The Chronology of The MCU [Based On Spider-Man Homecoming]

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  1. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    but that date is set: 13 years after the conference. And 13 years after 99/00 puts it at 12/13. It can't happen earlier or later, there's no wiggle room
     
  2. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    I doesn't even matter, since Homecoming in his eyes clarly is a deliberate retcon tailored to suit exactly his desires. putting CW in 2016 by evidence doesn't change that, because Homecoming retconned anything ayway, just because Neil and Feige agree that Neil should no longer be forced at gunpoint to look at his IM3 BluRay
     
  3. Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    So I'm not the only one that's going

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    at the way that NealKenneth is trying to spin this? Good to know ;)
     
  4. AvengerPA Registered

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    Peter Quill was kidnapped in 1988 when he was 10 years old, not in 1980.
     
  5. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    Yeah, I just rewatched thhe start of GotG, because that bothered me too. I was going off memory there, knowing it was set in 2014. but it says '26 years later' putting it still in 2014, so everything is fine.

    were '1980 - 34 years later' the dates from Vol. 2? I have no copy of that movie around
     
  6. Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    I think so. I at least seem to recall the 1980 showing on screen when it shows Meredith and Ego (so Peter was 8 when he was abducted... not 10) - don't recall if they did a "34 years later" (but they might have)
     
  7. AlluAllu Registered

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    I agree. What I meant was that Iron Man 3 isn't necessarily holding Avengers to 2012.
     
  8. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    but Agents of SHIELD is
     
  9. TheVileOne Registered

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    Once again, there is no repairing Homecoming saying Avengers happened eight years before.
     
  10. AlluAllu Registered

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    Yes. Choosing "Homecoming fix" would decanonize Agents of SHIELD. I suspect sooner or later one of the films will contradict tv-shows anyway.

    I'm warming up to the headcanon that Doctor Strange broke time.
     
  11. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    the sad thing is, when I can come up with a working timeline based on only on screen dialogue, on screen dates and the occasional WHiH stuff in about an hour of research, how easy and fast it should be for those people at MS to simply double check the dates with established continuity?
     
  12. metaphysician Not a Side-Kick

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    Honestly, this still bothers me *vastly* less than setting the start of Dr Strange post-Winter Soldier. :p
     
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    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/explaining-spider-man-homecoming-easter-eggs-212204779.html
     
  14. TheJediBrah Registered

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    It really, really does though. Iron Man 3 is clearly supposed to be set no more than a few months after Avengers. Trying to fit the MCU timeline into the "8 years later" mistake in this film is pointless, it's simply not going to work.

    Go and watch Avegers and Iron Man 3 and try to tell me that it makes any sense for 4+ years to have passed between. You can't, because it doesn't. The MCU films were always supposed to happen in real time AFAIK, Cap was thawed in 2011, Battle of NY was mid-2012, this is all pre-established canon.

    Now don't get me wrong, you can twist and squeeze in any way to make things fit a retconned timeline, but there is always going to be something in the MCU films that is wrong, time-line wise.

    Either this "8 years later" is a mistake and is wrong, or a dozen other things are mistakes and are wrong. Personally I'd rather we just accept this was a mistake and the Spiderman clearly isn't set 8 years after Avengers than do what Marvel seem to be trying to do and make a whole bunch of terrible sloppy retcons all just to try to make "8 years later" fit.
     
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  16. Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    Agreed, specially with the bolded


    The problem is, Feige, those few times that you DO Have dates specifically stated (IM3, or even every time Cap (or someone else) makes reference to how long ago he went into the ice (because he went into the ice at a very specific time which then dates - if even roughly - when the comment is made), both GotG movies have a year attached to them due to (like IM3) using basic math). Fans notice, fans pay attention and keep track because we like to create our timelines, and will call you out when inconsistencies pop up.
    Agreed
     
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    2008 : Iron Man
    2009 : Iron Man 2 / The Incredible Hulk / Thor
    2010 : Captain America - The First Avenger / The Avengers
    2011 :
    2012 : Iron Man 3
    2013 : Thor - The Dark World / Captain America - The Winter Soldier (december)
    2014 : Guardians of the Galaxy / Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    2015 : Avengers - Age of Ultron / Ant-Man
    2016 : Doctor Strange
    2016-2017 (Freshman) : Captain America - Civil War (june 2017)
    2017-2018 (Sophomore) : Spider-Man - Homecoming (september 2017)
    2018-2019 (Junior) : Avengers - Infinity War / Avengers 4 / Spider-Man 2
    2019-2020 (Senior) : Spider-Man 3

    IM/IM2 (6 months) ; IM2/TIH/T (same week) ; T/TA (last year) ; TWS (Steve Rogers is 95) ; TWS/CW (almost 4 years without supervision) ; TA/SMH (almost 8 years) ; A4/SM2 (few minutes)
     
  18. Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    Sorry, I don't agree with that (especially the bolded). To me, if you increase the time between Avengers and IM3 you lose some of the characterization for Tony in just how paranoid and how mentally broken he's become after his near death experience in Avengers. 35 suits in a 6 month time frame (meaning less than a week spent on each suit) says a lot more about his mental state than if he has a year and a half (or whatever) to create 35 new suits - it doesn't have the same effectiveness. Not to mention, while naturally everyone is different... but from what I understand, it's more common for PTSD to appear within the first few months after the traumatic event...those where it manifests years later isn't as common.

    I also don't see The Winter Soldier happening in December (this is the northeast we're talking about, if it were December... it would look like December in Washington D.C. At the very least, all the trees in the movie would not still have vibrant green leaves on them).

    I agree with others that have said that when Ross is referring to "4 years without supervision" (given that he included the Battle of New York in his little video montage) - he was counting from the time that they first formed as a team.... in Avengers (because I could easily see him assuming that since SHIELD ended up being infested with HYDRA, the Avengers never really had true supervision from the beginning)

    Just my opinion
     
  19. AlluAllu Registered

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    Maybe more like 2+ years. And yeah, the movie works better as it was originally intended. But I just can't understand how a continuity error that requires extra effort (claiming it happened more years ago than in real life) could happen in big production like this. That makes me think that this was totally intentional regardless of the numerous inconsistencies it causes. I should just accept those inconsistencies, but I'm that sort of fan who likes to make fixes in headcanon. And I think it's amazing how well "Homecoming fix" can be made to fit spoken dialoque.
     
  20. ToilesHeroiques Registered

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    We can see 2013.10.12. So october or december (december is a better placement for AoS).

    I totally agree. :yay:

    But... 1999/2000 + 13 years = 2012/2013 ; "Six months since New York" isn't in the movie + if we move IM3, this breaks the timeline for AoS.
     
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    Wow I never noticed that before :up:
     
  22. Silvermoon Made To Be Ruled

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    This goes with my previous 'props are not always right'. The chances that artists in charge of creating the overlays were given the exact details of the day/month that Batroc was going to be interrogated? Eh...I don't know that it's incredibly likely. Things like that I can see being a case of them working on the overlay (having a general idea of what the PTB's would like it to look like) realizing that videos like that usually have some type of date stamp and just throwing on the date that they completed their work on the overlay.

    Fall/Winter in D.C. does not have as much green on the trees as the film does... if they had intended on it taking place in Fall/Winter, the season would look appropriate to a northeast fall/winter - there would be trees that have (at least started - if not already gone completely) to turn the vibrant reds and yellows that trees back east get in Fall. It looks much more like spring/summer in the film. And out of the two (since it's much more noticeable), I'm more inclined to go with what the season looks like over a 'pause and zoom in' "prop" (or the digital version of a prop))

    You're right that 6 months since New York is not in the movie proper, but it was stated by PTBs that it was meant to be 6 months in between and the 6 months really does make more sense for Tony's mental state than it being a year or more.

    Also, not that I'm inclined to move IM3 (I've already made clear that I prefer keeping the dates for IM3), *if* it were to be moved how would doing so break AoS? Already IM3 takes place before the first season of AoS starts (season 1 starts fall 2013).. the only important thing IM3 has in regards to AoS (that I can think of off the top of my head) is that Extremis has to exist before AoS starts up (as it's part of the concotion being used to try and recreate supersoldiers). Unless you're suggesting moving IM3 LATER than December 2012?


    And again, just my opinion :)
     
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  23. TheJediBrah Registered

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    Yeah but it clearly must be an error right? Because why would they deliberately change the timeline by like 3 years?

    I just can't see any reason to or what they would gain by doing it so it must just be simply a genuine blunder, which like you said begs the question: how? In a movie this big with this much oversight how does that slip through?
     
  24. spider-neil spins a web any size!

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    They dug themselves into a whole with the 'Eight years later'. Why didn't they just say 6 years later?

    I'll tell you why. Because the little kid in Iron Man 2 (2010) that IM saves from the Hammer Drones is supposed to be Peter Parker (according to the producers).
    THEREFORE, in 2010 Peter would have been 8. No way is that kid 8 years old, he's more like 5 or 6.
     
  25. R_Hythlodeus Nerd Supreme

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    That kid is Max Favreau, though. The son of Jon, who was born 2001 and would have been 8 at the time that scene was shot
     

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