BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[gdw]

I have not seen UC yet however i hear mostly good things.

However-what is Snyder thinking. He's making these things. He knows the studio is NOT going to put a 3 hour movie in the theatre.

Making a movie that is only'intelligible' in it's 3 hour form is the director's fault.

Um, because that was what the studio signed off on int he first place. That's what they were moving towards from the start, and only at the 11th hour did WB panic and force the re-cut.

That said, I still think they could have made a solid 2.5-2.75 hour version, but instead they produced the butchered TC version.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I have not seen UC yet however i hear mostly good things.

However-what is Snyder thinking. He's making these things. He knows the studio is NOT going to put a 3 hour movie in the theatre.

Making a movie that is only'intelligible' in it's 3 hour form is the director's fault.

Oh great, this logic again... He made a 3 hour movie, because WB TOLD HIM HE COULD, the real movie almost did get released in theatres, he would not have made the film three hours if WB had told him they weren't ok with it, and had given him fair warning, it's not his fault that WB got cold feet at the last second and did something stupid.

 

[tanita_mors]

i think this version could have been in theaters and it makes much more narrative and structural sense. the biggest problem i had with the movie was terrible editing and i saw non if it here. yes, the movie still has some other issues, but seeing it like this makes a much better impression. i mean, the LOTR movies were 3/3.5 hours long in their theatrical run and they did fine.

 

[DeadStroke]

Oh great, this logic again... He made a 3 hour movie, because WB TOLD HIM HE COULD, the real movie almost did get released in theatres, he would not have made the film three hours if WB had told him they weren't ok with it, and had given him fair warning, it's not his fault that WB got cold feet at the last second and did something stupid.

When you factor having to establish Batman, Lex and Wonder Woman it makes sense for this to be a 3 hr movie.

If WB wasn't sure they were going to commit to that then it should have just been MOS 2 and then make a Batman film as well.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Dat Flashpoint scene. Flash costume and effects... So beautiful.

 

[tanita_mors]

i will never get over the fact that superman should have held the ww lasso and she could have killed doomsday with the spear and all could have lived. unless no one else but her can touch the lasso. i'm not really familiar with ww lore.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Um, because that was what the studio signed off on int he first place. That's what they were moving towards from the start, and only at the 11th hour did WB panic and force the re-cut.

That said, I still think they could have made a solid 2.5-2.75 hour version, but instead they produced the butchered TC version.

Considering WB didn't give them even close to enough time to properly edit the movie down, I still place that blame in their court, going off what was cut, it also seems likely that the TC involved some micromanagement from some idiot at WB, that so much of the cut material involved Clark Kent scenes is odd to say the least.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

If it makes any difference to the skeptics who are wary of seeing this cut, I HATED the theatrical release but LOVED this cut.

I actually left the forums because I was so angry about the film. I felt betrayed.

But this cut feels like a veritable epic. I actually shed a few tears watching it. It's not the greatest film ever, but it's certainly one of my favorite comicbook movies now.

 

[kguillou]

If it makes any difference to the skeptics who are wary of seeing this cut, I HATED the theatrical release but LOVED this cut.

I actually left the forums because I was so angry about the film. I felt betrayed.

But this cut feels like a veritable epic. I actually shed a few tears watching it. It's not the greatest film ever, but it's certainly one of my favorite comicbook movies now.

Awesome to hear dude and welcome back

It seems like the UC of this is making the general vibe around BvS much better than it was 3 months ago.

 

[tanita_mors]

i can't believe i'm writing this, but given the fact that this is an R rated cut, i'm oddly bothered by the fact that doomsday has no genitals. i mean he evolves from zod's body, i would assume that kriptonians have genitals even though they don't reproduce naturally otherwise lois and clark have a very interesting sex life.

 

[obredaan]

Oh great, this logic again... He made a 3 hour movie, because WB TOLD HIM HE COULD, the real movie almost did get released in theatres, he would not have made the film three hours if WB had told him they weren't ok with it, and had given him fair warning, it's not his fault that WB got cold feet at the last second and did something stupid.

The only reason WB got cold feet was due to the negative reception the film received during early screenings. Had Snyder delivered a movie that got a resounding positive reaction at the screenings than the 3 hour cut is what would've been released. Can you really blame WB for taking this kind of action after they invested over $400 million in this movie? They were likely hopeful that cutting it down would improve the pacing and story. Snyder is still the one who cut the film together thus his choices of what was cut should be criticized just as much as WB getting cold feet.

 

[Greens]

Just got done watching the Ultimate Cut.

While some narrative decisions are still kind of stupid, the cut does fix a lot of problems. The editing is less choppy, character motivations make more sense. The added blood is a nice extra during some of the action scenes. Good job.

 

[_Superman_]

The only reason WB got cold feet was due to the negative reception the film received during early screenings. Had Snyder delivered a movie that got a resounding positive reaction at the screenings than the 3 hour cut is what would've been released. Can you really blame WB for taking this kind of action after they invested over $400 million in this movie? They were likely hopeful that cutting it down would improve the pacing and story. Snyder is still the one who cut the film together thus his choices of what was cut should be criticized just as much as WB getting cold feet.

No the movie was cut down because the WB wanted more Batman than Superman. Plus they didn't want an R rated movie. Rally looking at the movie all the stuff cut was mostly dealing with Superman and once again as a Superman fan I have a right to be upset. Because this stuff was actually needed for the movie.

 

[MaceB]

I have not seen UC yet however i hear mostly good things.

However-what is Snyder thinking. He's making these things. He knows the studio is NOT going to put a 3 hour movie in the theatre.

Making a movie that is only'intelligible' in it's 3 hour form is the director's fault.

He assumed that WB was operating in good faith when they saw the script and okayed the three hour long version. Don't blame Snyder for trusting WB's word. Blame WB for backpedaling.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

The only reason WB got cold feet was due to the negative reception the film received during early screenings. Had Snyder delivered a movie that got a resounding positive reaction at the screenings than the 3 hour cut is what would've been released. Can you really blame WB for taking this kind of action after they invested over $400 million in this movie? They were likely hopeful that cutting it down would improve the pacing and story. Snyder is still the one who cut the film together thus his choices of what was cut should be criticized just as much as WB getting cold feet.

Care to share a reliable source on the screenings that took place before WB pulled their BS move on Snyder? And clickbait journalists don't count. I absolutely can, and do blame WB for the difference between cuts, and for good reason, because it's entirely their fault. It was too late in the game for them to demand that such a drastic change be made to the film, Snyder made a 3 hour film at their go ahead, and wasn't given enough time to properly edit it down. WB deserves the blame. That they'd invested so much money in only makes them look worse, because they should've known that a last minute move like that on a 3 hour multi-hundred million dollar film was a stupid thing to do.

 

[idiot09]

If it makes any difference to the skeptics who are wary of seeing this cut, I HATED the theatrical release but LOVED this cut.

I actually left the forums because I was so angry about the film. I felt betrayed.

But this cut feels like a veritable epic. I actually shed a few tears watching it. It's not the greatest film ever, but it's certainly one of my favorite comicbook movies now.

Thats great to hear.What was your initial score,and what is your score after seeing this cut?

 

[Micromind]

The only reason WB got cold feet was due to the negative reception the film received during early screenings. Had Snyder delivered a movie that got a resounding positive reaction at the screenings than the 3 hour cut is what would've been released. Can you really blame WB for taking this kind of action after they invested over $400 million in this movie? They were likely hopeful that cutting it down would improve the pacing and story. Snyder is still the one who cut the film together thus his choices of what was cut should be criticized just as much as WB getting cold feet.

What negative reception ? If anything there were multiple reports that early screenings got great audience response, at some places, movie even got standing ovations. I suppose that was for the 3 hour Cut.

 

[Micromind]

The main reason WB cut the movie by 30 minutes was to maximize number of screenings per theater.

 

[idiot09]

The only reason WB got cold feet was due to the negative reception the film received during early screenings. Had Snyder delivered a movie that got a resounding positive reaction at the screenings than the 3 hour cut is what would've been released. Can you really blame WB for taking this kind of action after they invested over $400 million in this movie? They were likely hopeful that cutting it down would improve the pacing and story. Snyder is still the one who cut the film together thus his choices of what was cut should be criticized just as much as WB getting cold feet.

As Roven confirmed in the interview with collider,Snyder gave WB the 3hr cut during sometime in august,and then near that time we got the reports of the "Standing ovations" given by the executives[which makes sense since the uc is quite good].Then as Snyder said WB decided to cut this film down at the very last hour for more showings a day.And the cuts like removing more Clark/Superman over Batman seem like typical studio meddling to me.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

Thats great to hear.What was your initial score,and what is your score after seeing this cut?

Honestly, my initial score out of ten was a 5. I REALLY didn't like it.

My score for the Ultimate Cut is an 8. Keep in mind that VERY few films are above an 8 for me.

I really enjoyed this movie. The majority of problems people are going to have with this version are small plotholes, (which can be fixed with a little imagination) characterizations, and tone.

Basically, it really depends on whether or not you're willing to put aside fanboy nitpicks and assess the film for what it is.

 

[tanita_mors]

they basically cut out everything that made superman an actual person and not an ideal. next to the overall editing of the movie, he and him and lois were my biggest problem with the film. he didn't seam like an actual person but an emotionless robot who didn't know how to be either clark or kal-el. and i didn't buy him and lois as a couple. this cut fixes that completely as does the choppiness of both the beginning of the movie and the ending. the ending in particular flows much better.

 

[KillerWolf]

When you factor having to establish Batman, Lex and Wonder Woman it makes sense for this to be a 3 hr movie.

If WB wasn't sure they were going to commit to that then it should have just been MOS 2 and then make a Batman film as well.

But I'm pretty it's the studio that pushed Snyder to introduce the Justice League in BvS. I assume it went something like this:

WB: "Lets introduce the rest of the DC characters in this film so we could release the "Justice League" in 2017."

Snyder: "Okay, but then let me make a 3 hour epic which would give enough time to focus on the main story and also expand the greater DC universe."

WB: "Deal."

A month before the film is to get released:

WB: "About that three hour run time, we're not really comfortable about it and have changed our minds. 30 minutes of the film needs to be cut."

 

[AbradolfLincler]

But I'm pretty it's the studio that pushed Snyder to introduce the Justice League in BvS. I assume it went something like this:

WB: "Lets introduce the rest of the DC characters in this film so we could release the "Justice League" in 2017."

Snyder: "Okay, but then let me make a 3 hour epic which would give enough time to focus on the main story and also expand the greater DC universe."

WB: "Deal."

A month before the film is to get released:

WB: "About that three hour run time, we're not really comfortable about it and have changed our minds. 30 minutes of the film needs to be cut."

That sounds about right.

 

[Micromind]

i will never get over the fact that superman should have held the ww lasso and she could have killed doomsday with the spear and all could have lived. unless no one else but her can touch the lasso. i'm not really familiar with ww lore.

I never understood such suggestions -

1) Why would Superman give the task of killing Doomsday to someone else ? Is he afraid that he might get killed ? If he is afraid, then how is that act heroic ?

Because Wonder Woman (or Batman) can still get killed by Doomsday, so Superman is willing to sacrifice them instead of himself, that's not how Superman behaves.

2) WW's lasso does not work the same way if used by other people, it loses it's indestructible nature and the power to compel the person tied with it to tell the truth. (though, in some comics it has been used by others but I don't like that since the lasso is very special weapon which is used only by WW.) No other amazon warrior uses lasso.

 

[Greens]

One of the biggest moments for me was the added scene where Clark meets Santos' wife/sister? outside of the police station and she tells him about what happens to people with the Bat brand. It gives the scene where Superman is fed up with Batman and tells him to bury the bat a lot more weight. He has more reason to be fed up with Batman.

Lex' plan was a lot clearer in this cut as well.