The Clinton Thread

[The Senator]

Ferraro was irrelevant then.......remains so now

Um, she was quite relevant in 1984. She was the first woman selected as a major party's Vice Presidential nominee. Though she didn't win, and was quite an awful candidate, the fact that it was her who broke that so-called "glass ceiling" in politics first makes her a very important political figure, stupid comments aside...

 

[comicgirl]

I just think it is disgusting that Clinton will not condemn Ferraro for her racist comments. Ferraro was just on Fox News claiming that she was the victim!!

What's funny is that the HRC camp demanded that Samantha Powers resign, and then demanded that we ignore what Ferraro says. Hillary demands that Obama "reject and denounce" the statements of Louis Farrakhan--a person who isn't even connected to his campaign--but then she refuses to "reject" and/or "denounce" the statements of someone on her campaign.

If these are not double-standards, I don't know what is.

'course. But, god forbid that Hillary bites the hand raising $$ for her. sickening.

 

[The Senator]

I just think it is disgusting that Clinton will not condemn Ferraro for her racist comments. Ferraro was just on Fox News claiming that she was the victim!!

Her comments aren't racist. She didn't say "Obama will be an awful President because he's black." She said she didn't think he'd be where he is because he's black. And her statement had a lot of truth to it, as idiotic as it was for her to say it.

Should she have said it? Absolutely not. Should Clinton condemn it? Yes. Is it racist? Hardly.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Is it racist? Hardly.

Um...no offense but...aren't you white? If so, how can you determine what is offensive to people of color?

It seems easy for some white people to brush off such comments as inconsequential...perhaps too easy. But such ones seem to be forgetting that the only major difference between this man and any other major contender for the White House bid is his skin color.

And Ms. Ferarro "denounced" him based on that difference, basically stating that his intelligence and ability to run an organization are rendered moot because of his skin color. Do you realize how stupid that line of reasoning is?

 

[The Senator]

Um...no offense but...aren't you white? If so, how can you determine what is offensive to people of color?

It seems easy for some white people to brush off such comments as inconsequential...perhaps too easy. But such ones seem to be forgetting that the only major difference between this man and any other major contender for the White House bid is his skin color.

And Ms. Ferarro "denounced" him based on that difference, basically stating that his intelligence and ability to run an organization are rendered moot because of his skin color. Do you realize how stupid that line of reasoning is?

I really want to know where the line is suppose to get drawn in this race. The way Ferraro said her comments was disgusting, and very stupid on her behalf. But seriously, she raises a valid point. A lot of Obama's support is drawn on racial lines. It isn't that hard to see-- take a look at the exit polls from Mississippi and point out where the majority of African-American voters chose Clinton. There are a lot of people who are voting for Obama because he's black, and a lot of people who are voting for Clinton because she is a woman. But it seems like there's a huge double standard when it comes to pointing out some of these facts. Everyone can say "oh, well, Hillary only has this base of support because she's a woman." But as soon as someone even mentions that a voter may like Obama because he's an African American, that person is a 'racist.'

Now, the majority of Obama's support does come from organization and some of it probably even comes from message. Same thing with Clinton. But I think a lot of people identify with Obama based on skin color or heritage, just as a lot of people won't vote for Obama because he's black. I think there are two extremes there, and I think Ferraro in all her stupidity said something which had a lot of depth, but she said it in a way which was really, really wrong.

Bottom line: Geraldine Ferraro shouldn't have said what she had said. Clinton should denounce her. And people should stop trying to peg this old lady as the next David Duke.

 

[Marx]

Um...no offense but...aren't you white? If so, how can you determine what is offensive to people of color?

It seems easy for some white people to brush off such comments as inconsequential...perhaps too easy. But such ones seem to be forgetting that the only major difference between this man and any other major contender for the White House bid is his skin color.

And Ms. Ferarro "denounced" him based on that difference, basically stating that his intelligence and ability to run an organization are rendered moot because of his skin color. Do you realize how stupid that line of reasoning is?

To Jman's defense, he said that she shouldn't have said it. And with all due respect, it's not like actual voters aren't talking like this. There is such a thing as "saying what the people are thinking." Do I think she should have said it? No. Clinton has already come out as said that she does not agree with the comments and thinks that they were ridiculous.

 

[Marx]

I really want to know where the line is suppose to get drawn in this race. The way Ferraro said her comments was disgusting, and very stupid on her behalf. But seriously, she raises a valid point. A lot of Obama's support is drawn on racial lines. It isn't that hard to see-- take a look at the exit polls from Mississippi and point out where the majority of African-American voters chose Clinton. There are a lot of people who are voting for Obama because he's black, and a lot of people who are voting for Clinton because she is a woman. But it seems like there's a huge double standard when it comes to pointing out some of these facts. Everyone can say "oh, well, Hillary only has this base of support because she's a woman." But as soon as someone even mentions that a voter may like Obama because he's an African American, that person is a 'racist.'

Now, the majority of Obama's support does come from organization and some of it probably even comes from message. Same thing with Clinton. But I think a lot of people identify with Obama based on skin color or heritage, just as a lot of people won't vote for Obama because he's black. I think there are two extremes there, and I think Ferraro in all her stupidity said something which had a lot of depth, but she said it in a way which was really, really wrong.

Bottom line: Geraldine Ferraro shouldn't have said what she had said. Clinton should denounce her. And people should stop trying to peg this old lady as the next David Duke.

Exactly. I see a double standard too. I've raised this topic a couple of times. It seems to be more ok to be sexist than racist.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

To me, the way Geraldine said it, reeked of disdain. In my opinion--as a man of mixed heritage--I seem to sense racial overtones in it.

And I think the TIMING of such comments cannot be denied. They are going into Penn., a state that is known for having serious gripes with affirmative action, etc. What better way to taint the minds of already-wary white voters than with comments like this?

I'm telling you: There is a method to this madness.

 

[Marx]

To me, the way Geraldine said it, reeked of disdain. In my opinion--as a man of mixed heritage--I seem to sense racial overtones in it.

And I think the TIMING of such comments cannot be denied. They are going into Penn., a state that is known for having serious gripes with affirmative action, etc. What better way to taint the minds of already-wary white voters than with comments like this?

I'm telling you: There is a method to this madness.

Are you suggesting that Clinton was behind it? Or this is just another one of those supporters that BOTH candidates have that speak their minds?

 

[Excel]

I am black and I don't care if it was racism or not (in actually it was more of a compliment to blacks, but w/e) but shes an idiot to even bring it up. Just because hes black doesnt give him some unfair advantage, we're all equal you know. So try and discredit what obama and his people have done and dismiss it as people liking his skin color, well thats just ********.

 

[Excel]

Are you suggesting that Clinton was behind it? Or this is just another one of those supporters that BOTH candidates have that speak their minds?

I no for a fact Hillarys not behind...she might agree but shed never publically accept it...I am sure she was PISSED when she heard because remember the last time a powerful ally of hers-bill-made remarks the media deemed racist and ran with it?

this is a horrible way for her to start off the pennsylvania campaign.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Are you suggesting that Clinton was behind it?

The way how Hillary deals with her going forward will tell the tale.

But I don't think the timing of this in conjunction with the primaries for Mississippi and Pennsylvania is coincidental.

 

[Marx]

I no for a fact Hillarys not behind...she might agree but shed never publically accept it...I am sure she was PISSED when she heard because remember the last time a powerful ally of hers-bill-made remarks the media deemed racist and ran with it?

this is a horrible way for her to start off the pennsylvania campaign.

I don't believe Clinton was behind it at all. I think Ferraro is just another one of those supporters that both campaigns have. The longer this goes, the tighter the race is, the more and more tensions will arise. I truthfully don't see her comments being racist. (But I'm not African-American.) I just think there are far worse things she could have said.

 

[Excel]

As I said, in reality her comments were more a of a compliment, saying our skin color is very powerful, which in fact would be the opposite of racism. But again, she is trying to make Obama out to be less than what he is and take credit for what he and his camapign have done.

 

[Excel]

The way how Hillary deals with her going forward will tell the tale.

But I don't think the timing of this in conjunction with the primaries for Mississippi and Pennsylvania is coincidental.

Gotta dissagree, after the effect the MLK crap had in SC, theres no way shed want to start her Pennsylvania campaign out like this.

 

[comicgirl]

As I said, in reality her comments were more a of a compliment, saying our skin color is very powerful, which in fact would be the opposite of racism. But again, she is trying to make Obama out to be less than what he is and take credit for what he and his camapign have done.

The sad thing is that this is the only way the Clintons can win. By further dividing and separating the US.

How about seperate drinking fountains and toilets. Water hoses and attack dogs, all for Hillary! YES SHE CAN! YES SHE CAN

 

[redfirebird2008]

I don't believe Clinton was behind it at all. I think Ferraro is just another one of those supporters that both campaigns have. The longer this goes, the tighter the race is, the more and more tensions will arise. I truthfully don't see her comments being racist. (But I'm not African-American.) I just think there are far worse things she could have said.

She said the exact same thing about Jesse Jackson in 1988. It's a pattern and I do believe there's racial junk in there. I'm a white person and I'm sick of whites using the whole affirmative action thing to try to demean someone like Obama who is a brilliant man that has worked his ass off to get where he is. There's nothing "lucky" about being born as a black male in this country, not with all the ridiculous profiling that goes on. I had a friend get kicked out of the Air Force Academy because a drunk white girl fell down some stairs at a party and blamed it on him and some other black football players. Every one of them was kicked out of the Academy, no questions asked. This is a guy that was in AP classes in high school, worked his tail off both on the football field and in the classroom to make it to the Air Force Academy, and then something like that happens and typical racial junk comes up.

 

[Zen]

I really want to know where the line is suppose to get drawn in this race. The way Ferraro said her comments was disgusting, and very stupid on her behalf. But seriously, she raises a valid point. A lot of Obama's support is drawn on racial lines. It isn't that hard to see-- take a look at the exit polls from Mississippi and point out where the majority of African-American voters chose Clinton. There are a lot of people who are voting for Obama because he's black, and a lot of people who are voting for Clinton because she is a woman. But it seems like there's a huge double standard when it comes to pointing out some of these facts. Everyone can say "oh, well, Hillary only has this base of support because she's a woman." But as soon as someone even mentions that a voter may like Obama because he's an African American, that person is a 'racist.'

Now, the majority of Obama's support does come from organization and some of it probably even comes from message. Same thing with Clinton. But I think a lot of people identify with Obama based on skin color or heritage, just as a lot of people won't vote for Obama because he's black. I think there are two extremes there, and I think Ferraro in all her stupidity said something which had a lot of depth, but she said it in a way which was really, really wrong.

Bottom line: Geraldine Ferraro shouldn't have said what she had said. Clinton should denounce her. And people should stop trying to peg this old lady as the next David Duke.

Racial Lines are you serious?

everything else you've said, as many or your points, has plenty of merit but racial lines?

look at Iowa... where were the black folk giving him that state?

the facts are hes getting a serious amount of the white vote... and among white men, i believe he has a national majority.

and prior to South Carolina... national polls had blacks split on Obama because many of them didnt see him as electable, they were not fired up.

Obama's support was founded on White Voters... he has Momentum now... which has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his speaking skills and his organization.

thats the way i see it anyway.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I just think it is disgusting that Clinton will not condemn Ferraro for her racist comments. Ferraro was just on Fox News claiming that she was the victim!!

she refuses to "reject" and/or "denounce" the statements of someone on her campaign.

I edited the quote to reply to what i thought was most important. I think Clinton isn't demanding an apology or to say she's sorry because if she does..some might think she's soft and will vote for Obama. That's why i think she is just ignoring the comments by Ferraro,Clinton needs all the support she can get..and alienating even more isn't the way to go.

 

[Zen]

I edited the quote to reply to what i thought was most important. I think Clinton isn't demanding an apology or to say she's sorry because if she does..some might think she's soft and will vote for Obama. That's why i think she is just ignoring the comments by Ferraro,Clinton needs all the support she can get..and alienating even more isn't the way to go.

in the vein of Bush staying the course and never admitting wrongs...

do you think this is a good strategy risking a parrallel?

 

[comicgirl]

Racial Lines are you serious?

everything else you've said, as many or your points, has plenty of merit but racial lines?

look at Iowa... where were the black folk giving him that state?

the facts are hes getting a serious amount of the white vote... and among white men, i believe he has a national majority.

and prior to South Carolina... national polls had blacks split on Obama because many of them didnt see him as electable, they were not fired up.

Obama's support was founded on White Voters... he has Momentum now... which has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his speaking skills and his organization.

thats the way i see it anyway.

supposedly, that was all just a fluke.



NO MORE DRAMA - VOTE OBAMA

 

[Demon Within]

Would and/or could Obama run as an indepedant like Lieberman did for the seat in Conn? If he did, what are the chances he would win?

 

[Malice]

he absolutely could, and he would be damaging to the Democratic ticket.

If he would run, you could basically give McCain the presidency

 

[Demon Within]

he absolutely could, and he would be damaging to the Democratic ticket.

If he would run, you could basically give McCain the presidency

hmmmm. I dont think McCain has enough support from his own party to win no matter what happens. Im a Republican and I refuse to vote for him and iv heard many others say the same. I plan on voting Obama but if he doesnt get the nod im screwed. Heres hoping he deflies the dems if they screw him and goes indy.

 

[Malice]

hmmmm. I dont think McCain has enough support from his own party to win no matter what happens. Im a Republican and I refuse to vote for him and iv heard many others say the same. I plan on voting Obama but if he doesnt get the nod im screwed. Heres hoping he deflies the dems if they screw him and goes indy.

I have some probs with McCain myself, but I hate ALL the policies of Hillary and Obama.

But I think Obama would siphon off so much from Hillary, that McCain would easilly have the election. He doesnt have to get 51%, he just needs to get more then both Hillary and Obama.

If Obama does split and run Independent....the Dem party will implode.