The Clinton Thread

[The Senator]

Because Clinton's game is too simular to what the Reps have been doing (and she has complained about) for years. She'll do anything to win.

Yep, that's right.

Because Hillary isn't going around speaking about hope and change and all of America's problems being sucked out of an open window the moment she becomes elected, she's a Republican.

I keep forgetting how these things work

 

[Matt]

Because Clinton's game is too simular to what the Reps have been doing (and she has complained about) for years. She'll do anything to win.

What the hell do you think Obama is doing? Obama has personally known Geraldine Ferarro for 10 years, however, when she made her comments, did he call her and say "Hey, what's that all about?" No. His campaign goes to the media and plays the race card. What do you call blocking the Democratic process in two states? ****, that is far more Rove-esque than anything Hillary has done.

 

[comicgirl]

What the hell do you think Obama is doing? Obama has personally known Geraldine Ferarro for 10 years, however, when she made her comments, did he call her and say "Hey, what's that all about?" No. His campaign goes to the media and plays the race card. What do you call blocking the Democratic process in two states? ****, that is far more Rove-esque than anything Hillary has done.

Geraldine drew her battlelines complete with patented whining a la Hillary about everyone attacking her. So, he calls her and says what....

I have a problem with Hillary acting like this election was supposed to be hers from the start.

 

[Matt]

Geraldine drew her battlelines complete with patented whining a la Hillary about everyone attacking her. So, he calls her and says what....

I have a problem with Hillary acting like this election was supposed to be hers from the start.

And Obama hasn't been acting like the persumed candidate since Super Tuesday?

 

[comicgirl]

Why should he not (Hillary, cue the tears!!). At least he didn't offer Hillary the vp, while he was in 2nd place. Tacky.

She could've stopped fanning the flames over MI. and FL. which neither candidate is to blame for; but she hasn't and I don't think she will. I'll be interested to see how this all pans out.

 

[The Senator]

Why should he not (Hillary, cue the tears!!). At least he didn't offer Hillary the vp, while he was in 2nd place. Tacky.

She could've stopped fanning the flames over MI. and FL. which neither candidate is to blame for; but she hasn't and I don't think she will. I'll be interested to see how this all pans out.

He shouldn't have been acting like the nominee since Super Tuesday because he didn't even exceed Clinton at the end of that night's events. Beyond that, he shouldn't be acting like the Democratic nominee because he isn't yet. There are six more states left to get through, hundreds of delegates left to be rewarded, and hundreds of Super Delegates to be decided. And with polls showing Clinton with upwards of a 30-point lead against Obama in PA, and Obama falling behind her in NC and IN, she may have a shot at this yet.

While you're on the subject of FL and MI, the reason why Obama deserves to be lambasted for this is because the man wants to silent two states because they want to abide by party rules. Florida and Michigan certainly didn't abide by the rules by holding their contests before Super Tuesday. But because the results of their contests didn't count, they are allowed to hold a re-vote in the form of an election or a caucus under the DNC's terms. The DNC said "fine, but we don't want to pay for it." People in Florida and Michigan want to have a primary. They want their voices heard. We even have members on this forum who want their voices heard. But Obama's camp doesn't want to agree to a re-vote. Why? Is it because he's un-democratic? Is it because he knows he may very well lose both states? I don't know why Obama wants to disenfranchise millions and millions of voters so he can prove a point which doesn't even exist.

This man claims to be a uniter. But wait until he finds out how much he's divided MI and FL. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't enjoy losing elections. And it looks like we better get ready, because after election day, we'll be kicking ourselves real hard when the results come down to Michigan and we lose by 10% of the vote.

I can't wait.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Of course, if you guys have so many problems with Clinton actually playing the game and courting and making her case to super delegates as is part of the primary process, perhaps you would be more comfortable if the Democrats got rid of this ridiculous delegate sharing and super delegate system all together and simply made it winner takes all. In which case Clinton would have nearly 500 more delegates than Obama and once she wins PA it would be statistically impossible for Obama to catch up.

But then I'm sure you'd be *****ing that Clinton is winning without the popular vote.

You're suggesting that Hillary Clinton is playing by the rules? Seriously? You're saying that somehow this whole Michigan/Florida thing is an example of her being obedient to party stipulations?

You dissapointed me today.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

While you're on the subject of FL and MI, the reason why Obama deserves to be lambasted for this is because the man wants to silent two states because they want to abide by party rules.

Um, no. Correction: "They want to abide by the party rules" NOW. They flipped the rules off before when it was convenient for them, got reprimanded for it, and now want to make amends by escaping the consequences.

Say what you want about him, but Obama followed party rules from jump; you cannot dispute that.

 

[Matt]

You're suggesting that Hillary Clinton is playing by the rules? Seriously? You're saying that somehow this whole Michigan/Florida thing is an example of her being obedient to party stipulations?

You dissapointed me today.

It has already been explained (numerous times for that matter) how allowing Michigan and Florida to vote IS within the party rules.

Regardless of the motive, Clinton's end is far more Democratic and noble than Obama's attempt to keep 26 million Americans from having their voices heard because he knows he will lose the states. I'd say the same thing about Clinton if the roles were reversed and she was blocking the states. After the 2000 primary, the Democrats should know better.

 

[Matt]

Um, no. Correction: "They want to abide by the party rules" NOW. They flipped the rules off before when it was convenient for them, got reprimanded for it, and now want to make amends by escaping the consequences.

Say what you want about him, but Obama followed party rules from jump; you cannot dispute that.

I give Clinton credit for putting her name on the Michigan ballot. At least it gave her supporters a chance to have their voices heard, even if it would not count. I doubt that was her intention, but never the less, I give her credit for it.

And again, the Democratic Party rules do not prevent Florida and Michigan from revoting. The only one blocking that is Barack Obama.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

*sigh*

There are a LOT more variables involved with the preventions of the do-overs Matt--not simply Obama's "silence". Many of the other factors have nothing to do with him and are unique to the states' financial and ecomomic situations.

Come on now.

 

[Matt]

Not really. Florida, I will concede, is being stubborn.

Michigan however had a plan agreed upon. The legislature was prepared to allocate funding. The national party was fine with it. They simply wanted both candidates to sign off. Clinton agreed. Obama would not do so because it would require confirmation that you did not vote in the Republican primary (as many independents have) and it was all but guaranteed he would lose.

How can you really defend his actions in regards to Michigan LS? You know as well as I do that he blocked it.

 

[comicgirl]

Not really. Florida, I will concede, is being stubborn.

Michigan however had a plan agreed upon. The legislature was prepared to allocate funding. The national party was fine with it. They simply wanted both candidates to sign off. Clinton agreed. Obama would not do so because it would require confirmation that you did not vote in the Republican primary (as many independents have) and it was all but guaranteed he would lose.

How can you really defend his actions in regards to Michigan LS? You know as well as I do that he blocked it.

please quote your source re: MI.

 

[comicgirl]

Sinbad was her bodyguard.

Anyone want to guess why Lou Dobbs et. al. isn't talking about this?

 

[The Senator]

please quote your source re: MI.

This article talks in detail about the Democrats' plan for a re-vote, including the date which had been set:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...03-15_democrats_agree_on_michigan_doover.html

And this article talks about how the Republicans may be at an advantage because there won't be a re-vote:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5639458.html

And this article discusses why a do-over would hurt Obama, which I'm sure his campaign already knew and was the reason why it campaigned against it.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...8/db20080312_591049.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily

 

[The Senator]

Um, no. Correction: "They want to abide by the party rules" NOW. They flipped the rules off before when it was convenient for them, got reprimanded for it, and now want to make amends by escaping the consequences.

Say what you want about him, but Obama followed party rules from jump; you cannot dispute that.

Consequences? What consequences are they escaping?

Party rules state that states have the ability to hold re-votes as long as the votes from the original election were not counted. The ballots cast in Michigan in January weren't counted. Therefore, the state totally reserves the right to hold a re-vote if it wanted to.

The DNC approved of Michigan's plan, and Michigan said it was waiting on Obama's go ahead before it went ahead with it.

But, because Obama knew he would lose, he disagreed to it, and now it's off the table.

Rules are rules and those who break the rules deserve to be punished for them. But FL and MI didn't break any rules by holding a revote, as the re-vote falls within the stipulations set forth by the Democratic Party.

But, hey, if Obama is cool with throwing away 17 electoral votes, I'm cool with that. Maybe we can get a good president in office in four years.

 

[comicgirl]

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

sniff-sniff..........man, what is that smell. Kinda smells like bull****

 

[Varient]

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html

sniff-sniff..........man, what is that smell. Kinda smells like bull****

SMH.

Too dangerous for the president,... so send his wife???

 

[StorminNorman]

For weeks, the Barack Obama campaign has warned that Hillary Clinton would try to use her ties to the Democratic establishment to muscle 'super delegates' into backing her presidential bid, overriding a popular vote majority and Obama's plurality of pledged delegates elected in primaries and caucuses.

Now, however, as Obama has gained steadily in the polls, the Clinton campaign has reversed field. Top Clinton aides are pleading with uncommitted super delegates to hold off making any commitments, fearful that any commitments they make would be to back Obama, not Clinton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/27/clinton-camp-presses-supe_n_88640.html



sure, that's fair........................

You do realize that Obama has spent more money on Super Delegats than Hillary has, yes?

Obama has payed many delegates almost a million dollars each. Yes - thats really fair

The way the Democrat Party chooses its candidates is fundamentally corrupt.

 

[rdh007]

Anyone want to guess why Lou Dobbs et. al. isn't talking about this?

A) Because they work for the Clinton Media Machine?
B) Because it's irrelevant?
C) Because she's talking about a trip that wasn't videotaped? A different trip altogether?
D) Because SNL told them to pick on Obama for a while instead?

 

[comicgirl]

A) Because they work for the Clinton Media Machine?
B) Because it's irrelevant?
C) Because she's talking about a trip that wasn't videotaped? A different trip altogether?
D) Because SNL told them to pick on Obama for a while instead?

How lame is it to be blown out of the water by Sinbad

 

[Rated-X]

Please you all are just "Hillary Bashers". A CBS reporter confirms Hillary's sniper-fire account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

 

[comicgirl]

It's Hill vs. The Electorial College!

Hillary Calls For End To Electoral College
New York Senator-Elect Made Comments During Upstate Victory Tour
ALBANY, New York, Nov. 20, 2000

Senator-elect Hillary Rodham Clinton began a victory tour of upstate New York Friday by calling for elimination of the Electoral College.

"We are a very different country than we were 200 years ago," Clinton said. "I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/10/politics/main248645.shtml


Or is it??

Clinton Backer Points to Electoral College Votes as New Measure
Published: March 24, 2008

Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, proposed another gauge Sunday by which superdelegates might judge whether to support Mrs. Clinton or Senator Barack Obama.

In a primary, of course, electoral votes are not relevant, but the Clinton campaign is trying to use them as an unofficial measure of strength.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/us/politics/24campaign.html?em&ex=1206504000&en=8acccf15af9d0f06&ei=5087%0A


Ok, let's all share this WTF moment. Away with the electorial college....unless it helps me.


They want what they want, and as for the rest of it: They don't care. - Bill Richardson

 

[Matt]

The Electoral College is a neccessary evil.

 

[comicgirl]

Please you all are just "Hillary Bashers". A CBS reporter confirms Hillary's sniper-fire account.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

I believe Sinbad!