BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah of course not. People just didn't "get it" right.

People are different, come from different backgrounds and have different opinions. BvS story has every right to exist. If you didn't like it - well, too bad. It doesn't make it a bad story.

Yeah, that was the problem with Bane in Batman and Robin, too. Sound characterization people just didn't like.

I don't think there are many people, who liked Bane in B&R. But there are many, who liked Batman in BvS and were happy to see him getting back on the light track.

 

[Legendver2]

Lol, look at all you here still talking about BvS months after release, while every other subforum is barely seeing activity. Now tell me again how this is leaving people's minds when the very vocal detractors are STILL here?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Lol, look at all you here still talking about BvS months after release, while every other subforum is barely seeing activity. Now tell me again how this is leaving people's minds when the very vocal detractors are STILL here?

Hated, high profile movies are always remembered. Look at the Phantom Menace.

Heck, people still complain about Godfather III all the time and that came out almost 30 years ago.

EDIT: Or even Batman & Robin. More people talk about Batman & Robin these days than they do Batman Begins.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Lol, look at all you here still talking about BvS months after release, while every other subforum is barely seeing activity. Now tell me again how this is leaving people's minds when the very vocal detractors are STILL here?

It's fascinating but I think a lot of people love to complain. It's why this movie will get more activity than the CW forum. People tend to be quicker and more apt to take to the internet to voice their displeasure over something than to be complimentary of something else.

 

[idiot09]

Dont forget the fact,that there is still discussion to be had,because according to what we are hearing,a much better version of the same movie is about to be released.That would redeem it in some people's eyes.It would also make people who liked it like it even more,and maybe even people who didnt like it appreciate it a bit.

 

[gdw]

Doing a quick analysis, it's the same movies I listed previously, except it increases to Iron Man 3, The Amazing Spider-Man and X-Men Apocalypse.

At least it's a more accurate way of looking at the data.

Also, Iron Man 3, again, is probably the closets comparison, especially in terms of split reception.

 

[The Joker]

I was always disappointed that MoS and BvS weren't more thoughtful and risky. Instead Snyder just made big, dumb, loud, illogical, Michael Bay-esque action movies. I was hoping for a lot more. A LOT more.

This movie might as well be called Batformers.

People are different, come from different backgrounds and have different opinions. BvS story has every right to exist. If you didn't like it - well, too bad. It doesn't make it a bad story.

No offense but what kind of bizarre logic is this? 'BvS story has every right to exist, if you didn't like it then too bad'. I could turn around and say the exact same thing about any bad CBM.

BvS story has every right to exist....what does that even mean. Have people been asking for every copy of the movie to be erased from existence?

I don't think there are many people, who liked Bane in B&R. But there are many, who liked Batman in BvS and were happy to see him getting back on the light track.

You're changing your stance. It's about how many people like something now, not their different backgrounds and opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/BatmanAndRobinFilm/?fref=ts

Over five hundred thousand likes for B&R on Facebook. Are these people's opinions irrelevant because they're a minority?

 

[Erzengel]

At least it's a more accurate way of looking at the data.

Also, Iron Man 3, again, is probably the closets comparison, especially in terms of split reception.

I would have said personally TASM2.

 

[idiot09]

If you dont mind me asking,what exactly are your issues with BvS(in brief).

 

[kguillou]

But let's be honest, the people who like Batman and Robin probably enjoy the film on an ironic level. Batman and Robin is an incredibly fun film to watch when you have friends over and play drinking games with. Its a great film to laugh at. I dont think you'll find much people who like the film because they think its a genuinely good film.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I would have said personally TASM2.

TASM2 is an excellent comparison to BvS.

 

[Ahasverus]

Yeah, b&R should be reviled for almost killing the brand, but after we got a great acclaimed trilogy, it's fun to go back and appreciatte B&R as a great comedy camp film. That said, Forever is kind of there.

TASM2 is an excellent comparison to BvS.

 

[Da-Scribe]

There has been no other major CBM to structure itself around the revenge tragedy template. Not only that, but to double up on it with two interwoven narratives was a huge risk.

I have never seen on film, a Superman that struggles with madness. I have never seen a Superman on film that showcases some of the aspects of humanity we typically look to escape when we watch a movie. That's not bad characterization to me. That was perhaps the most human representation of any CBM character I've ever seen. So much of the human experience is defined by suffering. So to see a character not traditionally associated with that, though traditionally considered to be the most relatable by fans, actually dealing with that for an entire film was incredibly new for me.

I have never seen on film, a more introspective look at Batman. Nolan challenged his philosophy in TDK. He presented the controversy of cell phone surveillance, but ultimately allowed Bruce to be right about using it. BvS straight up paints Batman's principles as flawed and outright incorrect. I've never seen a CBM that just went ahead and made their biggest money maker a psychologically broken villain. I've never seen a Batman that you're supposed to root against.

I've never seen a CBM that presents a villain with a tragic past (Lex and his abuse) that you're not supposed to feel any sympathy for. Usually the ones you're to feel no sympathy toward are not given any backstory.

Perhaps the biggest shock to me was that the titular battle, the battle that all of the marketing had us waiting to see for year, was built up to in a way that I actually didn't want to see it happen. I couldn't wait for Steve to punch Tony. I just wanted Clark and Bruce to talk it out. Hell, I've never seen an action movie that explicitly highlights talking to each other as the only real way to bring about understanding.

Maybe the execution wasn't for you. That's understandable. Everything ain't for everybody. But there's just no way I can agree that BvS didn't take risks. I'm not even talking about the dark tone here. That's been done plenty. It was the entire presentation that left me completely baffled in the best way possible. So much was familiar, yet so much more was entirely different.

 

[Legendver2]

I just find it odd here that from what I see in these forums, fans of the movie like the movie, and accept the fact that it didn't jive with others, they would defend the film, but otherwise totally cool with the fact that some people don't like it. While detractors almost seem un-accepting of the fact that some people actually likes this film, and will tear it down to shreds regardless. It feels like they feel almost vindicated that the numbers prove to them that the movie was basically s***, and push those facts on to fans going, "Why do you still like this?! Cinemascore says you're not supposed to!"

I can understand not liking a film, heck I hated IM3, but I didn't stay on that board to rain on people. BvS was released 3 months ago, and yet we're still here talking about the same stuff lol. I would've imagined most of you guys would be in the CW and XMA forums discussing the merits of those films. Yet here you still are. Now we have a UC coming, and about 90% of you who haven't seen it yet come in here bashing it like you have . It's gotten so bad that you guys got the JL speculation thread locked. I mean come on!

 

[The Joker]

I just find it odd here that from what I see in these forums, fans of the movie like the movie, and accept the fact that it didn't jive with others, they would defend the film, but otherwise totally cool with the fact that some people don't like it. While detractors almost seem un-accepting of the fact that some people actually likes this film, and will tear it down to shreds regardless. It feels like they feel almost vindicated that the numbers prove to them that the movie was basically s***, and push those facts on to fans going, "Why do you still like this?! Cinemascore says you're not supposed to!"

I see the opposite. Detractors fully accept people like this movie, it's the fans of the movie that can't accept the opposite. That's why the demanded their own special positive thread to talk in. Then they used the thread to bash the people who dislike the movie. The thread ended up being shut down because of it. It only got re-opened on the condition they never do that again, and anyone who does gets banned.

That's how bad the fans of this movie behaved. The problem is not with the detractors.

 

[OutOfBoose]

No offense but what kind of bizarre logic is this? 'BvS story has every right to exist, if you didn't like it then too bad'. I could turn around and say the exact same thing about any bad CBM.

It seemed to me you deny BvS story a chance. Like people bring these arguments - Batman shouldn't kill, Superman can't be in doubt and so on. And that's why the movie is bad. Execution is lackluster in places. But the story is great.

You're changing your stance. It's about how many people like something now, not their different backgrounds and opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/BatmanAndRobinFilm/?fref=ts

Over five hundred thousand likes for B&R on Facebook. Are these people's opinions irrelevant because they're a minority?

Yes, in context of B&R Bane isn't something out of ordinary. Since everything there was reduced to camp and absurdity.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I just find it odd here that from what I see in these forums, fans of the movie like the movie, and accept the fact that it didn't jive with others, they would defend the film, but otherwise totally cool with the fact that some people don't like it. While detractors almost seem un-accepting of the fact that some people actually likes this film, and will tear it down to shreds regardless. It feels like they feel almost vindicated that the numbers prove to them that the movie was basically s***, and push those facts on to fans going, "Why do you still like this?! Cinemascore says you're not supposed to!"

I can understand not liking a film, heck I hated IM3, but I didn't stay on that board to rain on people. BvS was released 3 months ago, and yet we're still here talking about the same stuff lol. I would've imagined most of you guys would be in the CW and XMA forums discussing the merits of those films. Yet here you still are. Now we have a UC coming, and about 90% of you who haven't seen it yet come in here bashing it like you have . It's gotten so bad that you guys got the JL speculation thread locked. I mean come on!

Other way around. Most of the critics of this film fully acknowledge that it appeals to some people. Every movie does. Meanwhile, we are constantly called stupid, told we don't like it because we 'don't get it,' etc. The very first post of the positivity thread even had to spell this out because supporters of the film were simply using it as a haven to bash anyone who didn't love the film.

 

[idiot09]

There has been no other major CBM to structure itself around the revenge tragedy template. Not only that, but to double up on it with two interwoven narratives was a huge risk.

I have never seen on film, a Superman that struggles with madness. I have never seen a Superman on film that showcases some of the aspects of humanity we typically look to escape when we watch a movie. That's not bad characterization to me. That was perhaps the most human representation of any CBM character I've ever seen. So much of the human experience is defined by suffering. So to see a character not traditionally associated with that, though traditionally considered to be the most relatable by fans, actually dealing with that for an entire film was incredibly new for me.

I have never seen on film, a more introspective look at Batman. Nolan challenged his philosophy in TDK. He presented the controversy of cell phone surveillance, but ultimately allowed Bruce to be right about using it. BvS straight up paints Batman's principles as flawed and outright incorrect. I've never seen a CBM that just went ahead and made their biggest money maker a psychologically broken villain. I've never seen a Batman that you're supposed to root against.

I've never seen a CBM that presents a villain with a tragic past (Lex and his abuse) that you're not supposed to feel any sympathy for. Usually the ones you're to feel no sympathy toward are not given any backstory.

Perhaps the biggest shock to me was that the titular battle, the battle that all of the marketing had us waiting to see for year, was built up to in a way that I actually didn't want to see it happen. I couldn't wait for Steve to punch Tony. I just wanted Clark and Bruce to talk it out. Hell, I've never seen an action movie that explicitly highlights talking to each other as the only real way to bring about understanding.

Maybe the execution wasn't for you. That's understandable. Everything ain't for everybody. But there's just no way I can agree that BvS didn't take risks. I'm not even talking about the dark tone here. That's been done plenty. It was the entire presentation that left me completely baffled in the best way possible. So much was familiar, yet so much more was entirely different.

Absolutely agreed man.I loved how they showed us that violence amongst heroes shouldnt be celebrated.The fight was painful to watch,even me who is a hardcore Batman fan,was gasping everytime he took a hit at Superman.I was nearly pleading them to stop fighting,I actually cared,it didnt glorify the violence.It showed how it was,absolutely brutal.You could feel the weight of each punch.

And in the end

Spoilers for UC :

Spoiler

When Bruce says "I dont deserve you Alfred" .My god the feels.You could just see he was regretting everything.I just cant believe anyone who says Snyder doesnt understand these characters

I really think it was done well,but thats my opinion,I understand why some people didnt like it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I see the opposite. Detractors fully accept people like this movie, it's the fans of the movie that can't accept the opposite. That's why the demanded their own special positive thread to talk in. Then they used the thread to bash the people who dislike the movie. The thread ended up being shut down because of it. It only got re-opened on the condition they never do that again, and anyone who does gets banned.

That's how bad the fans of this movie behaved. The problem is not with the detractors.

Separate thread was needed not because some people can't accept someone dislikes a film. But because people wanted to have a party. Imagine someone comes to a party and says the food isn't tasty, music is crap. Does he have a right to say that, if he believes so? Absolutely yes, but everyone around, who's having a good time, will be suffering. The mood will be killed.

 

[The Joker]

It seemed to me you deny BvS story a chance. Like people bring these arguments - Batman shouldn't kill, Superman can't be in doubt and so on. And that's why the movie is bad. Execution is lackluster in places. But the story is great.

I didn't deny it a chance. Nobody did. We all went and watched it, and made our judgements on it. How is that denying it a chance? We come back here, voice our criticisms about the myriad of flaws this awful story had, and we get told by the fans stuff like we didn't get, we're shallow thinkers etc.

So I ask you, who's in the wrong here? The ones who watched it and made their own informed opinions, or the ones who dismiss them because it doesn't gel with what they think?

Yes, in context of B&R Bane isn't something out of ordinary. Since everything there was reduced to camp and absurdity.

So what? Fact is they still liked it. According to you that doesn't make it a bad movie because people have different opinions and backgrounds. So if BvS isn't bad, then neither is B&R.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Separate thread was needed not because some people can't accept someone dislikes a film. But because people wanted to have a party. Imagine someone comes to a party and says the food isn't tasty, music is crap. Does he have a right to say that, if he believes so? Absolutely yes, but everyone around, who's having a good time, will be suffering. The mood will be killed.

This is a discussion forum. Not a place to have a party.

 

[OutOfBoose]

This is a discussion forum. Not a place to have a party.

That's why that thread was needed.

 

[The Joker]

Other way around. Most of the critics of this film fully acknowledge that it appeals to some people. Every movie does. Meanwhile, we are constantly called stupid, told we don't like it because we 'don't get it,' etc. The very first post of the positivity thread even had to spell this out because supporters of the film were simply using it as a haven to bash anyone who didn't love the film.

Exactly.

Separate thread was needed not because some people can't accept someone dislikes a film. But because people wanted to have a party. Imagine someone comes to a party and says the food isn't tasty, music is crap. Does he have a right to say that, if he believes so? Absolutely yes, but everyone around, who's having a good time, will be suffering. The mood will be killed.

Pull the other one. This forum is not a place to have a party. Do you see the words fan forum anywhere here? This is a discussion forum. That means positive and negative opinions. If people can't handle seeing negative opinions then internet forums are not for them.

This was proven when they used said positive thread to childishly bash the people who were criticizing the movie.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Breh, there was a Skepticism thread too when mostly everyone was pumped up for BvS. Became a safe place for people discuss everything they hated about the BvS production. Point is, there were bad apples on either side of the aisle. All this finger pointing about which side is worse is absolutely childish.

 

[The Joker]

Breh, there was a Skepticism thread too when mostly everyone was pumped up for BvS. Became a safe place for people discuss everything they hated about the BvS production. Point is, there were bad apples on either side of the aisle. All this finger pointing about which side is worse is absolutely childish.

Did the skepticism thread get shut down because the skeptics were slagging off the fans, and moderators had to issue warnings for bannings?