The Clinton Thread

[Super_Ludacris]

There is a good chance Obama could turn out like Carter.

A young, well intentioned, Washington outsider who really isn't qualified to be President, but captures it in the midst of controversy (for Carter it was the pardoning of Nixon, for Obama it will be the Bush administration in general). They take office during troubling times and their tenure in office reflects that they had no business being president, especially in such complicated times. This allows for a charasmatic, conservative Republican (in Carter's case, Reagan, Bobby Jindal could possibly be this to Barack Obama) to come out of no where and beat them and lead to several years of Republican control (1981 - 2006)

Given how much different political landscape is in 2008 and people's perceptions about the world (including the Middle East), I dont neccessairly see how this is 1980 all over again either though.

 

[The Senator]

Dont worry cause if people think of Obama and Carter as that, then regardless, the democrats are never getting a guaruntee of 8-16 years unless we have a Liberman type democratic......who's not jewish, lol.

We have plenty of those. Only thing is, their names aren't Hillary or Obama, so no one knows who they are.

All of the candidates I listed above are moderates. Neither too liberal, nor too conservative, which is exactly where 2/3 of the electorate lies politically. They'd all make excellent VPs as well, and if they ran for President, they would be able to get elected barring a scandal or outside circumstances such as a Perot-like figure.

 

[The Senator]

Given how much different political landscape is in 2008 and people's perceptions about the world (including the Middle East), I dont neccessairly see how this is 1980 all over again either though.

The political landscape isn't much different.

Instead of the Cold War and communism, we have the Iraq war and terrorism.

The economy is in the ****ter, oil prices are skyrocketing, and Americans are disenchanted with their government.

What's better is that the candidates mirror those who ran in the 1976 election, when Carter was first elected. Instead of an outsider like Carter, we're running an 'outsider' like Obama. Gerald Ford was well established and respected within his own party and nationally. He was also detested by many inside the GOP and out as well-- much like McCain.

This is becoming a remake of the 1976 election. I only hope the sequel isn't as bad as the original's-- or that the same situation plays out, except under McCain.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'd rather wait 4-8 years and be guaranteed the Presidency for 8-16 years than elect an inexperienced demagogue who will be defeated in four and make it exceptionally hard for Democrats to run strong candidates in the future.

I have a gut feeling that Obama will be another Jimmy Carter, and that we'll be swearing in President Romney in 2013.

yeah, it's not like anything could fantistically wrong in 4 years.
and yeah, Obama totally exudes a Jimmy carter vibe.

 

[The Senator]

yeah, it's not like anything could fantistically wrong in 4 years.

Anything can go fantastically wrong under any president, so the idea that Barack Obama's presidency would be a cakewalk while McCain would harbor nuclear war or mass disaster is entirely laughable.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Anything can go fantastically wrong under any president, so the idea that Barack Obama's presidency would be a cakewalk while McCain would harbor nuclear war or mass disaster is entirely laughable.

it's good nobody presented that idea then isn't it?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This is going to be delicious, mouthwatering fodder for the Republicans if Hillary becomes the nominee. Her so-called "experience" platform is crumbling by the day. And her "I lied once in 12 years and even I'm human occasionally" statement speaks volumes about the way she views herself--and the rest of us...who are "human" full-time.

Also, if I can be totally shallow for a moment: I am sick and tired of the Bumblebee yellow pants suit jacket she keeps wearing. Hillary, there is more to life, babe. Wardrobe!!

 

[kainedamo]

Are people really going to vote in this liar?

It's funny how people are over here. Before the Iraq war, we were like "going into Iraq would totally be the wrong thing to do but they're gonna do it".

And now it's like, "Obama is totally the right guy to change America's image, but they're gonna elect that liar ass Hilary".

 

[rdh007]

They both are liars.

One didn't know what his pastor/mentor/friend believed in for 20 years
and this one was ducking gunfire while on a dangerous mission.

In fairness, all three are. McCain lied about Romney throughout the primary.

 

[Chris B]

I'd go a step further in that I feel that if John McCain is elected President this year, Mark Warner will be the Democratic nominee come 2012 with someone like Russ Feingold or Sherrod Brown as his running mate.

After losing three elections in a row (all of which should've been easy victories) I think the party would nominate a genuine moderate. Warner would have to f**k up royally not to get it, IMO. But he would need to find someone to ideologically balance the ticket and there is where Feingold or Brown comes in.

 

[lazur]

It's Hill vs. The Electorial College!

I would like to think that any person running for any elected office, much more so for the Presidency, understands that the United States is *not* a 'democracy', and was never intended to be one. The United States is a 'representative REPUBLIC'.

This should (but won't) disqualify her for the Presidency.

 

[The Senator]

I would like to think that any person running for any elected office, much more so for the Presidency, understands that the United States is *not* a 'democracy', and was never intended to be one. The United States is a 'representative REPUBLIC'.

This should (but won't) disqualify her for the Presidency.

Obama should be disqualified from the Presidency as well, considering he thinks he'll be able to accomplish anything he wants simply because he'll be president

 

[comicgirl]

Obama loses the electoral college, too.... so any idea that Obama is leading is completely false....

Hillary can spin all she wants............she's not leading...period.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

The political landscape isn't much different.

Instead of the Cold War and communism, we have the Iraq war and terrorism.

The economy is in the ****ter, oil prices are skyrocketing, and Americans are disenchanted with their government.

What's better is that the candidates mirror those who ran in the 1976 election, when Carter was first elected. Instead of an outsider like Carter, we're running an 'outsider' like Obama. Gerald Ford was well established and respected within his own party and nationally. He was also detested by many inside the GOP and out as well-- much like McCain.

This is becoming a remake of the 1976 election. I only hope the sequel isn't as bad as the original's-- or that the same situation plays out, except under McCain.

One thing Iraq and the whole war on terrorisim has done is have the international policies. Some people were even saying this of 9/11. So I welcome any change. Most people internationally are looking at Obama anyway. So I can roll with the new rather than anything old.

The main thing is mending international relations and someone and the growing feeling even with our allies that our policies havent been working is why I think Obama can do a good job. Added to the fact that we are seeing new changes key international Governments (Pakistan's recently newly elected PM is a big factor) , means we are seeing a change.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Obama should be disqualified from the Presidency as well, considering he thinks he'll be able to accomplish anything he wants simply because he'll be president

Hilary thinks she can do the same even when not being President. When it comes to getting this nomination, shes on some Daffy Duck "Its Miiiine, all Mine. I want it!" type flext:t:

 

[comicgirl]

Hilary thinks she can do the same even when not being President. When it comes to getting this nomination, shes on some Daffy Duck "Its Miiiine, all Mine. I want it!" type flext:t:

It's pre-ordained


They want what they want, and as for the rest of it: They don't care. - Bill Richardson
You go, Richardson!!

 

[Super_Ludacris]

CNN is killing Clinton right now for this lol

 

[The Senator]

Hilary thinks she can do the same even when not being President. When it comes to getting this nomination, shes on some Daffy Duck "Its Miiiine, all Mine. I want it!" type flext:t:

Hillary Clinton has at least acknowledged that she would face an uphill battle in the Senate, considering the Republicans have blocking power. Obama is the most liberal member in the Senate, yet he thinks he will be able to pass everything he wants to because a handful of Republicans have voted for him this primary season. Clinton has a few policies she seems to be adamantly for, such as healthcare, which she thinks will be passed overnight. Obviously that's false. But Obama and his supporters think the moment this man is elected, he'll change the world the moment he puts his hand on the Bible and says "I, Barack Obama..."

 

[The Senator]

One thing Iraq and the whole war on terrorisim has done is have the international policies. Some people were even saying this of 9/11. So I welcome any change. Most people internationally are looking at Obama anyway. So I can roll with the new rather than anything old.

People internationally are looking at all three candidates. If you want to talk about the person who has an edge with the international community, that would be John McCain, considering he's the only one of the three who has taken the time to meet with international leaders and discuss his foreign policy agenda. From what I've read in the media, he has been received warmly.

The main thing is mending international relations and someone and the growing feeling even with our allies that our policies havent been working is why I think Obama can do a good job. Added to the fact that we are seeing new changes key international Governments (Pakistan's recently newly elected PM is a big factor) , means we are seeing a change.

What has Obama done to prove that he can work with the international community? What has he done as evidence that the international community loves him? There's no evidence to suggest that Obama or Clinton or McCain will bring any change overseas, neither is there evidence against it.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

People internationally are looking at all three candidates. If you want to talk about the person who has an edge with the international community, that would be John McCain, considering he's the only one of the three who has taken the time to meet with international leaders and discuss his foreign policy agenda. From what I've read in the media, he has been received warmly.

I was just in London on a business trip, Its Barack, theres a lotta popularity and talk for him in the papers the last few months.No one is checking for McCain like that I think Europeans and most of the international community still have some issues with that party...

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Hillary Clinton has at least acknowledged that she would face an uphill battle in the Senate, considering the Republicans have blocking power. Obama is the most liberal member in the Senate, yet he thinks he will be able to pass everything he wants to because a handful of Republicans have voted for him this primary season. Clinton has a few policies she seems to be adamantly for, such as healthcare, which she thinks will be passed overnight. Obviously that's false. But Obama and his supporters think the moment this man is elected, he'll change the world the moment he puts his hand on the Bible and says "I, Barack Obama..."

And you wanna vote for her anyway? Just vote for McCain then lol

 

[The Senator]

And you wanna vote for her anyway? Just vote for McCain then lol

So, you want to vote for Obama because he outright lies to you, saying that he'll be able to work on bi-partisan legislation when most, if not all, Republicans will work to block his agenda?

 

[The Senator]

I was just in London on a business trip, Its Barack, theres a lotta popularity and talk for him in the papers the last few months.No one is checking for McCain like that I think Europeans and most of the international community still have some issues with that party...

Can you name the two main parties in the British Parliament? Probably not. I don't think the international community gives one damn or another about which party the candidate belongs to, when they probably can't name the top two political parties in the U.S.. Or at least, I know people in France don't care.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

So, you want to vote for Obama because he outright lies to you, saying that he'll be able to work on bi-partisan legislation when most, if not all, Republicans will work to block his agenda?

I mean Hilary just did about Bosinia and your still hot for her lol

 

[The Senator]

I mean Hilary just did about Bosinia and your still hot for her lol

First, I didn't know about the Bosnia incident until this came out a few days ago.

Second, I don't care what she said about some trip to Bosnia, versus what actually happened. I'm voting for President, not judging someone because they tailored a story about being under gunfire. Besides, it was when she was First Lady... and from what I understand, her experience as First Lady doesn't matter at all (or at least, that's what Obama supporters have said).

Third, I'm voting for someone based on what he or she will do in the future. When Obama says something such as 'we're going to pass bipartisan legislation' when he's not only the most liberal member in the Senate, but has no record whatsoever of working on a major bipartisan bill, he's flat out lying in voters' faces. He can't be that much of an outsider to not know how his own workplace works. He's just as guilty of being a fraud as Hillary Clinton is.