The Clinton Thread

[Tron5000]

Can you tell me what she didn't accomplish?

Lets say she didn't get **** done. People were still fighting, going hungry, forced out of their homes etc. Again, she was there to try to help people, not for vacation, not for fun, you don't go to Bosnia in 1996 for kicks and giggles. She was there, trying to help people, be it our soldiers on the ground or the people of Bosnia. It was a relief effort trip. I guess sitting there and doing nothing would be better right? Since apparently, Obama can get away with that.

So can you tell me how any of the above in any way at all qualifies her to lead this nation of 300 million people?

"Can you tell me what she didn't accomplish?" Tell me that was not meant to be a serious question...

 

[Tron5000]

I'm sure there are relief workers in Bosnia that have done infinitely more than Hillary Rodham to help the people suffering there. Should we put them atop the 2012 ballot?

Edit: And by the way, "our soldiers on the ground" are apparently very offended by the lies that Hillary has been spouting about her Bosnia trip.

 

[Darthphere]

So can you tell me how any of the above in any way at all qualifies her to lead this nation of 300 million people?

"Can you tell me what she didn't accomplish?" Tell me that was not meant to be a serious question...

Oh it was a serious question. Since you're all about questioning her credibility and all that, tell me exactly why her trip to Bosnia is irrelevant. I'm here answering your questions, answer mine.

I'm sure there are relief workers in Bosnia that have done infinitely more than Hillary Rodham to help the people suffering there. Should we put them atop the 2012 ballot?

You're really reaching here and it shows your utter lack of credibility in your argument. If they're an American born citizen, over the age of 35, and have been a resident of any state for 14 years, then sure why not. They can run for President.

EDIT: Responding to your edit, they have every right to be, but not to take their opinions lightly or ignore them, but it's really irrelevant to what I'm arguing here. Soldiers tend to be sensitive about things like that.

 

[Tron5000]

Oh it was a serious question. Since you're all about questioning her credibility and all that, tell me exactly why her trip to Bosnia is irrelevant. I'm here answering your questions, answer mine.



You're really reaching here and it shows your utter lack of credibility in your argument. If they're an American born citizen, over the age of 35, and have been a resident of any state for 14 years, then sure why not. They can run for President.

EDIT: Responding to your edit, they have every right to be, but not to take their opinions lightly or ignore them, but it's really irrelevant to what I'm arguing here. Soldiers tend to be sensitive about things like that.

Yes, soldiers to tend to be sensitive about someone making up a story for political gain when the soldiers are experiencing those horrors every day, and losing their friends and fellow soldiers to sniper fire. Yeah, I would probably also be a bit "sensitive" of someone making up these fantastic stories if I were going through those things on a regular basis.

I never said her trip was "irrelevant." I said it doesn't qualify her to run this country, as you apparently think it does.

The reason I didn't answer your question at first is that you posted it in response to my query, as a way of not addressing it. So I ask again: what did she accomplish on her trip to Bosnia?

 

[Matt]

How the hell does going to Bosnia qualify you for the highest office in the land? And you accuse ME of "ridiculous logic"?

The same way making a pretty speech about the Iraq War in 2002 qualifies Barack Obama to be president.

The fact is, both candidates are horribly unqualified for the job.

 

[Kent]

Oh it was a serious question. Since you're all about questioning her credibility and all that, tell me exactly why her trip to Bosnia is irrelevant. I'm here answering your questions, answer mine.

^ Oh come on. Your post exclaiming "SHE STILL WENT TO BOSNIA" and implying this has relevance to how qualified she is to be president makes you the one making a positive claim, and as so it is up to you to back it up.

If I claim I have superpowers it is up to me to demonstrate that I have them, not up to you do demonstrate that I do not. No one has to buy into any positive claim without evidence, or we'd have to believe in all sorts of crazy nonsense.

EDIT: Wait. A lot of posts showed up while I typed this. There. Fixed.

 

[Darthphere]

Yes, soldiers to tend to be sensitive about someone making up a story for political gain when the soldiers are experiencing those horrors every day, and losing their friends and fellow soldiers to sniper fire. Yeah, I would probably also be a bit "sensitive" of someone making up these fantastic stories if I were going through those things on a regular basis.

Wow, I love you took me using the word "sensitive" and made it seem like I used it in a negative connotation. Good work at that spin, you could work for Fox news with those skills. Again, she lied, they deserve to be angry, doesn't remove the fact that Bosnia was a dangerous place to go at the time but yes, she exaggerated the danger. I don't see anyone discrediting all those Senators who go to Iraq and walk through open markets. IMO, that takes some balls, and Hillary has balls. Of course, any time a politician does anything like that, the danger is not going to be that apparent. She messed up with her sniper fire story, still doesn't remove the fact that she went.

I never said her trip was "irrelevant." I said it doesn't qualify her to run this country, as you apparently think it does.

Not alone it doesn't, but it gives her more credibility than Obama. Obama's campaign has been hell bent on destroying Hillary's experience claims but have done nothing to showcase any experience Obama has. Why? Because he doesn't have any, and all those Obama supporters just eat everything up when it comes to Obama. Hillary has traveled the world, talked to world leaders, been involved in resolving conflicts (albeit, you could argue how much of an influence she had in any of those talks) but just being in the room is an accomplishment enough. Sitting there while the Manhattan Project was going doesn't make you a nuclear scientist, but it does give you some insight into whats going on. Yes, I'm sticking to that analogy.

The reason I didn't answer your question at first is that you posted it in response to my query, as a way of not addressing it. So I ask again: what did she accomplish on her trip to Bosnia?

Apparently nothing because they were still fighting for years afterward. But she tried to do something.

 

[Darthphere]

^ Oh come on. Your post exclaiming "SHE STILL WENT TO BOSNIA" and implying this has relevance to how qualified she is to be president makes you the one making a positive claim, and as so it is up to you to back it up.

If I claim I have superpowers it is up to me to demonstrate that I have them, not up to you do demonstrate that I do not. No one has to buy into any positive claim without evidence, or we'd have to believe in all sorts of crazy nonsense.

EDIT: Wait. A lot of posts showed up while I typed this. There. Fixed.

Yes, you're slow.

 

[Tron5000]

Wow, I love you took me using the word "sensitive" and made it seem like I used it in a negative connotation. Good work at that spin, you could work for Fox news with those skills. Again, she lied, they deserve to be angry, doesn't remove the fact that Bosnia was a dangerous place to go at the time but yes, she exaggerated the danger. I don't see anyone discrediting all those Senators who go to Iraq and walk through open markets. IMO, that takes some balls, and Hillary has balls. Of course, any time a politician does anything like that, the danger is not going to be that apparent. She messed up with her sniper fire story, still doesn't remove the fact that she went.



Not alone it doesn't, but it gives her more credibility than Obama. Obama's campaign has been hell bent on destroying Hillary's experience claims but have done nothing to showcase any experience Obama has. Why? Because he doesn't have any, and all those Obama supporters just eat everything up when it comes to Obama. Hillary has traveled the world, talked to world leaders, been involved in resolving conflicts (albeit, you could argue how much of an influence she had in any of those talks) but just being in the room is an accomplishment enough. Sitting there while the Manhattan Project was going doesn't make you a nuclear scientist, but it does give you some insight into whats going on. Yes, I'm sticking to that analogy.



Apparently nothing because they were still fighting for years afterward. But she tried to do something.

Hey, you used the word "sensitive." I was merely quoting you.

And she didn't merely exaggerate the danger. She blatantly lied about her experience, and in doing so made light of those that actually have been shot at and killed by sniper fire.

You may feel that her trip gives her "credibility," but any that she gained from her trip was lost the moment she outright falsified the facts surrounding her trip.

 

[Darthphere]

Hey, you used the word "sensitive." I was merely quoting you.

And she didn't merely exaggerate the danger. She blatantly lied about her experience, and in doing so made light of those that actually have been shot at and killed by sniper fire.

You may feel that her trip gives her "credibility," but any that she gained from her trip was lost the moment she outright falsified the facts surrounding her trip.

Well if you believe the spin her campaign is doing now where she actually meant there was sniper fire in the surrounding hills maybe. But yeah, she messed up with the running with her head ducked down into the car and the lack of an opening ceremony. Again, I'm not defending her outright lies.

A trip is a trip though. I went to Key West last weekend and told everyone I caught a marlin, which I didn't, does that mean I really didn't go to Key West? Of course not. Does it show her to be a liar, of course. It was a stupid lie and a horrible mistake on her part. Doesn't change the fact that she was there, at least to me.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Why would anyone lie like that in the age of 24 hour news networks and YouTube, you know it's gonna bite you in the @$$.

 

[jaguarr]

If you've been following the news, you're aware that Hillary has been questioned on and accused of embellishing some of her foreign affairs experiences, one such topic being an experience she's claimed she had in Bosnia where she said she had to dodge sniper fire upon arriving. I just found this little bit piece amusing and thought I'd share:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-says-8yearold-b_b_93485.html


Hillary Says 8-Year-Old Bosnian Girl Was Actually Sniper

Posted March 26, 2008 | 11:05 AM (EST)

Accused in recent days of embellishing her story of a brush with sniper fire in Bosnia, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton today said "don't be fooled" by photos showing her being greeted at the airport by a pony-tailed 8-year-old Bosnian girl with a bouquet of flowers.

"That was no little girl," Sen. Clinton told reporters in Gary, Indiana. "That was a covert ops midget sniper."

The New York senator said that moments after the "so-called little girl" presented her with the flowers, she revealed what the bouquet had been hiding: "a tiny semi-automatic weapon."

"Fortunately, I had the presence of mind to use some of the Tae Kwon Do techniques I had learned in preparation for the Northern Ireland peace talks," she said.

Defending his wife against charges that she had yet again fabricated her exploits while First Lady, former President Bill Clinton told CNN's John King that "Democratic voters have a clear choice this election: do they want a liar or a plagiarist?"

"Hillary tells some real whoppers, but at least they're original," he said.

In response to a question about whether he believes his wife's account of the events in Bosnia, Mr. Clinton said, "All I have to say about that is Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright."

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site, BorowitzReport.com. He is the host of "Countdown to '08" at the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, May 13 at 8 PM with his special guests Calvin Trillin (The New Yorker), Susie Essman (HBO's Curb Your Enthusiasm) and Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, MSNBC). For tickets, go to 92y.org.




jag

 

[Kelly]

Yeah, we have a thread on it.......*sighs*

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I really want to know where the line is suppose to get drawn in this race. The way Ferraro said her comments was disgusting, and very stupid on her behalf. But seriously, she raises a valid point.

unlike wright who is just a stupid racist anti-american! right?
right?

I hate him soooooo much.

 

[The Senator]

unlike wright who is just a stupid racist anti-american! right?
right?

I hate him soooooo much.

You're responding to a post I made two weeks ago. I've debated this in another thread; take it there.

 

[jaguarr]

You're responding to a post I made two weeks ago. I've debated this in another thread; take it there.

Hey, settle down. We don't want you getting carried away and hurting someone with your Tae Kwan Do techniques.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

Posted this in the Clinton thread, but this one is probably even more appropriate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-says-8yearold-b_b_93485.html


Hillary Says 8-Year-Old Bosnian Girl Was Actually Sniper

Posted March 26, 2008 | 11:05 AM (EST)

Accused in recent days of embellishing her story of a brush with sniper fire in Bosnia, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton today said "don't be fooled" by photos showing her being greeted at the airport by a pony-tailed 8-year-old Bosnian girl with a bouquet of flowers.

"That was no little girl," Sen. Clinton told reporters in Gary, Indiana. "That was a covert ops midget sniper."

The New York senator said that moments after the "so-called little girl" presented her with the flowers, she revealed what the bouquet had been hiding: "a tiny semi-automatic weapon."

"Fortunately, I had the presence of mind to use some of the Tae Kwon Do techniques I had learned in preparation for the Northern Ireland peace talks," she said.

Defending his wife against charges that she had yet again fabricated her exploits while First Lady, former President Bill Clinton told CNN's John King that "Democratic voters have a clear choice this election: do they want a liar or a plagiarist?"

"Hillary tells some real whoppers, but at least they're original," he said.

In response to a question about whether he believes his wife's account of the events in Bosnia, Mr. Clinton said, "All I have to say about that is Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright."

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site, BorowitzReport.com. He is the host of "Countdown to '08" at the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, May 13 at 8 PM with his special guests Calvin Trillin (The New Yorker), Susie Essman (HBO's Curb Your Enthusiasm) and Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, MSNBC). For tickets, go to 92y.org.




jag

 

[Tron5000]

Posted this in the Clinton thread, but this one is probably even more appropriate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-says-8yearold-b_b_93485.html


Hillary Says 8-Year-Old Bosnian Girl Was Actually Sniper

Posted March 26, 2008 | 11:05 AM (EST)

Accused in recent days of embellishing her story of a brush with sniper fire in Bosnia, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton today said "don't be fooled" by photos showing her being greeted at the airport by a pony-tailed 8-year-old Bosnian girl with a bouquet of flowers.

"That was no little girl," Sen. Clinton told reporters in Gary, Indiana. "That was a covert ops midget sniper."

The New York senator said that moments after the "so-called little girl" presented her with the flowers, she revealed what the bouquet had been hiding: "a tiny semi-automatic weapon."

"Fortunately, I had the presence of mind to use some of the Tae Kwon Do techniques I had learned in preparation for the Northern Ireland peace talks," she said.

Defending his wife against charges that she had yet again fabricated her exploits while First Lady, former President Bill Clinton told CNN's John King that "Democratic voters have a clear choice this election: do they want a liar or a plagiarist?"

"Hillary tells some real whoppers, but at least they're original," he said.

In response to a question about whether he believes his wife's account of the events in Bosnia, Mr. Clinton said, "All I have to say about that is Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright Reverend Wright."

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site, BorowitzReport.com. He is the host of "Countdown to '08" at the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, May 13 at 8 PM with his special guests Calvin Trillin (The New Yorker), Susie Essman (HBO's Curb Your Enthusiasm) and Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, MSNBC). For tickets, go to 92y.org.




jag

Bravo. Awesome.

 

[raybia]

As Hillary recently revealed, her trip to Bosina was a memorable one. This is where she was under attack as she landed at the airport. This video is quite chilling. If you have any kids around please cover their eye's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA

This proves that Hillary is the perfect candidate for President. Her audio comments were quite convincing. In fact she is so convincing that I still believe her in spite of what my eyes just watched.

The President of the U.S. should be a perfect Poker player.

 

[Marx]

Hey, settle down. We don't want you getting carried away and hurting someone with your Tae Kwan Do techniques.

jag

But if I got some popcorn I'd share it with you if you wanted to watch him go all ninja on someone!

 

[Matt]

So long as she is campaigning for her mother, she is fair game for any question, no matter how tactless it is. If she were trying to stay out of the public image and had people following her around, it would be different, but as it is, she is out campaigning for her mother, making herself a public figure. Of course, at the same time, she does not have to answer the tactless questions that are asked of her.

 

[The Senator]

No one asked the Bush twins if their father's credibility was was injured because he received a DUI. A candidate's personal life has nothing to do with politics; give it a rest.

 

[Excel]

I dont see why its even a bad question...

No one asked the Bush twins if their father's credibility was was injured because he received a DUI. A candidate's personal life has nothing to do with politics; give it a rest.

Yes it does

 

[Excel]

I dont see why its even a bad question...

No one asked the Bush twins if their father's credibility was was injured because he received a DUI. A candidate's personal life has nothing to do with politics; give it a rest.

Yes it does

 

[PyroChamber]

I'm surprised she's doing this, because usually Chelsea doesn't speak in public.