The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Connection Between the Chamber of 6, Fedora Guy and The Vulture/Doc Ock Harnesses

[Hugebear]

I disagree, Massee was never meant to be Norman. I think Marc already had plans for who the Man in the Shadows would be in the trilogy. Marc called him the Man in the Shadows because it really fits the villain and that was most likely his idea of where he wanted take the villain.

And no, Norman never was the Man in the Shadows in the comic books, that was just something fanboys zoomed in on trying to prove he was the Man in the Shadows. I saw what they were talking about. [man in the crowd]. But that isn’t really true. Norman was the Green Goblin in the comics. It was just that there are some similarities there between some villains. Very much like saying because he wears a coat and hat like Doc Ock in the comics then that’s gotta be him but so do other villains. So do other villains.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Norman was originally a "man in the shadows" throughout the early Ditko Spider-Man comics, bud. He wore a similar trench coat and hat and was quite mysterious.

But the main reason why I would think that Masse was never Norman is because Rhys Ifans said he was an employee of Norman.

 

[Hugebear]

Norman was originally a "man in the shadows" throughout the early Ditko Spider-Man comics, bud. He wore a similar trench coat and hat and was quite mysterious.

But the main reason why I would think that Masse was never Norman is because Rhys Ifans said he was an employee of Norman.

Yes, a “man in shadows” but not the “Man in the Shadows”. Wasn’t the villain known as the Green Goblin first before “man in the shadows”? And the man behind the Green Goblin as a “man in the crowd” before later being revealed as Norman after many issues?
You are correct. "a man in the shadows."
But I’m just getting at that in the end, Norman is the Green Goblin and not the trench coat and hat..

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think you were missing my point. I was just saying that the main reason why people thought the mystery man in TASM1 was Norman is because he resembled him from the early comic books. He had a similar outfit and his face was always hidden.

 

[The Villain]

The Gentleman is definitely one of the logical options for the Man in Shadows.

Others are:

- Norman Osborn
- Otto Octavius (Oscorp Engineer/related)
- Alistaire Smythe

Now personally, I believe that the original plan was that the Man in Shadows was Norman. Michael Massee matched the pic in the Oscorp lobby. Now since that time, my guess, is they changed the idea so it's not Norman. They'll never admit this of course...

So now we know that this Man in Shadows will be at Oscorp and will show Harry "The future"!

It's not Norman because likely the scene where Harry says "What about Peter" leads to the chamber scene where some so far unknown guy comes down the elevator and shows Harry "the future". "The future" is what's behind doors #1 through #6 (and possibly even more (I believe a 7th door can be made out).

"The future" includes Vultures wings and Doc Ock's arms. It likely also includes the Goblin's armor, glider and serum. It may also include an eel tank that is used to take Electro's power to the next level, before Electro blows the thing up and upsets Harry to the point where he injects himself with the serum.

Now in the trailer if you listen to "the future" it could be Norman, but it sounds off. I am pretty sure (not 100%) that it's someone else, the guy wearing the fedora. This unknown guy comes down the elevator and shows Harry "The future". So, who is most likely? Well, let me just say that when you hear "the future" it sounds like some guy with an accent.

I've started to come to the realization that it's Otto Octavius, which introduces him as a main character ready to don the arms. He may even need to do so to help Electro go through eel tank stuff.

So, could Michael Masse or Colm Feore pull off Doc Ock?????

Actually, if we go with this version of Otto and not the classic bowl cut version, either actor could work (though I think Massee would be better).

I really do think your idea is valid and has a link to this scene.

What I really want to know is will we find out how Man In Shadows vanishes in and out of Dr Conners cell?

Thats why I still hope its an illusion or scene created by Klum version Mysterio.

The teleporter theory I suggested a few weeks back also is a possibility.

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[Super Jim]

Probably not. At that time they were probably just trying to create a cool post credit's scene. They obviously wanted it mysterious, and they didn't want to say who it was. They wanted us to speculate. Logically Norman just made sense. Everyone knows that he's the big bad and during that movie Raftka was the head stooge. But since they didn't want to admit who it was it's not like they would tell their actors, even Massee, who it was. They would just tell them something like "You're an Oscorp employee" or something like that.

Now we all jumped all over the Norman conclussion, which makes me think they wanted to change it. Besides, for whatever reason they decided they wanted Cooper as Norman instead of Massee (even though Massee has a perfect look). Again, I think Weeb wants to stay away from doing things like the original series, which may mean that Cooper will never become the Green Goblin.

As far as the lightning and him "disappearing" I believe they wanted us to think that possibly it was all in COnnors' head, or they wanted to add some drama. As far as him "teleporting" it would be more likely that the guard who was paid off just let him out, and we weren't shown that.

In many ways that scene with the man in the shadows served it's purpose, as it got us speculating and talking it up, and now we will "meet" the "man in shadows". I really don't believe Mysterio makes sense and I have a big feeling that Mysterio won't make the S6 cut in Webb's version. It will be interesting to see if they show us what is in those other chambers, which would be a big indicator of who will make up the S6...

 

[Picard Sisko]

Probably not. At that time they were probably just trying to create a cool post credit's scene. They obviously wanted it mysterious, and they didn't want to say who it was. They wanted us to speculate. Logically Norman just made sense. Everyone knows that he's the big bad and during that movie Raftka was the head stooge. But since they didn't want to admit who it was it's not like they would tell their actors, even Massee, who it was. They would just tell them something like "You're an Oscorp employee" or something like that.

Unfortunately this is something we may never find out.

Now we all jumped all over the Norman conclussion, which makes me think they wanted to change it. Besides, for whatever reason they decided they wanted Cooper as Norman instead of Massee (even though Massee has a perfect look). Again, I think Weeb wants to stay away from doing things like the original series, which may mean that Cooper will never become the Green Goblin.

I don't know about that. By the time TASM3 comes out, it will be 14 years since Raimi's Goblin appeared on screen, and I think that's enough time to bring him back. And I feel like if they were just introducing Norman as a dying man in bed who just dies and adds to nothing, we wouldn't be getting an A-list actor, Chris Cooper. You never know of course, but still.

As far as the lightning and him "disappearing" I believe they wanted us to think that possibly it was all in COnnors' head, or they wanted to add some drama. As far as him "teleporting" it would be more likely that the guard who was paid off just let him out, and we weren't shown that.

That could be the case. Its possible that Connors was suffering from the side effects of his Lizard serum, right? He was "cured" of it so he wouldn't have the desire to go get more, but his brain had to be affected somehow.

In many ways that scene with the man in the shadows served it's purpose, as it got us speculating and talking it up, and now we will "meet" the "man in shadows". I really don't believe Mysterio makes sense and I have a big feeling that Mysterio won't make the S6 cut in Webb's version. It will be interesting to see if they show us what is in those other chambers, which would be a big indicator of who will make up the S6...

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I hate when people say that scene was pointless, because it wasn't. Otherwise we wouldn't be here speculating and having fun doing so. Also, it would make his character (whoever TMITS turns out to be) less interesting when they finally reveal who he is.

 

[Super Jim]

As far as Cooper becoming the Green Goblin, I think it really depends on what happens to Harry Goblin.

I think everyone would agree that there wouldn't be a good reason to have two Goblins at the same time.

Now I've speculated that Harry Goblin (if that is Harry - looks a lot like a Parker clone - but it's probably Harry) will escape by using Gwen as a distraction. This would bring him back in TASM3 and possibly a member of Sinister Six. It is possible that even if he gets away Peter will go after him during this movie and enact his revenge, but for some reason I feel the death of Gwen will be towards the end of the movie, especially since the final Electro battle appears to be towards the end and pretty epic in itself. Another battle between Harry-Goblin and Spidey after the Electro finale would be odd.

So if Harry is around as Goblin in TASM3, would we really need to see Norman as Goblin? He could still be the puppet master behind the scenes, if he survives (we know that Cooper will be in TASM3 - supposedly). Also it doesn't mean that Webb couldn't use Norman as a different character (If Norman becomes Venom I quit!).

As far as the purpose of Norman in TASM2, well he's the one that "turns" Harry. He gets Harry to see the importance of what he and Oscorp are trying to do. He gets Harry to understand that they can "change the world". That's very important to the story. He is also likely the one that will send Harry down into the Chamber of the Future, where Harry will get to see what this future holds.

 

[Spideyfan117]

I think everyone would agree that there wouldn't be a good reason to have two Goblins at the same time.

Nope. If they were to adapt the Hobgoblin arc from the Ultimate comics, they could have Harry duke it out with Norman. Perhaps from a change of heart and a desire to help Peter/Spider-man.

 

[Airnick]

I have a feeling Harry goblin will be taken care of by the end of the film. Harry will most likely end up in ravencroft.

 

[Spideyfan117]

I have a feeling Harry goblin will be taken care of by the end of the film. Harry will most likely end up in ravencroft.

Yeah, I think it makes most sense to have Peter fight Norman as the Goblin in the third film. It's the best way to wrap up this story arc. It would also give them their money's worth with Chris Cooper. I wonder if he'll come back in more films. Not just TASM3.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah, I think it makes most sense to have Peter fight Norman as the Goblin in the third film. It's the best way to wrap up this story arc. It would also give them their money's worth with Chris Cooper. I wonder if he'll come back in more films. Not just TASM3.

Man if that's the case, I don't get what they're planning. Sure, Norman as Greem Goblin in the third would be cool but he'd obviously would have to be a prominent villain, not a side villain. But if you think about it, TASM2 already has a guy on a glider and suit. So would they really just "repeat" a villain like that?

Maybe they'll save it for TASM4...

 

[Spideyfan117]

Man if that's the case, I don't get what they're planning. Sure, Norman as Greem Goblin in the third would be cool but he'd obviously would have to be a prominent villain, not a side villain. But if you think about it, TASM2 already has a guy on a glider and suit. So would they really just "repeat" a villain like that?

Maybe they'll save it for TASM4...

Yeah, but Harry Goblin is only in TASM2 for a short time. And Norman is arguably Spider-man's most important villain. And if they made him look more like a "complete" Goblin, it certainly wouldn't be a repeat.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think Harry would be taken care of by the end of TASM2 though. But his role in TASM2 as "The Goblin" is probably very small, so I wouldn't worry about it being too repetitive.

Also, wasn't Loki the villain for two films in a row? Thor + Avengers? Not to mention Magneto was featured in three X-Men films.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah, but Harry Goblin is only in TASM2 for a short time. And Norman is arguably Spider-man's most important villain. And if they made him look more like a "complete" Goblin, it certainly wouldn't be a repeat.

I do agree with this.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah, but Harry Goblin is only in TASM2 for a short time. And Norman is arguably Spider-man's most important villain. And if they made him look more like a "complete" Goblin, it certainly wouldn't be a repeat.

I think Harry would be taken care of by the end of TASM2 though. But his role in TASM2 as "The Goblin" is probably very small, so I wouldn't worry about it being too repetitive.

Also, wasn't Loki the villain for two films in a row? Thor + Avengers? Not to mention Magneto was featured in three X-Men films.

All good points to the possibility that Norman as Green Goblin could be a main villain in a future movie.

I could see it being like..for a whole movie we see Norman behind the scenes pulling the strings (like he always does), and maybe have a total of two encounters with Spider-Man. The 2nd being the final climax. But in between they have another..2nd villain to showcase as well. That way they don't "waste" an entire movie on "Green Goblin" when they could utilize their movies to showcase another villain that's never been done before.

 

[Spideyfan117]

All good points to the possibility that Norman as Green Goblin could be a main villain in a future movie.

I could see it being like..for a whole movie we see Norman behind the scenes pulling the strings (like he always does), and maybe have a total of two encounters with Spider-Man. The 2nd being the final climax. But in between they have another..2nd villain to showcase as well. That way they don't "waste" an entire movie on "Green Goblin" when they could utilize their movies to showcase another villain that's never been done before.

As long as Norman/GG gets his screentime, I'd be cool with that. He's my all-time favorite villain. So I want to see a truly great performance in one of these movies. Chris Cooper seems to be teasing it anyways.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Yeah, but Harry Goblin is only in TASM2 for a short time. And Norman is arguably Spider-man's most important villain. And if they made him look more like a "complete" Goblin, it certainly wouldn't be a repeat.

i still think Norman will lead S6..

 

[Spideyfan117]

i still think Norman will lead S6..

It's a real possibility considering how much inspiration they get from the Ultimate comics. After all, Chris said he was under the impression that his role will "continue" which, to me, implies more than one more movie.

 

[Airnick]

i still think Norman will lead S6..

I thinks there's a pretty good chance of that happening.

 

[Spideyfan117]

I thinks there's a pretty good chance of that happening.

Yeah, I'd prefer for Doc Ock to be the leader. But I would be okay with Norman. After all, I enjoy the Ultimate take on the Six.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Especially if Doc Ock is part of the team, and possibly even the "field leader" of sorts.

Green Goblin, if it's Norman, will be the behind the scenes leader, I think. He'll use the other Sinister Six members to do the dirty work, and when he's not there you would have Doc Ock, the guy who has been secretly running the chamber of the future projects.

But again it all comes down to Harry Goblin. To me it seems that he'll transform right before the Electro finale battle. Harry will likely watch the battle, but not get directly involved, and then take the opportunity to kidnap Gwen or fight Peter when he's tired (having fought Electro).

In many ways it would make the most sense to have Harry fighting Spidey, be about to get beated, and then use Gwen to facilitate his escape.

Now once Gwen dies would we then have Spidey tracking him down to battle him again, which would be kind of a let down after the Electro battle, or would Harry-Goblin be used in TASM3, likely as part of the Sinister Six.

I also believe that IF Harry is defeated it will be permanently, if you know what I mean...

 

[Spideyfan117]

Sinister Six most likely won't be in the third film. That's why they have the Sinister Six movie setting it up. We'll have to see how the Goblin-fight and death scene play out to get a better idea of what will happen in the third film.

 

[Airnick]

I have a feeling Harry will kill Gwen first, and that will Lead into there fight.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I have a feeling Harry will kill Gwen first, and that will Lead into there fight.

Im sensing that Gwen will almost die but then our Spectacular Spiderman will manage to save her while he is breaking Harry skull......

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