then together, Vernon Van Dyne, the original Ant-Man teams up with Hank Pym, Ant-Man II, to take out the bad guys. This is a 'solution' a more faithful take? Wowza.

Wowza.

Lol true. But unless you delay this film for two years to completely gut the script, there's no other way to correct the "Pym/ Lang" fiasco, and have Pym as Ant-Man in future Avengers films.

 

[The Question]

Lol true. But unless you delay this film for two years to completely gut the script, there's no other way to correct the "Pym/ Lang" fiasco, and have Pym as Ant-Man in future Avengers films.

The "Pym/Lang" fiasco isn't a fiasco, and it's now what's wrong with the film's production.

I also thing that by all reasonable standards, producing a quality film that comes out when they said it would is a lot more important than making sure that Hank Pym is in The Avengers.

 

[Mysteryman]

As Long as the character survives the movie ,
Douglas could show up in future Avenger films .
He is a legacy character, it could still work .

 

[Loki882]

People are just assuming that Douglas would agree to such a change, which isn't at all clear. "Hey Mr. Douglas, we know that you signed up for this one important role, but now we want to change things at the last minute and for you to play this other guy because we and the director had disagreements." That's not fair to Douglas and he might very well refuse. And they're not going to fire him because, he's Michael Douglas. It was a casting coup to get him in the first place.

 

[KangConquers]

The "Pym/Lang" fiasco isn't a fiasco, and it's now what's wrong with the film's production.

I also thing that by all reasonable standards, producing a quality film that comes out when they said it would is a lot more important than making sure that Hank Pym is in The Avengers.

I agree, but the O.P. seems to indicate he wants to fix the liberties Wright took with the material.

 

[The Question]

11th hour replacements of directors coupled with 11th hour script rewrites almost never end well. Unless some kind of miracle occurs, the only way Marvel can fix this is if Feige recreates the "Say Anything" boon box scene outside of Wright's house.

 

[DocHoliday]

Well if Patrick Wilson is playing Pym in the past simply move up to present and omit Douglas. His flashback scenes could be a couple years ago instead of decades ago. Don't make the love interest for Lang, Wasp. Pretty simple.

 

[The Question]

Well if Patrick Wilson is playing Pym in the past simply move up to present and omit Douglas. His flashback scenes could be a couple years ago instead of decades ago. Don't make the love interest for Lang, Wasp. Pretty simple.

Yes, firing an academy award winning and universally beloved actor who you've already signed a contract with is pretty simple.

 

[Mysteryman]

The only way Michael Douglas leaves this project is if Marvel cancels it .

 

[DocHoliday]

Yes, firing an academy award winning and universally beloved actor who you've already signed a contract with is pretty simple.

Stuff like this has happened before and the film wasn't catastrophic lol. Look at Tombstone. If Marvel wants a young Pym that is the easy solution. I like Michael Douglas and I don't mind Old Pym but I'm just saying. Some people say it's too late when it really isn't at all.

 

[The Question]

Stuff like this has happened before and the film wasn't catastrophic lol. Look at Tombstone. If Marvel wants a young Pym that is the easy solution. I like Michael Douglas and I don't mind Old Pym but I'm just saying. Some people say it's too late when it really isn't at all.

That's not how contracts and public relations work, though. There's nothing easy about firing an actor you've already signed a contract with when they haven't done anything that breaches that contract, especially when they're a critically acclaimed household name and you've already recently made the papers for parting ways with the director and primary creative voice behind the project. A process like that requires lawyers, is more than a little expensive, and will further damage any confidence the public has in your property. These are not good things where making money is concerned.

 

[DocHoliday]

That's not how contracts and public relations work, though. There's nothing easy about firing an actor you've already signed a contract with when they haven't done anything that breaches that contract, especially when they're a critically acclaimed household name and you've already recently made the papers for parting ways with the director and primary creative voice behind the project. A process like that requires lawyers, is more than a little expensive, and will further damage any confidence the public has in your property. These are not good things where making money is concerned.

Oh no. they can't get out of the contract. In the scenario I was speaking of Douglas gets paid just like Benecio Del Toro got paid for American Gangster as did MArlan Wayans fro Batman Returns. I don't see them ditching Douglas (nor should they IMO) I'm just saying if the point of contention was Antman being old (which I doubt it was).

 

[The Question]

Oh no. they can't get out of the contract. In the scenario I was speaking of Douglas gets paid just like Benecio Del Toro got paid for American Gangster as did MArlan Wayans fro Batman Returns. I don't see them ditching Douglas (nor should they IMO) I'm just saying if the point of contention was Antman being old (which I doubt it was).

It almost certainly was not, that's true. Fanboys are applying fanboy logic to movie studio executives. Movie studio executive logic is much more toxic and frustrating than fanboy logic.

 

[Mysteryman]

Think of it this way,
Do you believe interest in TWS would have dropped if Robert Redford had been FIRED?
It would have been a different movie without him.

 

[DocHoliday]

Think of it this way,
Do you believe interest in TWS would have dropped if Robert Redford had been FIRED?
It would have been a different movie without him.

Not really, to be honest. Not in the mind of the general audience. I do agree it'd be a lesser film but not that it'd have been any less financially successful.

 

[Mysteryman]

Well, I highly doubt Wright leaving had anything to do with Michael Douglas .
Marvel will either cancel the project ,
Or, hire a new director and work off the current version of the script .
My money is on the second option.

 

[DocHoliday]

Well, I highly doubt Wright leaving had anything to do with Michael Douglas .
Marvel will either cancel the project ,
Or, hire a new director and work off the current version of the script .
My money is on the second option.

Agreed.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well if Patrick Wilson is playing Pym in the past simply move up to present and omit Douglas. His flashback scenes could be a couple years ago instead of decades ago. Don't make the love interest for Lang, Wasp. Pretty simple.

I honestly don't see the point of flashback scenes at all if that's the case. I was thinking 1960s Cold War hero Hank Pym, not early 2000s random guy Hank Pym. To me, that helped set the movie apart.

 

[DocHoliday]

I honestly don't see the point of flashback scenes at all if that's the case. I was thinking 1960s Cold War hero Hank Pym, not early 2000s random guy Hank Pym. To me, that helped set the movie apart.

Again well he'd be retired for the same reason he was in the cartoon, because he abhors violence or something to that degree. Again I do not think this'll happen. With the character being as obscure as Antman is, I'm sure they'll opt for keeping the Michael Douglas star power. I would.

 

[Kanon]

Where are we getting the idea that the current rewrite is a terrible abomination? The same source that is giving us the "Wright left because of his integrity, evil Disney is meddling"?

 

[HarryOsborn]

First Class had a lot of problems as a film, I wouldn't put that up as a good example.

It's got an 87 on rt, it's rated by john campea and watch mojo as the best prequel of all time, and it's argued to be the best film of the x-men franchise. Maybe you didn't like it but its not like you can say it was recieved poorly.

 

[The Question]

It's got an 87 on rt, it's rated by john campea and watch mojo as the best prequel of all time, and it's argued to be the best film of the x-men franchise. Maybe you didn't like it but its not like you can say it was recieved poorly.

I didn't say it was received poorly, I just said it wasn't very good.

 

[Dasher10]

11th hour replacements of directors coupled with 11th hour script rewrites almost never end well. Unless some kind of miracle occurs, the only way Marvel can fix this is if Feige recreates the "Say Anything" boon box scene outside of Wright's house.

Hence why I say a delay. Michael Douglass can stay around, he'd just be playing somebody else. Look at what happened to Fast 7 at Universal. There is nothing wrong with a delay. Imagine if Universal still kept shooting that just because they wanted to make the release date?

 

[The Question]

Hence why I say a delay. Michael Douglass can stay around, he'd just be playing somebody else. Look at what happened to Fast 7 at Universal. There is nothing wrong with a delay. Imagine if Universal still kept shooting that just because they wanted to make the release date?

There's no reason to change who Michael Douglas is playing.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Where are we getting the idea that the current rewrite is a terrible abomination? The same source that is giving us the "Wright left because of his integrity, evil Disney is meddling"?

The fear is it's lost the "something special" from having an Edgar Wright movie and that the quality has therefore dropped because of it.

Who knows, really.