Infinity War The Black Order

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Vision is shown screaming and looking helpless when PM and CG tried to retrieve his stone in the first trailer
It doesn't look anything but a heavy beating from Black Order
Sure we couldn't see their faces but they still had their own weapons at that point,and just seconds later,they got weapons stolen and attacked by it as well

I blame the silly plot of Cap easily catching PM's spear in the first trailer,that just made an easy good excuse for Team Cap using their weapons against themselves

If Wanda was all that powerful,she could have easily helped Vision at that point,sources said they were struggling hard against PM and CG before Team Cap just arrived in time to save them

Tired? Maybe but they sure should not be just easily get kicked around with the strength from normal humans
With the exception of CO,the rest of BO should all be more and less around Gamora and Nebula in terms of strength,if not more powerful
And BO is supposed to be strongest henchmen/generals of Thanos,highly powerful and well trained fighters with superhuman strength and strong weapons

Like above said,Gamora would have easily overpowered both Falcon and Black Widow in a fight,tired or not,skilled or not

And here we see Black Widow has enough strength to land a hard kick on CG and penetrate CG's body/armor with his own weapon


Remember when people here defended Ultron's weak showings in AOU by saying well,Vision has an infinity stone,that could do some serious damage to his Vibranium form,or went toe to toe with Ultron earlier

Vision is fully grown,healthy and has more experiences with fighting and using/controlling mind stone with Wanda closely next to him,lost to 2 henchmen in a fight with range advantages but the same henchmen lost to 3 of weakest Avengers seconds later because of PIS

Not to mention both Vision and Wanda have ranged attack advantages in their fighting style compared to Team Cap besides Falcon with his mini guns which should do nothing to any of BO members tbh

This is Marvel being very inconsistent in the power of their heroes and villains

Yep this is wayyyyyy beyond IM holding his own against Thor and I say that even as a Thor fan.



Sure is, it's time to be real and call a spade a spade.

Widow is definitely not as durable as Steve in the films.

Really, any Black Order member should straight up no sell a shot from Widow or Falcon. Sam should've just bounced off Proxima there.

All of these posts are spot on. Tired or not Corvus Glaive, Thanos’ general, should be put down by Cap Andy a couple of humans. Let alone with his wife Proxima midnight next to him, who is, is should be, just as powerful.

This is some serious nerfing by Marvel.

 

[RoastBeast]

Steve walks off huge falls and explosions. Widow doesn't. Iirc Widow was unconscious when they got bombed in TWS, Steve was fine.

She walks off plenty of huge falls and explosions. As for TWS scene- he had that shield on his head, who knows what hit she took that he didn't.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Look at the Widow vs Bucky fights from TWS and CW and she did t last very long either time against a truly enhanced human.

Widow is clearly human. A very skilled human no doubt, but still human.

 

[WitcherGeralt]

I still think they will redeem Couvous and Proxima in the battle of Wakanda, as they slaughter the Avengers and Wakandans. Ebony Maw has already proven his ability when he defeated Strange, and uh what is the black Hulk-like dude name again? He may have a big fight with the real Hulk at Wakanda.

 

[RoastBeast]

Look at the Widow vs Bucky fights from TWS and CW and she did t last very long either time against a truly enhanced human.

Widow is clearly human. A very skilled human no doubt, but still human.

Did you see that hit she took into the car and bounces back throwing those zappers without a flinch? I don't know what kind of women you guys hang out with, but RB wouldn't be sashaying anywhere but the morgue after just one of the big hits she took in that fight. Unless they say she's not, she's enhanced, there's no way she's normal. Hawkeye, yes. Falcon, yes. Not her.

But where the Black Order issue will be clear for me is if they [BLACKOUT]overpower and kill Loki [/BLACKOUT]and then couldn't take Black Widow and Captain America, because he owned them in Avengers.

 

[ctsketch]

Did you see that hit she took into the car and bounces back throwing those zappers without a flinch? I don't know what kind of women you guys hang out with, but RB wouldn't be sashaying anywhere but the morgue after just one of the big hits she took in that fight. Unless they say she's not, she's enhanced, there's no way she's normal. Hawkeye, yes. Falcon, yes. Not her.

But where the Black Order issue will be clear for me is if they [BLACKOUT]overpower and kill Loki [/BLACKOUT]and then couldn't take Black Widow and Captain America, because he owned them in Avengers.

and I wiped out from a 30 foot snowboard jump and got up and kept snowboarding like nothing happened. its called training. its a normal human thing with a lot of training. But taking an explosion or some of the **** steve has tanked...that is way above human

 

[marvellover]

I still think they will redeem Couvous and Proxima in the battle of Wakanda, as they slaughter the Avengers and Wakandans. Ebony Maw has already proven his ability when he defeated Strange, and uh what is the black Hulk-like dude name again? He may have a big fight with the real Hulk at Wakanda.

Cull Obsidian

I hope he will beat the crap out of Hulk,Thor and the rest of top Avengers when they meet each other
That would do some good justice to BO after the serious nerfing on CG and PM

I want a fight much like Abomination vs Hulk / Kurse vs Thor but the heroes will get heavy beating until they find a way to put him down together

 

[RoastBeast]

and I wiped out from a 30 foot snowboard jump and got up and kept snowboarding like nothing happened. its called training. its a normal human thing with a lot of training. But taking an explosion or some of the **** steve has tanked...that is way above human

Look, I'm not going to compare feats of strength from real life here. But I sure hope no one watched a "conditioned" woman fall down a flight of stairs in real life and says, eh, the Black Widow could handle that, let her walk it off, lol. Because just: no, she's not average, even for the most "conditioned" human woman.

 

[Iceman]

Let's just call a spade a spade. They retconned the line. Just like they ultimately had to retcon the epilogue with Tony Stark for Incredible Hulk, which basically implied we are putting a team of Avengers together and can take care of The Hulk. And they had to make a whole short film to explain away that issue.

Also, don't get me started on Civil War and Homecoming happening EIGHT YEARS after The Battle of NY.

The other stuff sure, but at the time of that clip and since I never thought Thanos meant he would be doing anything alone, just that he would take charge of the operation himself rather than delegating the task to a sub-villain like Loki or Ronan to lead.

 

[ernesth100]

I wonder if Loki knew about the Order prior to this film? I'd love to see some of their past conquests as Thanos's herald's. I'd also wonder if Gamora and Nebula trained with them prior to escaping Thanos's grip. Because if so I'd love to know where the Order would rank on the power tier list.

 

[marvellover]

I wonder if Loki knew about the Order prior to this film? I'd love to see some of their past conquests as Thanos's herald's. I'd also wonder if Gamora and Nebula trained with them prior to escaping Thanos's grip. Because if so I'd love to know where the Order would rank on the power tier list.

I would love to see their childhood of all of BO + Gamora and Nebula together,trained by Thanos,with Proxima being the strongest but Gamora is just closely behind her

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I think one of the biggest missed opportunities is not having Giant-Man and Supergiant go to toe to, wrecking ****.

 

[Abudefduf]

Despite what her name would lead one to believe, Supergiant can't actually change size... she has mind control abilities if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I know, it's kind of confusing.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Despite what her name would lead one to believe, Supergiant can't actually change size... she has mind control abilities if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I know, it's kind of confusing.

In the Guardians of the Galaxy animated series she can. I guess the writers of the show went "**** it, she already has a name that goes with that power".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhdGB_PMuic

 

[ohiostate124]

My head canon, atleast until I see the movie, is that they are just suprised at how capable these earthlings are. They underestimated them and took an L early and then we see a better showing from them later.

 

[shadowboxxx]

Did you see that hit she took into the car and bounces back throwing those zappers without a flinch? I don't know what kind of women you guys hang out with, but RB wouldn't be sashaying anywhere but the morgue after just one of the big hits she took in that fight. Unless they say she's not, she's enhanced, there's no way she's normal. Hawkeye, yes. Falcon, yes. Not her.

But where the Black Order issue will be clear for me is if they [BLACKOUT]overpower and kill Loki [/BLACKOUT]and then couldn't take Black Widow and Captain America, because he owned them in Avengers.

BW is not enhanced.

You cant make stuff up in your own mind and decide that it is so unless they say its not.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

My head canon, atleast until I see the movie, is that they are just suprised at how capable these earthlings are. They underestimated them and took an L early and then we see a better showing from them later.

I'm with you. If they bite it then and there in that subway....

 

[LonghornNation]

I’m sorry, but Corvus Glaive looks awful. So does Proxima. They look two unrealistic and unpolished. Did all the budget go to Thanos and Ebony Maw, because they look pretty damn good. It’s extremely difficult for me to take fights seriously when a character looks like an obvious VFX figure. That’s why I completely tuned out watching the final Killmonger/Black Panther fight.

Super disappointed.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

BW is not enhanced.

You cant make stuff up in your own mind and decide that it is so unless they say its not.

Yeah, Natasha's not enhanced. I suppose that she could be considered something of a natural peak human à la DC's Bruce Wayne, though, given her specialized training from adolescence and unorthodox depiction (for a human female) on-screen.

 

[RoastBeast]

BW is not enhanced.

You cant make stuff up in your own mind and decide that it is so unless they say its not.

From my point of view, others are making up that she is not in their heads. She was enhanced in 616, and its's never been stated she was not here, so there it is until canon says she's not.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You literally just have to watch the movies to see she is not enhanced. If she was they would have stated it. Hence why when she does go up against actual enhanced people she doesn’t fare too well.

 

[RoastBeast]

You literally just have to watch the movies to see she is not enhanced. If she was they would have stated it. Hence why when she does go up against actual enhanced people she doesn’t fare too well.

This is why I'm like- have we watched different movies? Because she'd be dead 20 times over if she wasn't enhanced, "conditioning" be damned. (oh, and in case you're wondering- yeah, I've seen the movies. A lot)

 

[Hurm...]

I’m sorry, but Corvus Glaive looks awful. So does Proxima. They look two unrealistic and unpolished. Did all the budget go to Thanos and Ebony Maw, because they look pretty damn good. It’s extremely difficult for me to take fights seriously when a character looks like an obvious VFX figure. That’s why I completely tuned out watching the final Killmonger/Black Panther fight.

Super disappointed.

I don't think it looks quite as bad as the Killmonger/Black Panther fight, but I agree that s*** CGI take you out of the moment completely.

The BP/KM fight, as well as the sunset scene, looked visually terrible. It looked like CGI from ten years ago.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

@Roastbeast My friend there is a reason you are the only one in this thread saying she is enhanced.

She clearly isn’t.

 

[RoastBeast]

@Roastbeast My friend there is a reason you are the only one in this thread saying she is enhanced.

She clearly isn’t.

I've just polled everyone in RL I know who could be reached, and the consensus outside of here is that of course she's genetically engineered or something ... I just thought there was some quote or canon something I missed since you were all so sure, but no one has anything. I'm pretty mystified, because it is equally obvious in RB-world that she is.

If she's not, it's ridiculous that she could fight the BO or pretty much anyone else she's survived, so I kind of agree with you all if she's not.