The Dark Knight The Dark Knight 'Ask A Question'

[MattMetalHead]

The number dialed out to the mob.

 

[NotAShrimp]

The crook in the beginning said that the silent alarm didn't dial out to 911, but rather to a different number. Whose number was that?

He said "It tried to dial private number".
I believe its mob's number.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Okay, when Dent calls Gordon at the Prewitt Building scene, Gordon asked where his family is, and Dent responds. "Where my family died."

What did he mean by this? Wasn't this the same place Rachel died? Did he mean by the killing of Rachel, it lost all chances for a family he wanted? Or was this really where his family died? Becuase in this scene Dent talks about, "This is where they took her, Gordon." I thought they were talking about Rachel, but what they're talking about didn't sound like Rachel's situation.

 

[batman11]

Okay, when Dent calls Gordon at the Prewitt Building scene, Gordon asked where his family is, and Dent responds. "Where my family died."

What did he mean by this? Wasn't this the same place Rachel died? Did he mean by the killing of Rachel, it lost all chances for a family he wanted? Or was this really where his family died? Becuase in this scene Dent talks about, "This is where they took her, Gordon." I thought they were talking about Rachel, but what they're talking about didn't sound like Rachel's situation.

He was talking about Rachel...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, Rachel was Dent's "family" if you will.

 

[[A]]

We're stretching the whole ask a question thing a bit, aren't we..?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ahhh. Okay, thanks guys. It's been on my mind since I first saw the film.

 

[CaptainClown]

you all got it wrong! It was obvious Dent was talking about his brother and family, Nolan just didn't show it because he didn't want to have to explain everything! GEEZ!

 

[Boom]

Joker: "You let five people die."

-Commissioner Loeb.
-Judge Surrillo.
-Richard Dent.
-Patrick Harvey.

Who was the fifth? Was it Brian?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Joker: "You let five people die."

-Commissioner Loeb.
-Judge Surrillo.
-Richard Dent.
-Patrick Harvey.

Who was the fifth? Was it Brian?

Yea i'm pretty sure he means Brian.

 

[scatterax]

I'm pretty sure this has been asked here b4, but since I can't find those post: who were the 5 people gordon said harvey dent killed?

(I can only remember 3 off the top of my head.)

 

[CaptainClown]

Its up to debate.
1 - cop in bar
1 (maybe) - rameriez
1 - driver
1 (maybe) maroni
2 (maybe cops guarding two-face)
1(maybe) bartender

feel free to mix and match to what you want

 

[scatterax]

Its up to debate.
1 - cop in bar
1 (maybe) - rameriez
1 - driver
1 (maybe) maroni
2 (maybe cops guarding two-face)
1(maybe) bartender

feel free to mix and match to what you want

Hmm, I knew the cop at the bar died.(1) Remeriez got the good head thugh. I guess gordon coulda just assumed she was dead though. (total of maybe 2?) I doubt he'd have a reason to kill the bartender. I hadn't even considered him killing the cops that guarded him at the hospital, but he only killed two cops, so that means he could've only killed 1. (only 2 cops means if you count 1 of these guys you can't count remeriez. so still maybe 2)But I kinda assumed that the joker killed the guards. I count maroni and his driver. (total at 3. possibly at 4) on second thought, he might've killed the bartender to eliminate witnesses.

I'm still not sure about this. I guess theres no definite answer, is there?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm pretty sure this has been asked here b4, but since I can't find those post: who were the 5 people gordon said harvey dent killed?

(I can only remember 3 off the top of my head.)

He didn't actually say they were people who Dent killed, just that there was five people dead from the whole Dent situation. I believe he was including Harvey himself in that statement.

 

[Anita18]

I'm still not sure about this. I guess theres no definite answer, is there?

Nope. The "five dead - two of them cops" line existed in the earliest script draft we have, though, so it's definitely something that was in the film early on. That version doesn't mention Dent grabbing Maroni's thug, so he probably isn't counted.

IMO, it's clear that the "two cops" Gordon presumes are dead are the two at the hospital. Nobody knows Joker was at the scene, in Dent's room. Anyone who was witness to that is dead. It was Wuertz's day off, so nobody at the GPD would have noticed he was missing until the following day, when he didn't show up for work. And Ramirez, by that time, had probably regained consciousness.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Nope. The "five dead - two of them cops" line existed in the earliest script draft we have, though, so it's definitely something that was in the film early on. That version doesn't mention Dent grabbing Maroni's thug, so he probably isn't counted.

IMO, it's clear that the "two cops" Gordon presumes are dead are the two at the hospital. Nobody knows Joker was at the scene, in Dent's room. Anyone who was witness to that is dead. It was Wuertz's day off, so nobody at the GPD would have noticed he was missing until the following day, when he didn't show up for work. And Ramirez, by that time, had probably regained consciousness.

Yep so the 5 dead are this IMO:

2 cops at hospital
Maroni
Maroni's driver
Dent himself

Notice that Gordon doesn't actually say Dent killed them, I believe he just means from the whole Dent debacle 5 people ended up dead, including Harvey himself of course.

 

[BH/HHH]

I have a question, why did Bruce recreate the bullet in the brick?

I just didnt get it, he already had the brick with the bullet in so why recreate it, when he scanned the brick that he got from the crime scene anyway?

 

[Anita18]

I have a question, why did Bruce recreate the bullet in the brick?

I just didnt get it, he already had the brick with the bullet in so why recreate it, when he scanned the brick that he got from the crime scene anyway?

He needs a control bullet shot into brick to compare the shattering pattern with, and he didn't know what kind of brick he needed to use for the control. (Presumably the bullet would shatter differently depending on the material.) That's why he shoots bullets in multiple bricks.

 

[BH/HHH]

He needs a control bullet shot into brick to compare the shattering pattern with, and he didn't know what kind of brick he needed to use for the control. (Presumably the bullet would shatter differently depending on the material.) That's why he shoots bullets in multiple bricks.

Thanks for clearing that up

 

[DarKJediKnight]

This has been the question that's been bugging my mind after seeing TDK. And I think a lot of people were also confused about this scene, with some speculating that the three planned it due to their own reasons and speculations that "Harvey doesn't have any look of fear in his face when the van's being attacked...", etc. As for me I'd choose the other side that it was not planned due to the points I'll give after this, but I'm still confused and I thought that maybe the other view has some valid points. So I want to see the views of those who doesn't agree with me and those who does, let's have some nice debate here, and convince me that I am wrong or I am right.

Here are the points supporting my view:

> There's no justification in the film that the three planned it. There was no scene where Harvey talks to Gordon or Batman after Joker was captured that "it was some heck of a plan" or a much better line with the same context.

> What happened was a result of the attitude, choices, and principles of each of the characters involved in the capture.

First is Harvey Dent. He was very much against the idea of Batman turning himself in. He has a strong faith in Batman. That was evident in the scene when Batman reveals to Harvey that he will surrender to the cops. So he has to give himself up as Batman before the real Batman, Bruce Wayne, decides to step in. Another factor in this is Harvey Dent's decisiveness. He knows that when he makes a choice, it is always the right one. Ironically, before he turns into Two-Face, he never has two-minds on anything. He knew he was always right. This was symbolized by the two-faced coin. And when he decided to step in for Batman, he was sure that Batman would come and save him, because he has faith in Batman and he was not wrong about that decision he made.

Second is Bruce Wayne/Batman. With Harvey Dent stepping in place of him, he has nothing to do except protect him. Bruce was sure that Joker would definitely go after Dent. He was also undecided on his plan to give himself in because of what Rachel told him the night before that "they would never be together" if he gives himself up. He might be also thinking on what Alfred told him to "not be the hero". With this undecisiveness Harvey was able to act first.

Finally Gordon. There's only one reason that we know why he faked his death, "He must protect his family". He doesn't do it because he plans to capture the Joker. He only joins the escort because he wants to protect Harvey, and wants to be in the scene where there's a chance that he could capture Joker. How does he do it, how was he able to join the escort when he fake his death? This I don't know of, but as a police officer with a high rank and a unit of his own, maybe a few of his own knew of the truth.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

I'm pretty sure there was a plan between Gordan and Bats but Dent was mostlikely left out of it since he seemed extreamly surprised to see that Gordan was still alive.

 

[namtaB]

I looked at it like this:

Dent = His plan was to lure Joker using himself as bait and have the Batman take him down.
Gordon = He just wanted to protect his family but later saw a a chance to be involved in the Joker trap that Dent created.
Batman = Wayne planned on turning himself in but later changed his mind when Dent took the fall and used himself as bait.
Joker = Saw through Dent's plan to be bait and came up with his own counter strategy. At best he kills Dent and at worst he gets locked up where they're holding Lau.

Everyone reacted to Dent's plan of using himself as bait including the Joker.

 

[scatterax]

Nope. The "five dead - two of them cops" line existed in the earliest script draft we have, though, so it's definitely something that was in the film early on. That version doesn't mention Dent grabbing Maroni's thug, so he probably isn't counted.

IMO, it's clear that the "two cops" Gordon presumes are dead are the two at the hospital. Nobody knows Joker was at the scene, in Dent's room. Anyone who was witness to that is dead. It was Wuertz's day off, so nobody at the GPD would have noticed he was missing until the following day, when he didn't show up for work. And Ramirez, by that time, had probably regained consciousness.

so in a sence, batman took the fall for 2 of jokers kills. that sucks 4 him

 

[BestGirl]

Nope. The "five dead - two of them cops" line existed in the earliest script draft we have, though, so it's definitely something that was in the film early on. That version doesn't mention Dent grabbing Maroni's thug, so he probably isn't counted.

IMO, it's clear that the "two cops" Gordon presumes are dead are the two at the hospital. Nobody knows Joker was at the scene, in Dent's room. Anyone who was witness to that is dead. It was Wuertz's day off, so nobody at the GPD would have noticed he was missing until the following day, when he didn't show up for work. And Ramirez, by that time, had probably regained consciousness.

Bu the bartender would've found him and reported his death. Maybe Gordon hadn't learned of it yet, or hadn't connected it to Harvey.

Here's a question: why did the police wait so long to evacuate Harvey from the hospital? Wouldn't a public figure be one of the first people removed if a building was in danger of exploding?

 

[BestGirl]

Finally Gordon. There's only one reason that we know why he faked his death, "He must protect his family". He doesn't do it because he plans to capture the Joker. He only joins the escort because he wants to protect Harvey, and wants to be in the scene where there's a chance that he could capture Joker. How does he do it, how was he able to join the escort when he fake his death? This I don't know of, but as a police officer with a high rank and a unit of his own, maybe a few of his own knew of the truth.

Probably because the GPD is an incredibly slipshod and corrupt organization. Gordon likely showed up, told someone he was in charge of driving the escort, acted like he knew what he was doing, and nobody questioned him.

I'm pretty sure there was a plan between Gordan and Bats but Dent was mostlikely left out of it since he seemed extreamly surprised to see that Gordan was still alive.

I don't think so. Batman seemed genuinely upset when Mrs. Gordon yelled at him and I really believe, though I can't prove, that it was Gordon's "death" that was the final straw for him. Here's how I see events playing out:

Gordon - He was hit by the Joker but the bulletproof vest prevented him from being killed. As he lay there he got an idea, and when the paramedics came he told them to lie and claim he'd been killed. Normally doctors wouldn't do such a thing, but if they think it could help catch a terrorist they might play along. He probably stays at the hospital overnight and when he hears of Dent's arrest he leaves to protect Dent and hopefully arrest the Joker.

Dent - I think his claim that he's Batman is also spur-of-the-moment, though it could be that he planned it out ahead of time and just hesitated before taking the blame. I don't think Dent has any grand scheme in mind; he probably just thinks Batman in too important to Gotham to lose and his pride won't let him give in to the Joker's demands.

Batman - Goes to the conference genuinely planning to give himself up, but after Harvey outs himself as Batman he gets the idea to capture the Joker when he inevitably goes after Dent.