The Catwoman Appreciation Thread.

[jaguarr]

People here refuse to consider the revenue from DVD sales which could easily make up the differece.

Show me figures from a reputable source that show CINO has recouped it's production and advertising costs so as to at least break even through the supplementation of DVD sales and rentals to it's box office revenue.

jag

 

[dnno1]

...Now we're going to pretend that the DVD rentals/sales have made 55 million dollars (the amount the film lost in the box office). Fine. However, you do know that DVDs don't grow on trees, right? They cost money to produce, distribute and promote, just like the film itself. On top of that, the rental profits belogn more to the rental store than to the studio...

It reall doesn't cost that much money to produce and distribute DVD's. If you make them in the millions it only cost tens of cents on the dollar. Turn around and sell them for $7-$24 a copy and there is plenty of profit to spread around. I know you made a comment about distribution costs but the WB owns the distribution rights to the DVD's (here in North America) and Villiage Roadshow Pictures (in Austrailia and New Zeland).

 

[shinlyle]

You are not undestanding me. You said that she was someone that we have known and loved for 60 year and that is virtually impossible. You couldn't have known the caracter for more than 20. In fact, the average person going to the movies could not have known about the character for more than 20 years (or more like 10) since their average age ranges between 12 and 24. I am willing to bet that it would be a small number out of of those who actuall know Catwoman that well.

This chain of logic is just dumb. The character has been around for over 60 years and has a rich history....but you say it doesn't count because the fans who love the character haven't been alive the whole time? Get over yourself. This point is useless for you to debate because you have no clear point to this argument.

Which just proves that you really don't read my posts. Quite a few of them are cited back to sources such as the Motion Picture Association of America, USA today and others.

Yeah..articles and sources you conveniently fail to link us to..and which also fail to support your point.

I do read your posts...and I fear that my intelligence drops everytime I read them...

There are a lot of people who don't watch TV or have access to Cable, but yet still go to the movies. That is very possible.

Yeah...they just ride by the movies and see a poster up and say, "Hey, I'll go see that movie!"

Sorry, junior, they see the ads somewhere....and that somewhere is on television. If you can't afford a television, then you don't need to be going to the movies. Also, this argument blows your "DVD recoup" theory out of the water.

That doesn't make it right (because it is fun). What kind of answer is that? What I have been saying is that because the movie did not do well at the boxoffice does not mean it will end up as a failure in the longrun. People here refuse to consider the revenue from DVD sales which could easily make up the differece.

What kind of answer is that? A funny one. I'm sur eit wasn't funny to you, seeing as how it was made at your expense, but I assure you, it was funny to everyone else.

The reason people here refuse to consider the revenue from the DVD is because the movie lost 53 million dollars! No way in hell is the DVD sales of a box office and critical flop going to make up that much money. Get a clue.

Also, you seem to think that DVDs grow on trees....they cost money to produce and promote...of course, you'll ignore that fact again and pretend the movie still only cost 85 million dollars to make...

It flopped. The studio, the star, and all of Hollywood and the movie-going public are in agreement on this. Why is it so hard foryou to accept that the movie failed? What personal interest do you have in this piece of crap? Let it go....damn.

 

[dnno1]

Show me figures from a reputable source that show CINO has recouped it's production and advertising costs so as to at least break even through the supplementation of DVD sales and rentals to it's box office revenue.

jag

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

 

[shinlyle]

It reall doesn't cost that much money to produce and distribute DVD's. If you make them in the millions it only cost tens of cents on the dollar. Turn around and sell them for $7-$24 a copy and there is plenty of profit to spread around. I know you made a comment about distribution costs but the WB owns the distribution rights to the DVD's (here in North America) and Villiage Roadshow Pictures (in Austrailia and New Zeland).

Really? So I guess the airtime to advertise the DVDs on television...that was all free, too, right? Moron.

On top of that, the DVD didn't sell very well at all. In fact, ti did quite poorly in the rentals, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the sales followed suit.

Any other ways you can think of to imagine profit for this film. We'r eall anxiously waiting. I'll bet you going to tell me that the Halloween costume sales made back the 55 million dollars too....

 

[jaguarr]

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

It's your point to prove, Sparky. So prove it or ****.

jag

 

[shinlyle]

You show me figures from a reputable source that show that the film didn't. I don't think you will.

That's your argument?! Your the one with something to prove, kid. You're the one banking on DVD rentals and sales to back up your argument, not us. If you can't back up your own point, then you may want to drop the case alltogether.

Seeing as how you need proof of your failure, though, here it is:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/numbers.php

Lookie there.....if made back a whopping 2 million dollars in rentals!!!! WOW!!!

It also says that it will make about 60% more on average, after dropping out of the top ten rental charts....which it dropped out of after 2 weeks...
So that brings it's total to a staggerring $3,296,000 !!!


I guess you can enjoy your humble pie now....

 

[shinlyle]

It's your point to prove, Sparky. So prove it or ****.

jag

Careful...if we keep asking him to provide proof, we may scare him away!!!

 

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ this

 

[jaguarr]

lol@ this

shin, you ruined it for me. I was hoping he'd go find that data on his own. I'm sure he'll come up with some sort of bizarro numbers from imdb.com again or something, though.

jag

 

[shinlyle]

shin, you ruined it for me. I was hoping he'd go find that data on his own. I'm sure he'll come up with some sort of bizarro numbers from imdb.com again or something, though.

jag

I'm fully expecting him to write some numbers down in crayon on a sheet of notebook paper, and then scan it, save it as a photobucket pic, and say it's a website.

It really wouldn't shock me at this point. I'm waiting for him to start proclaiming that the Earth is flat or some other stupidity, next....

 

[dnno1]

That's your argument?! Your the one with something to prove, kid. You're the one banking on DVD rentals and sales to back up your argument, not us. If you can't back up your own point, then you may want to drop the case alltogether.

Seeing as how you need proof of your failure, though, here it is:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/catwoman/numbers.php

Lookie there.....if made back a whopping 2 million dollars in rentals!!!! WOW!!!

It also says that it will make about 60% more on average, after dropping out of the top ten rental charts....which it dropped out of after 2 weeks...
So that brings it's total to a staggerring $3,296,000 !!!


I guess you can enjoy your humble pie now....

That's not current and it doesn't include DVD sales (just VHS rentals up to the point that the film falls off the top 10 rental chart). I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

lol@ all this

 

[jaguarr]

I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.

Maintain it with some statistical proof from a reputable source, then.

jag

 

[shinlyle]

That's not current and it doesn't include DVD sales (just VHS rentals up to the point that the film falls off the top 10 rental chart). I still maintain that the DVD is still selling.

You also seem to "maintain" that the movei wasn't a complete and utter failure, but you were wrong about that, too.

The DVD selling out of the $5.99 bin at Wal-mart is hardly going to make it a success, kid. Also...I've yet to meet anyone who actually bought the DVD in real life....and I know a whole s***load of people. Now....is it more probable that the DVD is being bought by the same silent majority who liked the movie, or is it more probable tha the DVD isn't selling because no one liked the movie? If the DVD is such a hot seller, then why no talk of a sequel? Why does the star and the studio and anyone in motion pictures still use this film as the butt of all their jokes? It's almost like the film was a failure!

I know what you're going to say, and, I'll save us some time....YOU'RE WRONG.

Halle said it sucked (when she accepted her Razzie Award). Sharon Stone said it sucked (When interviewed about her recent films). Benjamin Bratt said it sucked (before the film even came out. He said this on the Tonight Show or the Late Show or something). Halle swore she would never do a sequel to this film. The director has yet to land a single gig since the film flopped almost 2 years ago.

What more do you need? Do you need the WB execs to show up on your doorstep and tell you this:

"Look, it's over. We screwed up, and the film was awful. We will give you $100,000 to never mention it again so that we can move on with our lives without you praising a film that makes "Batman & Robin" look like "Shawshank Redemption". If you refuse this offer, then we will leave you with this Envelope. It contains a rusty razorblade and a list of all the reasons this film sucks....and it's written by Halle Berry herself. The Razor is fro you to use as you wish upon yourself at the realization that your life is worthless. Good day."

Let me get on the horn to the WB and see if we can make this happen.

 

[shinlyle]

Maintain it with some statistical proof from a reputable source, then.

jag

I'm still waiting for some proof of anything he's said. So far, he's only proved that he can blow his own arguments out of the water without any help from us.

Hell, I'll bet he would actually convince himself the movie was a flop if we just left him here with all of his "facts"....

 

[JackBauer]

jesus h christ this is still going on?!

 

[Darthphere]

Must be a Marvel fan.

LOL! Im a Marvel fan because I enjoy one piece of crap over a bigger piece of crap. LMAO! Bizarro logic.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

It's funny because Bizarro is a DC character

Some mod should close this because we aren't appreciating Catwoman, as what this thread's for...

 

[shinlyle]

LOL! Im a Marvel fan because I enjoy one piece of crap over a bigger piece of crap. LMAO! Bizarro logic.

I think even Bizarro himself would be confused by this guy's logic.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Holy hell. I can't believe I made this thread? The hell was I thinking?!

 

[Two-Face]

You must have smoked something while making this thread.

 

[JackBauer]

Aaah, good times. And I wonder if dnno1 still thinks CINO didn't flop.

 

[Charlie No-One]

When this movie first came out, I somehow was an avid supporter of it. Years later, after falling in love with the actual character of Catwoman, I realized this movie was a piece of ****. They totally butchered the character of Catwoman and had zero respect for her. I still believe Selina Kyle/Catwoman could make a kick ass movie if you take one of the story lines from the recent series like "Relentless" or "Dark End of the Street". Those are fantastic stories that would translate beautifully onto film.

That being said, I am currently sick with flu. In a cough-syrup-induced state, I decided to watch this yesterday. Yes it is horrible, but you know those awful horror movies that they used to play on Chiller Theater? I think it fits right there. It is so bad that it can be entertaining. In no ways is it a good respectable film. It kind of is just like the Atomic Brian or the original Little Shop of Horrors. After I feel better, I probably won't feel that way anymore.

 

[dnno1]

Aaah, good times. And I wonder if dnno1 still thinks CINO didn't flop.

I think I said that it wasn't that bad and that it probably got it's money back in DVD sales. Anyway, that's all water under the bridge since with the track record of that genre it is doubtful that they will make any female superheroine films (let alone another Catwoman) any time soon.