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Friday, Mar 27, 2009 16:19 ET Dick Cheney was right

Deficits don't matter -- and Republicans who are complaining about Barack Obama's spending are hypocrites.

By Joe Conason

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Dick Cheney once observed that "deficits don't matter," which may well have been the most honest phrase he ever uttered. His words were at least partly true, which is more than can be said for the great majority of the vice president's remarks -- and they certainly expressed the candid attitude of Republicans whenever they attain power. His pithy fiscal slogan should remind us that much of the current political furor over deficit spending in the Obama budget is wrong, hypocritical, and worthy of the deepest skepticism.
In our time, the Republican Party has compiled an impressive history of talking about fiscal responsibility while running up unrivaled deficits and debt. Of the roughly $11 trillion in federal debt accumulated to date, more than 90 percent can be attributed to the tenure of three presidents: Ronald Reagan, who used to complain constantly about runaway spending; George Herbert Walker Bush, reputed to be one of those old-fashioned green-eyeshade Republicans; and his spendthrift son George "Dubya" Bush, whose trillion-dollar war and irresponsible tax cuts accounted for nearly half the entire burden. Only Bill Clinton temporarily reversed the trend with surpluses and started to pay down the debt (by raising rates on the wealthiest taxpayers).
Republicans in Congress likewise demanded balanced budgets in their propaganda (as featured in the 1993 Contract with America), but then proceeded to despoil the Treasury with useless spending and tax cuts for those who needed them least. Even John McCain, once a principled critic of those tax cuts, turned hypocrite when he endorsed them while continuing to denounce the deficits they had caused.
But was Cheney wrong when he airily dismissed the importance of deficits? In the full quotation, as first recounted by Paul O'Neill, Bush's fired Treasury Secretary, he said, "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter. We won the [Congressional] midterms [in November 2002]. This is our due." What he evidently meant -- aside from claiming the spoils -- was that the effects of deficit spending tend to be less dire than predicted. And that insight deserves to be considered if only because all the partisan barking over the projected deficits in the Obama budget is so hysterical -- as if nothing could be worse than more federal spending.
Such is the institutional bias of the Washington press corps, which habitually refers to deficits "exploding" and to the nation "engulfed in red ink," and so on. But in fact the United States has recovered from considerably deeper indebtedness than that now on the horizon. Besides, as history warns, there are things much worse than deficits and debt. One such thing was the Great Depression, prolonged when Franklin Roosevelt decided to curb the deficits that had revived the economy, and ended only when he raised spending even higher in wartime. Another was worldwide fascist domination, a threat defeated by expanding America's public debt to unprecedented levels during World War II. No sane person cared then that public debt had risen well above gross domestic product.
Those scary charts and graphs often deployed to illustrate our parlous state of indebtedness rarely date back as far as the Forties and Fifties -- and the reason is simple. The massive deficits incurred during the war didn't matter, as Cheney might say, because the wartime national investments in industry, technology and science undergirded a postwar boom that lasted for nearly three decades, creating the largest and most prosperous middle class in human history.
The average annual growth rate remained close to four percent for that entire period -- and over time the combination of constant growth and smaller deficits reduced the ratio of debt to a fraction of its postwar dimension. What mattered more than the size of the deficits was whether they were spent on things that enabled consistent growth.
Today, President Obama is more troubled by the enormous threats to the nation's future than by deficits, even if they are projected in trillions of dollars. Clearly he believes that there are still some things worse than debt.
One such thing would be a global depression that drags on for several years. Another would be the catastrophic consequences of unchecked climate change, potentially more devastating than a world war; deteriorating public schools that will undermine democracy and demote us to secondary status; and a national health system that costs too much, provides too little care, and burdens enterprise. By investing now, he hopes to prevent disaster and create the conditions for sustainable expansion.
Not all of the warnings about deficit spending are false. Wasteful federal spending can eventually lead to inflation; excessive deficits can cause interest rates to rise, although that doesn't always occur. But as Clinton proved in confronting the huge legacy of debt left over from the Reagan era, it is possible to raise taxes and slow spending without damage to the broader economy.
As for the Republicans, it is difficult to listen to their doomsaying predictions without laughing. They want us to worry about the evils of deficit spending when they obviously don't worry about that at all. Just yesterday, the House Republican leadership distributed what they called an alternative budget. Missing from that thin sheaf of papers was any attempt to estimate what their plan would cost and how much it would increase the deficit. Their ironic ignorance of history was illustrated by their single concrete proposal. They insist that we must cut the maximum tax rate from 36 percent to 25 percent – or the same as the top rate in 1929, on the eve of the Great Depression.
 
Poll of Scholars Rank Bush 5th Worst President, Obama 15th Best
http://politics.usnews.com/news/art...ama-15th-best-president-bush-among-worst.html

I dunno. I cant say I'm willing to accept a verdict on Obama just yet. He's only been in office for a year and a half. We'll see when/if he gets re-elected.

I don't agree about Obama being the 15th Best but I do agree about Bush being the 5th Worst. I'm pretty certain Obama will not get re-elected in 2012. Judging by how angry people are, I think a Republican will win (just as long as it's not Palin).
 
I read that George W. Bush will give his first one-on-one interview (since he left office) with Matt Lauer sometime in November.
 
Should be interesting....


I wonder if Matt will try to get him to "dog on" Obama....?
 
Yep, that was one thing he could do very well....lol
 
I don't agree about Obama being the 15th Best but I do agree about Bush being the 5th Worst. I'm pretty certain Obama will not get re-elected in 2012. Judging by how angry people are, I think a Republican will win (just as long as it's not Palin).

Alot can happen in these next two years, and I'm not going to predict whether Obama will get re-elected or not. Much depends on how well the country will be doing, and how good a job the voters think he has done.
 
Tomorrow will give some clue, but it is not the tell all...
 
I'm sure whatever the fallout turnout turns out to be...both sides will be trumpeting themselves and the 'great american public' all the while completely misunderstanding what the vote really meant.

Do I sound a bit cynical?
 
Cynical? yes, but I believe you will be proven right.
 
Perception is people's truth no matter how we try and change it.
 
Apparently, W Bush is going to appear on 'Oprah' tuesday for a full show interview.
 
President W Bush will be appearing in a primetime interview tomorrow night at 8pm with Matt Lauer.
 
Yep he is.....


Which is weird to me, considering her audience is no more apt to buy his book than The Views audience....but to each his own I guess.
 
Y'know, I love the approach Bush has taken with his memoirs. In the digital age, it is easy to find a president's history and background, but to write about what was going through his mind in each major decision is a fascinating perspective to take. Especially since he is being so candid about it, when his presidency was anything but. I look forward to reading it.

I'll also give Bush some credit for his post-presidency. His presidency was atrocious, but his post-presidency so far has been very good. His visit to Fort Hood (without the press) especially, was amazing. As was his visit to Haiti and his refusal to openly criticize Obama. Mediocre presidents usually make the best post-presidents, and hopefully Bush can carve himself out a good legacy in that regard, and hopefully once he becomes old and irrelevant he does not destroy said legacy by screaming for attention like another former president.
 
Y'know, I love the approach Bush has taken with his memoirs. In the digital age, it is easy to find a president's history and background, but to write about what was going through his mind in each major decision is a fascinating perspective to take. Especially since he is being so candid about it, when his presidency was anything but. I look forward to reading it.

I'll also give Bush some credit for his post-presidency. His presidency was atrocious, but his post-presidency so far has been very good. His visit to Fort Hood (without the press) especially, was amazing. As was his visit to Haiti and his refusal to openly criticize Obama. Mediocre presidents usually make the best post-presidents, and hopefully Bush can carve himself out a good legacy in that regard, and hopefully once he becomes old and irrelevant he does not destroy said legacy by screaming for attention like another former president.


As his mother would say, he learned much from his father. When GW said he would take points from his father's post-presidency, I knew he would respectful of the sitting president.

I don't necessarily fault Clinton for his comments.....he was used to a huge degree in the 2010 mid-terms campaigns.....and I can certainly understand why (I hope that Obama learns from his Presidency).....so it would be very hard to campaign and not talk about the prior President....but as far as Carter, what respect I had for him, is now gone for good. I will still work for his charities, but I will not give him my respect for anything else.
 
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Carter has become an obnoxious old man desperate for attention and relevance.

Clinton's post-presidency has not been bad. I personally think the best place for Clinton however, would be as a diplomat, maybe to the UN. Clinton has always been great with foreign relations. I think he could do a lot of good in a diplomatic position.
 
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