BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[OutOfBoose]

Poor Hector.

 

[DeadStroke]

Poor Hector.

Hector seems like a good guy...

But man if he isn't a stickler for "fun" and the characters must exude this fun personality.

He said Force Awakens is the best Star Wars movie ever...

He cringes at any serious Leto Joker moments and wants him to be fun. (he is still hyped for Suicide Squad though)

He thinks Nolan's Batman movies were just a product of the time and how we've moved past that. He makes some good points, but eh..

 

[Micromind]

Hector seems like a good guy...

But man if he isn't a stickler for "fun" and the characters must exude this fun personality.

He said Force Awakens is the best Star Wars movie ever...

He cringes at any serious Leto Joker moments and wants him to be fun. (he is still hyped for Suicide Squad though)

He thinks Nolan's Batman movies were just a product of the time and how we've moved past that. He makes some good points, but eh..

Wonder what he thinks about Ang Lee's HULK.

 

[kguillou]

Ugh, Ang Lee's Hulk. I still remember leaving that theater completely befuddled as to what I had just watched back in 2003.

 

[idiot09]

Hector and the SHN guys make some great points at times and are nice to listen to,but they have a very specific idea of what they want to see.The want to see a specific version of a character in a movie,and when the movie didnt show that,they didnt like it.Thats fairplay,you are entitled to that.They thought the movie was too dark,and Superman was not hopeful or happy enough.So I'm not surprised the UC didnt change their mind.The UC fixes the storytelling and fleshes out the character and plot,it doesnt change the characters.So not surprised to see that.

 

[Tvar10]

So is the digital edition available for download? I cant seem to find it anywhere...

 

[OutOfBoose]

Hector seems like a good guy...

He's respectful towards other opinions and I respect his disappointment.

But man if he isn't a stickler for "fun" and the characters must exude this fun personality.

Yes, they gravitate towards certain style of CBM. He likes Marvel kind more.

He said Force Awakens is the best Star Wars movie ever...

He certainly has a right to think so... In his particular case, since he doesn't hammer his own opinion into others, I won't be talking about double standards. When it comes to art, if we like something, we often forgive problems. It seems for him Force Awakens is like for me Batman v Superman. Both films are flawed. Both provide different kind of entertainment.

He cringes at any serious Leto Joker moments and wants him to be fun. (he is still hyped for Suicide Squad though)

What serious Leto Joker moments?

He thinks Nolan's Batman movies were just a product of the time and how we've moved past that. He makes some good points, but eh..

We? Moved where? I can see him to be totally absorbed by Marvel material, and it's fine. But I began getting what I like only this year. There's some middle ground and it seems SS, WW and JL will introduce new tones to DCEU.

 

[OutOfBoose]

So is the digital edition available for download? I cant seem to find it anywhere...

Amazon? iTunes?

 

[AbradolfLincler]

People seem so confused by Lex Luthor's motivation to create Doomsday. It seems clear to me that Lex wanted to be God, and creatio ex materia - creating life with his own blood - was what he felt was the final step in the process. He created life in his own image.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

So is the digital edition available for download? I cant seem to find it anywhere...

Dude, you can even buy it on YouTube.

 

[gdw]

When he's not weakened, Supes was winning. That's all that counts.

'When he wasn't loosing, he was winning!'

 

[AbradolfLincler]

'When he wasn't loosing, he was winning!'

Well, doesn't that follow logically?

 

[idiot09]

He wanted to show that Superman was not this perfect being-all powerful/all good.As he said,he didnt have a problem with Superman,but rather his existence,and what it signifies(born from his traumatic childhood).Thus the whole thing with having him fight Batman for Martha's life,showing he is not all good,and then taking him out with Doomsday to show he is not all powerful.

"They need to see the fraud you are,the blood on your hands".

 

[gdw]

Well, doesn't that follow logically?

If that's the take away from a fight, where in said person eventually lost, and someone says that "all that counts" are the moments where he wasn't loosing, they kinda completely miss the mark.

 

[tanita_mors]

the extended cut is far superior, but i almost can't believe that BvS movie has like 2 hours of it and only a single action scene before their fight and doomsday. like, i get character and story-building and applaud it, but a single action sequence for the first two hours. it does gives clark some depth that was missing in the theatrical version. also, it explains lex's demeted plan better. i liked jesse the first time i saw the movie and he is still good, but asfter this cut i feel they should have gone with an actor that was superman's/batman's age or even older.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

If that's the take away from a fight, where in said person eventually lost, and someone says that "all that counts" are the moments where he wasn't loosing, they kinda completely miss the mark.

I see. So you wanted those things to be said about Batman and not YOUR guy regardless of how it affected either character's arcs.

Or did you want a copout? FFS, it was established that Supes could have handled him if he wanted. What else do you want? For Superman to fly into orbit and fry Batman before before the fight even started?

 

[AbradolfLincler]

He wanted to show that Superman was not this perfect being-all powerful/all good.As he said,he didnt have a problem with Superman,but rather his existence,and what it signifies(born from his traumatic childhood).Thus the whole thing with having him fight Batman for Martha's life,showing he is not all good,and then taking him out with Doomsday to show he is not all powerful.

"They need to see the fraud you are,the blood on your hands".

I think the problem people have is that it seemed like Lex clearly expected Batman to kill Superman.

My theory is in keeping with the fact that Lex was an obsessive madman.

 

[tanita_mors]

i don't think lex cared. because if batman killed superman then he wasn't all powerful, and if he killed batman then he wasn't all good because he took "justice" into his own hands and became an executioner. doomsday was a last resort that if superman survives batman he could kill him.

 

[gdw]

I see. So you wanted those things to be said about Batman and not YOUR guy regardless of how it affected either character's arcs.

Or did you want a copout? FFS, it was established that Supes could have handled him if he wanted. What else do you want? For Superman to fly into orbit and fry Batman before before the fight even started?

What the hell are you talking about?

First off, the fight in the film went pretty much exactly what i expected/wanted, minor quibbles aside.

Obviously Superman could crush Batman if he wanted to. We can't ignore that, BUT we ALSO can't ignore the fact that Superman would NEVER want to. We also can't ignore Kryptonite. These are ALL just as much part of Superman, and his character, and NONE of them can be ignored, or dismissed, when discussing a Batman vs Superman fight.

They CAN be negated by story elements, if justified, and make sense, but they can NOT be ignored or dismissed.

i don't think lex cared. because if batman killed superman then he wasn't all powerful, and if he killed batman then he wasn't all good because he took "justice" into his own hands and became an executioner. doomsday was a last resort that if superman survives batman he could kill him.

Yes, exactly what I figured.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

What the hell are you talking about?

First off, the fight in the film went pretty much exactly what i expected/wanted, minor quibbles aside.

Obviously Superman could crush Batman if he wanted to. We can't ignore that, BUT we ALSO can't ignore the fact that Superman would NEVER want to. We also can't ignore Kryptonite. These are ALL just as much part of Superman, and his character, and NONE of them can be ignored, or dismissed, when discussing a Batman vs Superman fight.

They CAN be negated by story elements, if justified, and make sense, but they can NOT be ignored or dismissed.



Yes, exactly what I figured.

I didn't understand your comments then. I thought you were quibbling with the details of the fight.

 

[idiot09]

i don't think lex cared. because if batman killed superman then he wasn't all powerful, and if he killed batman then he wasn't all good because he took "justice" into his own hands and became an executioner. doomsday was a last resort that if superman survives batman he could kill him.

Exactly.As we see in the UC,Luthor is a very meticulous planner.

 

[gdw]

Wanted to touch on the Bat-murder in BvS, TC vs UC, again. Now, still haven't finished the film (HOPEFULLY will FINALLY be able to finish it tonight) so I don't know what, if any changes, are made to Batman's actions AFTER the Court bombing, however, the branding is slightly re-contextualized.

In the TC, there have only been TWO criminals found with the Bat-brand, and the first of which was only in critical condition, but neither were ever confirmed killed in prison.
Arguably the photos Clark receives show the second criminal dead (and the UC actually makes it clear he IS dead,) in the TC, it's never explicit that either is killed as a result of the brand.
Also, as I said, only 2 Bat-Branded criminals had been found, apparently. This kind of makes sense, with Alfred saying "New rules?" when he sees the article about the second branded criminal.
Of course, I find it hard to believe Alfred would not have found out about the FIRST one, but maybe he only choose to confront him after he did it again.

Now, and obviously more spoilers from here on, in the UC, as I said, the criminal Batman brands in the beginning, is explicitly killed. HOWEVER, we see that this was because LEX ensured it.
So, arguably, Bruce had no way of knowing that he was sentencing these guys to death, at least that can be sort of inferred from the revelation that Lex had the guy killed.
EXCEPT for the fact that, in the UC, this is the EIGHTEENTH guy he's freaking branded!
Now, I can't recall at the moment if ALL of them end up dead, but the criminal he brands at the beginning was already under the impression the brand would get him killed, so at least SOME of them had already been killed.

So, while they make it clear that Lex had the most recent branded guy killed, and we can MAYBE infer that he was behind ALL of the attacks on the branded criminals, the fact that Bruce had already done it more than a dozen times, there's NO way Bruce did NOT know he was sentencing these guys to death. THAT pisses me off.

Also, if this was the 18th guy he branded, then it makes Alfred's belated confrontation even MORE egregious.
Alfred just stood by while almost 20 guys were getting shanked and killed in prison as a direct result of Bruce's actions? WTF Al?!

Also, this kind of taints my ability to pretend Bruce only "kills" AFTER the Knightmare, and Flash, convince him he has to kill Superman.

 

[gdw]

I didn't understand your comments then. I thought you were quibbling with the details of the fight.

No, I was taking umbrage with AnneFan essentially saying, "he would have won, if he didn't loose."

 

[gerrym51]

I have not seen UC yet however i hear mostly good things.

However-what is Snyder thinking. He's making these things. He knows the studio is NOT going to put a 3 hour movie in the theatre.

Making a movie that is only'intelligible' in it's 3 hour form is the director's fault.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

I enjoyed this movie immensely. The liked the TC but seeing it the way it was meant to be made me appreciate it more.