The Dark Knight The Dark Knight 'Ask A Question'

[SANDMAN55]

I'm sorry if this has been asked before, if it has, can someone refer me.
What was the Scarecrow trying to do when he was facing the other mob boss?
Was he setting them up? Was he trying to set up some kind of deal?
I was really confused by this scene?
Did he bring the "fake" Batman's with him or were they there on their own?
Thanks.

 

[Wolfwood]

The scene was there to establish continuity and to show that the "freaks" were working their way in to mob activity. In the Scarecrow's case, he was selling drugs laced with fear toxin and the Chechen was pissed cause he had bought some and it was turning his users into mental cases. So they were there to talk about the drugs.

 

[Mister J]

In addition to what Wolfwood mentioned, the fake Batmen are part of a vigilante group called 'Citizens For Batman'. There were featured in the viral marketing campaign and are essentially random Gothamites who have misguidedly taken it upon themselves to 'help' Batman clean up Gotham City. They were there to stop the drug trade. As you saw, Batman isn't welcoming of them, largely because of their use of deadly force and own self-endangerment.

 

[Anita18]

And you're usually far more perceptive than I - YOU'VE SUNK TO MY LEVEL!!!

Psh. I also missed the "Betty's House of Pies" poster that showed up in one of the ferries, but then again the person who pointed it out to me had seen the movie more than I had.

They mentioned Liberty Ferry, though! And I got Bruce Wayne's phone number, so I win.

 

[christpunchers]

When Gordon faked his death, who was also in on it? That plotline was confusing. I didn't know whether Bats knew or Dent knew or what not.

 

[the-rake]

When 2face shot the flipped the coin and shot the driver, did the driver and the other dude(don't know his name) die? Why wasn't 2face hurt?

 

[Magenta666]

When 2face shot the flipped the coin and shot the driver, did the driver and the other dude(don't know his name) die? Why wasn't 2face hurt?

because he buckled his seat belt jeez

we dont know, its just a "suspension of disbelief," hes alive after the crash so he must have survived it somehow

 

[Anita18]

When Gordon faked his death, who was also in on it? That plotline was confusing. I didn't know whether Bats knew or Dent knew or what not.

For sure, Dent didn't know. ("Talk about playing your cards close to your chest!")

After I saw it a second time, I believe Batman was in on it, or at least knows. They don't show you anything, but I don't think Batman would have tried to take on the Joker without Gordon there to arrest him immediately. Gordon is the only cop he trusts.

 

[christpunchers]

It was a scope, but no rifle attached to it. Presumably the scope pointed down to the view of the podium, showing the target (ie, the mayor).

BTW, I took notes at this viewing, so if anyone wants to try out Bruce Wayne's phone number, it's 735-185-7301.

The poisoned whiskey that kills Loeb is called Clyburn.

The Arkham Asylum Joker goon that Harvey intimidates is named Thomas Schiff.

Reese's first name is Coleman.

Uhh, I think that's all the non-viral random bits...

Why is there a scope in the window?

Whose finger prints were on the bullet? How did this relate to Bruce riding a bike and finding a bunch of cops tied up? Who tied them up?

If gordon faked his death then who fired the "fake" shot? Did Gordon set up the faking with other cops since they didnt have a dead body of gordon?

Was dent in on the whole fake out?

 

[christpunchers]

For sure, Dent didn't know. ("Talk about playing your cards close to your chest!")

After I saw it a second time, I believe Batman was in on it, or at least knows. They don't show you anything, but I don't think Batman would have tried to take on the Joker without Gordon there to arrest him immediately. Gordon is the only cop he trusts.

I thought dent knew.. maybe from gordon, because the whole squad car scene was a way to bait the joker to appear.

 

[Magenta666]

Why is there a scope in the window?

Whose finger prints were on the bullet? How did this relate to Bruce riding a bike and finding a bunch of cops tied up? Who tied them up?

If gordon faked his death then who fired the "fake" shot? Did Gordon set up the faking with other cops since they didnt have a dead body of gordon?

Was dent in on the whole fake out?

so that batman would walk up to it, so when the timer ran out and the window shade went up he would be shot at

the finger prints were for the resident of the appartment...he went to that appartment....joker and his goons tied up the cops

there was no fake shot, joker tried to shoot the mayor...we dont know how but the other cops must not have been in on it

no he wasnt

 

[Christopher Nolan]

the question is, did Batman choose Rachel and got fooled by the Joker or did he knew it was Harvey's adress...I thought he tried to confuse the Joker to nto show him that Rachel means something for him, but looked like Joker did know that...

 

[christpunchers]

so that batman would walk up to it, so when the timer ran out and the window shade went up he would be shot at

the finger prints were for the resident of the appartment...he went to that appartment....joker and his goons tied up the cops

there was no fake shot, joker tried to shoot the mayor...we dont know how but the other cops must not have been in on it

no he wasnt

Hmmm... okay so the joker set up a timer to pull up the window, knowing that the bats would be behind that window? Why didnt bruce go as batman and not bruce wayne? Didnt joker NOT want to kill bats?

So the finger prints traced back to the crazy goon that dent was interrogating... am i right?

We can assume that it was not only gordon and bats who was in on the fake death but other cops also?

 

[Anita18]

so that batman would walk up to it, so when the timer ran out and the window shade went up he would be shot at

the finger prints were for the resident of the appartment...he went to that appartment....joker and his goons tied up the cops

there was no fake shot, joker tried to shoot the mayor...we dont know how but the other cops must not have been in on it

no he wasnt

Yay Mag! Together we shall shed light on all of TDK's plot!

the question is, did Batman choose Rachel and got fooled by the Joker or did he knew it was Harvey's adress...I thought he tried to confuse the Joker to nto show him that Rachel means something for him, but looked like Joker did know that...

Joker tricked him. He noticed how desperate Batman was in saving her after he dropped her out of window, so...yeah.

 

[Anita18]

Hmmm... okay so the joker set up a timer to pull up the window, knowing that the bats would be behind that window? Why didnt bruce go as batman and not bruce wayne? Didnt joker NOT want to kill bats?

So the finger prints traced back to the crazy goon that dent was interrogating... am i right?

We can assume that it was not only gordon and bats who was in on the fake death but other cops also?

Because Batman doesn't go out during the day?

No, it was another guy. Someone else owned that apartment, and it was Joker's way of cluing in Batman about the cops being taken down, etc etc.

The other cops didn't act like they knew about Gordon's death.

 

[samsnee]

So were all the guys who were doing the rifle salute Jokers goons? But I'm surprised no other cop recognized that they weren't the regular guys or that one of them had a bad scar on his face.

 

[MAb]

Psh. I also missed the "Betty's House of Pies" poster that showed up in one of the ferries....

I watched so closely for Betty's House of Pies to show up! I'll catch it next time!

And yeah, remember all the guys tied up in the apartment? So I am assuming that the Honor Guard (?? anyhow the saluting guys) were all goons. Think of how many cops were there- you can't know all of them.

 

[christpunchers]

Because Batman doesn't go out during the day?

No, it was another guy. Someone else owned that apartment, and it was Joker's way of cluing in Batman about the cops being taken down, etc etc.

The other cops didn't act like they knew about Gordon's death.

So Bruce did his detective thing during daylight... wouldn't the tied up cops wonder just why Bruce Wayne was there?

Who were tied up in the apartment where Bats took a chunk of the wall? Bad guys? Good guys? Cops?

 

[weezerspider]

Hmmm... okay so the joker set up a timer to pull up the window, knowing that the bats would be behind that window? Why didnt bruce go as batman and not bruce wayne? Didnt joker NOT want to kill bats?

So the finger prints traced back to the crazy goon that dent was interrogating... am i right?

We can assume that it was not only gordon and bats who was in on the fake death but other cops also?

The Joker didn't know anyone was going to come into the room with the scope. he set the timer so the window would open up very quickly, so the Cop sniper would see the scope and think that a sniper assassin was in there to kill the Mayor, so the cop snipers would shoot at it, giving The disguised Joker a moment to shoot at the Mayor.

 

[Anita18]

So were all the guys who were doing the rifle salute Jokers goons? But I'm surprised no other cop recognized that they weren't the regular guys or that one of them had a bad scar on his face.

It was probably a good number. Note how many of them were tied up in that apartment. There were quite a few.

And the cops doing the salute were all in the front, so it was unlikely that they would have been seen unless someone knew to look.

 

[Anita18]

So Bruce did his detective thing during daylight... wouldn't the tied up cops wonder just why Bruce Wayne was there?

Who were tied up in the apartment where Bats took a chunk of the wall? Bad guys? Good guys? Cops?

He only went to one cop and took the tape off his mouth. Nobody saw him. He could have just left the door open for the police to find them later.

They were not tied up - they were Jokerized and dead. Not sure who they were, just guys with the last names "Harvey" and "Dent."

 

[samsnee]

He only went to one cop and took the tape off his mouth. Nobody saw him. He could have just left the door open for the police to find them later.

What bugged me was he went over not knowing what he would find necessarily. He certainly thought someone might take a shot at the mayor, so why didn't bother showing up with armor or something? It would be strange if someone did recognize him and wonder why a billionaire is running around in random people's apartment.

Similarly, it bothered me he was so blatant in showing that one couple in the penthouse where his secret room was. Yes, she thought it was a panic room, but they could have easily tried to follow.

 

[Anita18]

What bugged me was he went over not knowing what he would find necessarily. He certainly thought someone might take a shot at the mayor, so why didn't bother showing up with armor or something? It would be strange if someone did recognize him and wonder why a billionaire is running around in random people's apartment.

Similarly, it bothered me he was so blatant in showing that one couple in the penthouse where his secret room was. Yes, she thought it was a panic room, but they could have easily tried to follow.

He could have been wearing armor underneath. (The motorcycle mission is a reference from Year One, where Gordon shot him and he was okay since he was wearing armor.) He could have made a dumb excuse as to why he was there.

Heh, they could have tried, but they probably would have failed. At least they could now spread the rumor that Bruce Wayne went into his panic room if people started asking where he was during that whole thing.

 

[samsnee]

One more question... how did Wayne find out Berg's name? He was the cop in the car with Gordon and Reese. I could have swore he named a few cops so Alfred could look up their relatives, but then said "One patrolman I don't know." But then he identifies him as Berg.

 

[hegele]

What bugged me was he went over not knowing what he would find necessarily. He certainly thought someone might take a shot at the mayor, so why didn't bother showing up with armor or something? It would be strange if someone did recognize him and wonder why a billionaire is running around in random people's apartment.

Similarly, it bothered me he was so blatant in showing that one couple in the penthouse where his secret room was. Yes, she thought it was a panic room, but they could have easily tried to follow.

I think if Wayne will take the blame of the killings two-face did in order to maintain Harv's symbol for Gotham, he would put the mayors life first and Batman's true identity second. Thus he didn't want to risk getting in costume and wasting time.

He probably locked it behind him.