The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

[Superman-Prime]

^This is a superhero movie...not a crime fiction movie. So if you want to relate it to others in the same genre...go ahead.

I agree.

Anyways, his review was positive and he gave it a 1/10 for kicks so this argument is null.

I agree and kez1984's opinion doesn't count anymore due to a positive review and gave it a "1".

 

[Dark Knight]

How did you figure that was a woman??? But yeah, I agree Batman falls in the subgenre of crime fiction but in no way should be compared to films like The Departed or The Godfather.

The Departed yes....Godfather no....

 

[Not_Sane]

okay, I think that there is some thing wrong with me. I fell asleep during the first one and was hoping that this new would be way better, so i see this movie and well I fell asleep again. I couldn't watch this movie all the way through. I got really bored. .5/10

 

[echostation]

regardless of what genre film... it kicked so much ass, seriously I am ecstatic that this year has been fantastic for superhero films

hellboy II, TDK, TIH, IM... all superb entertaining films imo

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i give it a 7 out of 10 (even though i voted before I saw it w/ a 10 out of 10)

i went in expecting a flawless movie & got 1 1/2 minutes of the Scarecrow

 

[Solidus]

i give it a 7 out of 10 (even though i voted before I saw it w/ a 10 out of 10)

i went in expecting a flawless movie & got 1 1/2 minutes of the Scarecrow

Go see it a few times. The first time I saw it, there was just too much to take in. The second time, it is so much better. It truly to me is one of the few films that gets even better with each viewing. Like Blade Runner.

 

[magus]

Go see it a few times. The first time I saw it, there was just too much to take in. The second time, it is so much better. It truly to me is one of the few films that gets even better with each viewing. Like Blade Runner.

I love Blade Runner. The very first time I saw it I didn't care for it much but it grows on you so much. The book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) is fantastic as well.

 

[The Guard]

Though on my behalf, I completely disagree with the Batman, being out of character of taking the fall for Dent. Actually that is more Batman, and beyond that I've ever seen done in the comics.

It's melodramatic and it's somewhat powerful that someone would do that for a friend, but in the longterm, that simply doesn't serve Gotham's interests. A truth built on lies is...eh, someone get Jonah Nolan to finish that for me.

It's not in character in relation to the comic book Batman in the least. Batman, in his dealings with people, expects them to take responsibility for their actions. He always has. He may believe they are redeemable, and look for the good in everyone, but he's not one to sugarcoat the way things are. He is not someone who goes "Harvey, I will totally bail you out because you turned to evil and betrayed the law".

The whole point, what makes Harvey Dent's "fall" so powerful is that this man who was one of Gotham's champions becomes one of Gotham's greatest enemies. Not that he is redeemed through lies. It's not in character, it's not faithful to the mythology, and it doesn't honor the mythology and Dent's place in it, either.

Gotham isn't going to suddenly become a horrible place with Dent gone. 500 of it's top criminals are locked up with easy charges to be brought against them.

I'm not interested in looking at how Gotham would react in realation to how they view Batman (Not all of Gotham will react the same, which makes this plot point harder to swallow). I'm interested in wondering why the hell Batman is so eager to accept the blame for other people's evil acts. He wouldn't. No version of Batman that I've ever seen would.

Obviously Dent WASN"T the best hope Gotham to offer, and trying to LIE to the city and make it look like he was is absurd. Look what he succumbed to. Nevermind the absolutely absurdity of the police not hunting Batman until he supposedly kills MOBSTERS. Not innocents, mind you, but MOBSTERS. People that prey on the innocent, who almos anyone in Gotham would care less about.

This angle didn't need to exist for Batman to be on the run. And frankly, it would have been far more powerful if Dent's image wasn't "saved" through lies and deceit. That's going to come back to bite them in the ass at some point.

 

[Voyeur]

I have to say, I'm happy to see you like TDK Guard!

 

[Solidus]

It's melodramatic and it's somewhat powerful that someone would do that for a friend, but in the longterm, that simply doesn't serve Gotham's interests. A truth built on lies is...eh, someone get Jonah Nolan to finish that for me.

It's not in character in relation to the comic book Batman in the least. Batman, in his dealings with people, expects them to take responsibility for their actions. He always has. He may believe they are redeemable, and look for the good in everyone, but he's not one to sugarcoat the way things are. He is not someone who goes "Harvey, I will totally bail you out because you turned to evil and betrayed the law".

The whole point, what makes Harvey Dent's "fall" so powerful is that this man who was one of Gotham's champions becomes one of Gotham's greatest enemies. Not that he is redeemed through lies. It's not in character, it's not faithful to the mythology, and it doesn't honor the mythology and Dent's place in it, either.

Gotham isn't going to suddenly become a horrible place with Dent gone. 500 of it's top criminals are locked up with easy charges to be brought against them.

I'm not interested in looking at how Gotham would react in realation to how they view Batman (Not all of Gotham will react the same, which makes this plot point harder to swallow). I'm interested in wondering why the hell Batman is so eager to accept the blame for other people's evil acts. He wouldn't. No version of Batman that I've ever seen would.

Obviously Dent WASN"T the best hope Gotham to offer, and trying to LIE to the city and make it look like he was is absurd. Look what he succumbed to. Nevermind the absolutely absurdity of the police not hunting Batman until he supposedly kills MOBSTERS. Not innocents, mind you, but MOBSTERS. People that prey on the innocent, who almos anyone in Gotham would care less about.

This angle didn't need to exist for Batman to be on the run. And frankly, it would have been far more powerful if Dent's image wasn't "saved" through lies and deceit. That's going to come back to bite them in the ass at some point.

Hmm I guess we will just disagree on that, but very good points in there as always.

But if I'm not mistaken the mayor even said, if they get anything on Dent, period. All those 500 people get to walk. And actually that is what can happen.

So if Dent would have been found with murder, all those people he put away for years, a lot of them could be released if I am not mistaken. Even the mayor said that before the fake Batman hit the window.

 

[The Guard]

I never expected not to like it. I just don't understand how so many talented people can make a movie that in some ways, feels a bit uneven as a film.

 

[The Guard]

But if I'm not mistaken the mayor even said, if they get anything on Dent, period. All those 500 people get to walk. And actually that is what can happen.

1. How do you figure? Since when does the law stop taking effect because someone, after the fact, commits a crime? Dent's actions occurred after the fact, after he and others had arrested and charged all the mobsters.

2. That's even MORE powerful than Gotham still liking Dent. That makes his fall even more appropriately depressing.

 

[Solidus]

I never expected not to like it. I just don't understand how so many talented people can make a movie that in some ways, feels a bit uneven as a film.

See I first thought that, but after I watched it a few more times, it just all seemed clear to me. And did not feel, too fast, or uneven. But thats me.

 

[mikey09]

i give it a 7 out of 10 (even though i voted before I saw it w/ a 10 out of 10)

i went in expecting a flawless movie & got 1 1/2 minutes of the Scarecrow

Obviously that is your opinion but I get disappointed when I see someone complain about the screen time about certain characters. Chris and Jon could have easily not used Scarecrow at all.

The story of this film and its themes were near perfect, I just don't see how you can 'dock points' because one character had less screentime then you wanted. He served his purpose and to be honest, the other characters in the film were far more important (i.e. Joker, Two-Face, Maroni and even the Chechen) but then again it's just my opinion

 

[Korben Dallas]

I have yet to see it again. So far this film exceeded all of my expectations.

 

[DSET]

It's melodramatic and it's somewhat powerful that someone would do that for a friend, but in the longterm, that simply doesn't serve Gotham's interests. A truth built on lies is...eh, someone get Jonah Nolan to finish that for me.

It's not in character in relation to the comic book Batman in the least. Batman, in his dealings with people, expects them to take responsibility for their actions. He always has. He may believe they are redeemable, and look for the good in everyone, but he's not one to sugarcoat the way things are. He is not someone who goes "Harvey, I will totally bail you out because you turned to evil and betrayed the law".

The whole point, what makes Harvey Dent's "fall" so powerful is that this man who was one of Gotham's champions becomes one of Gotham's greatest enemies. Not that he is redeemed through lies. It's not in character, it's not faithful to the mythology, and it doesn't honor the mythology and Dent's place in it, either.

Gotham isn't going to suddenly become a horrible place with Dent gone. 500 of it's top criminals are locked up with easy charges to be brought against them.

I'm not interested in looking at how Gotham would react in realation to how they view Batman (Not all of Gotham will react the same, which makes this plot point harder to swallow). I'm interested in wondering why the hell Batman is so eager to accept the blame for other people's evil acts. He wouldn't. No version of Batman that I've ever seen would.

Obviously Dent WASN"T the best hope Gotham to offer, and trying to LIE to the city and make it look like he was is absurd. Look what he succumbed to. Nevermind the absolutely absurdity of the police not hunting Batman until he supposedly kills MOBSTERS. Not innocents, mind you, but MOBSTERS. People that prey on the innocent, who almos anyone in Gotham would care less about.

This angle didn't need to exist for Batman to be on the run. And frankly, it would have been far more powerful if Dent's image wasn't "saved" through lies and deceit. That's going to come back to bite them in the ass at some point.

-I agree with some of your points BUT

Another reason to why he took the blame is to make the criminals truely fear him, as Maroni told him, I don’t remember the exact line but that the criminals are not afraid of him he has his one rule, he doesn’t kill.
I’m not saying this is makes up for all the mistakes involved in this move, but its another motive for him to take the blame.

I think this part of the story will be over in 10mins or less in the next film, so it doesn’t bother me much.
It’s not like the film is being 1000% truthful to its roots, and its not like it matters enough to ruin the film experience.

Taking the blame for the murders enhances the film IMO but takes away from the character so I think it was the right move. It enhances the film because
A- Bats thinks maybe it wasn’t Harvey’s fault he was driven to madness-if you want to call it that, and he sympathizes with his quest for revenge as they both cared for the same person and they both have been in a similar position.
B-Bats wants to strike fear in the criminals of Gotham, he pretty much looses the power he had from the first film in this one, this is a weird way but still a way to get some of it back.
C- Bruce respects what he did for the citizens of gotham and he wants them to believe that others can come along and do the same. By keeping his reputation clean, more citizens will want somebody as good as dent and hopefully will vote that characteristic in.
D- Maybe some citizens will respect him more because he’s not afraid to actually kill some bad guys, he already gets a mixed reaction from gothams citizens so what’s really changing besides the cops chasing him.
It takes away from the character and somewhat from the logic of the character for the reasons you’ve previously stated.

Regardless there are many interpretations to this move, by no means is it enough to hinder the film experience IMO, not saying that it did that for you but in general.

 

[The Sage]

It's melodramatic and it's somewhat powerful that someone would do that for a friend, but in the longterm, that simply doesn't serve Gotham's interests. A truth built on lies is...eh, someone get Jonah Nolan to finish that for me.

It's not in character in relation to the comic book Batman in the least. Batman, in his dealings with people, expects them to take responsibility for their actions. He always has. He may believe they are redeemable, and look for the good in everyone, but he's not one to sugarcoat the way things are. He is not someone who goes "Harvey, I will totally bail you out because you turned to evil and betrayed the law".

The whole point, what makes Harvey Dent's "fall" so powerful is that this man who was one of Gotham's champions becomes one of Gotham's greatest enemies. Not that he is redeemed through lies. It's not in character, it's not faithful to the mythology, and it doesn't honor the mythology and Dent's place in it, either.

Gotham isn't going to suddenly become a horrible place with Dent gone. 500 of it's top criminals are locked up with easy charges to be brought against them.

I'm not interested in looking at how Gotham would react in realation to how they view Batman (Not all of Gotham will react the same, which makes this plot point harder to swallow). I'm interested in wondering why the hell Batman is so eager to accept the blame for other people's evil acts. He wouldn't. No version of Batman that I've ever seen would.

Obviously Dent WASN"T the best hope Gotham to offer, and trying to LIE to the city and make it look like he was is absurd. Look what he succumbed to. Nevermind the absolutely absurdity of the police not hunting Batman until he supposedly kills MOBSTERS. Not innocents, mind you, but MOBSTERS. People that prey on the innocent, who almos anyone in Gotham would care less about.

This angle didn't need to exist for Batman to be on the run. And frankly, it would have been far more powerful if Dent's image wasn't "saved" through lies and deceit. That's going to come back to bite them in the ass at some point.

I thought police were hunting Batman at the end for the murder of cops and mobsters, the ones Harvey murdered.

Batman taking on the sins of Harvey Dent isn't about redeeming Harvey; Harvey was a symbol of hope to Gotham, something he couldn't be because he's a vigilante, someone who was more trustworthy. He lied to ensure that Gotham would continue to have that symbol to believe in.

 

[Dark Knight]

I never expected not to like it. I just don't understand how so many talented people can make a movie that in some ways, feels a bit uneven as a film.

Just like BB right Guard??

Come on Guard, TDK was at another level higher from where BB was....and BB was a good film.

No film is perfect to the way you want it to be. This film is by far Nolans personal masterpiece IMO so far at least.

So give some credit Guard for the best superhero based comic film to date is TDK.

 

[Comics N' Toons]

Obviously that is your opinion but I get disappointed when I see someone complain about the screen time about certain characters. Chris and Jon could have easily not used Scarecrow at all.

The story of this film and its themes were near perfect, I just don't see how you can 'dock points' because one character had less screentime then you wanted. He served his purpose and to be honest, the other characters in the film were far more important (i.e. Joker, Two-Face, Maroni and even the Chechen) but then again it's just my opinion

i do agree the themes were near perfect, being steeped in pure superhero crime drama (the likew swe hadn't seen since TLH/DV

BUT THE STORY HAD MANY HOLES ( a few are fine, the filmmakers can allow the audience to infer )

HOWEVER, there were too many holes & while I like the look of the film, I was guessing too often to seriously ENJOY myself.


But I've been told that to seriously enjoy it, you must watch it multiple times...

i've only seen it once so for now my opinion stays

 

[mikey09]

i do agree the themes were near perfect, being steeped in pure superhero crime drama (the likew swe hadn't seen since TLH/DV

BUT THE STORY HAD MANY HOLES ( a few are fine, the filmmakers can allow the audience to infer )

HOWEVER, there were too many holes & while I like the look of the film, I was guessing too often to seriously ENJOY myself.


But I've been told that to seriously enjoy it, you must watch it multiple times...

i've only seen it once so for now my opinion stays

Not trying to sway you, but what holes did you find?

 

[Comics N' Toons]

well there were a few... i mean it's been a few days but like I couldn't understand why they evacuated a hospital because of the joker, but somehow managed to leave arguably one of the most important people in the city (the crusading DA) behind for the Joker to find... C'mon - somebody wasn't thinking


another was, they never explained, DIDN'T EVEN EXPAND ON WHAT BECAME OF the scarecrow...


this next point isn't a plot hole, just a personal problem...

another was that the action was a bit choppy... i'm watching the joker & batman fight in an interrogation room & soon they are bttling in the street


The movie seemed almost as if it was hurriedly edited.

So i dunno let me watch it again, before I dive further into the movies FLAWS

 

[Golgo-13]

Was i seeing things? Did Batman click on some brass knuckles during the garage fight with the Scarecrows men/fake Batmen...?

 

[The Guard]

Obviously that is your opinion but I get disappointed when I see someone complain about the screen time about certain characters. Chris and Jon could have easily not used Scarecrow at all.

What a copout. The fact is, there could have been a far more impressive use of the character. Easily. Even given the same amount of screentime.

Another reason to why he took the blame is to make the criminals truely fear him, as Maroni told him, I don’t remember the exact line but that the criminals are not afraid of him he has his one rule, he doesn’t kill.

It's another motive, sure, but obviously not his primary one. And criminals shouldn't be afraid Batman is going to kill them. They should be afraid of something else entirely.

It doesn't hinder the movie. It's just completely out of character for Batman in almost any incarnation I've ever seen, and I really think that worse, it effectively neuteres Two-Face's meaning in the mythology, because suddenly it's all whitewashed.

People, stop explaining to me why Batman does what he does at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT. I get it. It's not a difficult concept. I get it, I just feel that while it honors Harvey Dent, it doesn't honor the mythology.

So give some credit Guard for the best superhero based comic film to date is TDK.

I've already called it the best Batman film and best superhero film.

 

[mikey09]

well there were a few... i mean it's been a few days but like I couldn't understand why they evacuated a hospital because of the joker, but somehow managed to leave arguably one of the most important people in the city (the crusading DA) behind for the Joker to find... C'mon - somebody wasn't thinking


another was, they never explained, DIDN'T EVEN EXPAND ON WHAT BECAME OF the scarecrow...


this next point isn't a plot hole, just a personal problem...

another was that the action was a bit choppy... i'm watching the joker & batman fight in an interrogation room & soon they are bttling in the street


The movie seemed almost as if it was hurriedly edited.

So i dunno let me watch it again, before I dive further into the movies FLAWS

Gordon went to protect Reese because the Joker put a LIVE hit on him through TV or else he explodes a hospital. Gordon actually gave two officers the duty of protecting Dent. The officers leave their post when one of the nurses asks for help to evacuate the hospital. That's why one of the officers kind of 'sighs' when the nurse asks for help because he know he shouldn't because his actual duty was to watch Dent.


The Scarecrow was taken into custody afterwards. I guess that was assumed because they can't show EVERY little aspect of the film.

I don't understand what you are talking about the Joker fighting in the interrogation scene and then in the streets, because I believe it occured the other way around so I can't really comment on it.

The film does have a lot going so maybe you missed some things. But anyways, maybe you'll enjoy it if you see it again. Maybe you won't.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I'll try to make it brief -

Just saw Dark Knight today, the theater was nearly packed, which is rare for a Monday. The film is nothing less than a masterpiece. The late Heath Ledger was undeniably creepy as the hateful, heartless, lip-licking, cackling Joker (and trust me, he does a great job of making you hate the Joker), while Aaron Eckhart delivers a powerful performance as the doomed DA Harvey Dent/2-Face. Christian Bale is of course still good as the Batman with the always welcomed Gary Oldman, Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman reprising their roles as Gordon, Alfred & Fox. Maggie Gyllenhaal lends nice support in the Rachel Dawes role originated by Katie Holmes (who is sadly better known now as Mrs. Tom Cruise #3).

Can't wait for the next one... and it had better have Catwoman/Selina Kyle in it.

If only they could make a Superman film half as good as Dark Knight...

Now... can we PLEASE have some DC heroes who are not Batman and/or Superman in a big summer blockbuster?