The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

[Ace of Knaves]

all say this....and i know i'm more then likely in the minority of one, me. But i didnt think they should of taken "batman" back to the beginning, why? Most fans know the story and i think were happy with Burton's version of the story, it was only the last few hollywood versions of "batman" that totally messed everything up. I would of been more "on board" with this batman if they did a "batman beyond" type theme...just bring it to the future...most of us, the audience..seen batman in the beginning with the joker, catwoman and two face..and now we are being spoon fed with it again..this time someone else version or vision.


Man.... impress me more by taken the story beyond what we already know and seen..like it's been said...bring in new characters that aren't so familiar with the common audience like a "dead shot" or "poison ivy"...for instance.....i mean, i like the idea that they started off "batman begins" with "scarecrow" for a villain, but now we are recycling characters; the joker, now the riddler and catwomen..dont get me wrong i'm glad to have seen ledger's version of the joker it was brillant!!!..but my main "rant" if u will is. These writers and directions to taken the character and story of batman..beyond what we already seen on film.


like the plot beyond "batman beyond" the cartoon was cool...the fact that the batman we all know, and even our fathers know..gotten old and couldnt crime fight anymore...i mean that's believable since he isn't a martian like superman..so to speak....i'm not sayin bring the cartoon into real life action i'm jsut saying....taken it beyond what we already know..

i agree with you about batman beyond, i would love to see a futuristic batman noir in the mould of blade runner. but not yet.

 

[WorthyStevens]

I just came back from seeing it in IMAX. Just wow. I nearly blew a load during the Hong Kong flying sequence.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

well i dont think there has been one, but you say it like someone who plays a comicbook character WILL NEVER get one. i'm saying people should be judged on their performance not the genre that they are performing in. so if no one beats heaths performance this year which i doubt anyone will, you say he wont get a oscar because its a comicbook character? you talking wet.

So far i'm right..if there hasn't been one then they won't be...if jack nickelson a multiple oscar winner hasn't won one protraying a comic book character then they wont be one...it's no diss to comic books (how am i dissing comic book characters when i subscribed to a comic book message boards) i'm being realistic....the academy doesnt pay attention to comic book films no matter how well they do...and the success of this film wont change that....that's my point

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So far i'm right..if there hasn't been one then they won't be...if jack nickelson a multiple oscar winner hasn't won one protraying a comic book character then they wont be one...it's no diss to comic books (how am i dissing comic book characters when i subscribed to a comic book message boards) i'm being realistic....the academy doesnt pay attention to comic book films no matter how well they do...and the success of this film wont change that....that's my point

well you are one of a very small minority that would call TDK just a comic book movie. and jack didnt win a oscar for his portrayal of the joker because he just played a amped up version of HIMSELF in make-up and a purple suit. Heath completly dissapeared into the role, he usually plays broody, quiet characters not full blown phychotic killer clowns.

 

[WorthyStevens]

And before Anthony Hopkins won Best Actor in 1992, noone else had played a cannibalistic serial killer and won.

What's your point?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

what i'm saying is that the performance shouldn't be judged by genre but by what the actor has brought to the role, and from what i've seen i dont think anyone will beat heaths performance this year.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Sorry, I was responding to the post above yours.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

orite no worries

 

[CEREBRAL....]

And before Anthony Hopkins won Best Actor in 1992, noone else had played a cannibalistic serial killer and won.

What's your point?

either you are still stuck on "batman" or you really can't comperhend..i couldnt explain it any clearer...THE ACADEMY in which votes on who wins an oscar frawns on comic books/si fi/horror movies from the stand point of judgin' acting...not me, but the ACADEMY so therefore i dont see ledger getting an award for it.....not cuz he doesnt deserve it , cuz that's how the academy sees it....

 

[WorthyStevens]

either you are still stuck on "batman" or you really can't comperhend..i couldnt explain it any clearer...THE ACADEMY in which votes on who wins an oscar frawns on comic books/si fi/horror movies from the stand point of judgin' acting...not me, but the ACADEMY so therefore i dont see ledger getting an award for it.....not cuz he doesnt deserve it , cuz that's how the academy sees it....

Obviously you were the one who didn't comprehend, but the award Anthony Hopkins won in 1992 was for a HORROR movie - Silence of the Lambs.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

what i'm saying is that the performance shouldn't be judged by genre but by what the actor has brought to the role, and from what i've seen i dont think anyone will beat heaths performance this year.

to answer your post in 2 parts..first part, you're saying what the performance shouldnt be judge by...but that's not how they do it. It's hollywood they make their own rules..now the sec. part your keyword "what i've seen" onless you've seen every movie and every performance this year you can not state claim to your statement as some type of fact....

 

[CEREBRAL....]

Obviously you were the one who didn't comprehend, but the award Anthony Hopkins won in 1992 was for a HORROR movie - Silence of the Lambs.

is silence of the lambs..along the lines of jason, saw, nightmare on elm street...? Or is it along the lines of "seven" in which great actors/actress such as m.freeman, brad pitt, k.spacey and g. Paltrow play'd in?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

is silence of the lambs..along the lines of jason, saw, nightmare on elm street...? Or is it along the lines of "seven" in which great actors/actress such as m.freeman, brad pitt, k.spacey and g. Paltrow play'd in?

well is TDK along the lines of guyver,spawn,captain america,batman and robin....? or is it along the lines of other great films with great actors/actresses such as m.freeman, christian bale, michael caine, gary oldman, maggie gyllenhall

 

[CEREBRAL....]

well you are one of a very small minority that would call TDK just a comic book movie. and jack didnt win a oscar for his portrayal of the joker because he just played a amped up version of HIMSELF in make-up and a purple suit. Heath completly dissapeared into the role, he usually plays broody, quiet characters not full blown phychotic killer clowns.

no i'm not in a small minority...DOESNT "TDK" originate from a comic book with comic book characters? I never said the movie wasn't good or it wasn't written well...if you read my orig. post you would see that i thought it was written so good that it could stand on it's own without any of the comic book characters....

whether or not jack play'd himself or not in the orig. batman is another discussion...the joker is all of what jack play'd and all of what ledger play'd as well...there are many diff stories and diff. directions all characters of batman have gone in...

i'm tell you'll what the academy will pay attention to...dont shoot the messenger! ha ha

 

[Ace of Knaves]

basically what i'm saying is that TDK isn't just a comic book movie and no matter how "elitest" the acadamy is they will recognise this. to be honest if you took Batman himself out of the film and replaced him with a embittered, on the edge of insanity cop or vigilante you would never think its a comic book film

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well i finally got to watch the "dark knight" it was a good movie..i give it an "8", my bad points: I hate C.Bale as "batman"...his voice is the worst and i never believed him as batman since "batman begins". I do think this movie is alittle overhyped personally. I enjoy'd "300", spiderman 1 more then this movie..but the positives; it's a good movie....well written, i almost think this movie could stand alone without any of the comic book characters....it was just written that well! Ledger was great as the joker...oscar quality...ahh i don't think so, i dont think any comic book character preformed by an actor or actress is oscar quality but that's just my opinion.....but i was amazed at his protrail as the joker, it was great..actually " the joker" and the scenes with "the joker "were my favorite scenes in the movie..... 8/10 good movie!

the bit i've put in bold is proof that you're not talking about the acadamys views, its what you think. and if you think that someone, no matter how brilliantly or how far they dissapear into the role shouldn't be considered for a oscar because its a "comic-book" movie then you have a seriously screwed up opinion. someone should be merited on their performance and not influenced by what genre they are in.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

well is TDK along the lines of guyver,spawn,captain america,batman and robin....? or is it along the lines of other great films with great actors/actresses such as m.freeman, christian bale, michael caine, gary oldman, maggie gyllenhall

look...you are trying really hard are to prove the greatness of this film..but i'm the wrong person you are trying to convince here....."300" had great acting in it...did any actor or actress won an oscar for their efforts?? no....i broke it down to u already, it's up to you whether you are willing to accept it or not.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

the bit i've put in bold is proof that you're not talking about the acadamys views, its what you think. and if you think that someone, no matter how brilliantly or how far they dissapear into the role shouldn't be considered for a oscar because its a "comic-book" movie then you have a seriously screwed up opinion. someone should be merited on their performance and not influenced by what genre they are in.

well i must be older then you cuz......there's been movies and acting performances i've seen over the years and watch them go unnotice by the oscars...and i've come to accept that is the way hollywood is run....again.....i can't not explain what goes on there any clearer.....it's up to you to accept it or not..but it is the way it is...

 

[Johnny Drama]

well is TDK along the lines of guyver,spawn,captain america,batman and robin....? or is it along the lines of other great films with great actors/actresses such as m.freeman, christian bale, michael caine, gary oldman, maggie gyllenhall

Hahaha, Guyver

 

[WorthyStevens]

is silence of the lambs..along the lines of jason, saw, nightmare on elm street...? Or is it along the lines of "seven" in which great actors/actress such as m.freeman, brad pitt, k.spacey and g. Paltrow play'd in?

You're splitting too many hairs in order to try and prove your point. A horror movie, just like any other movie (including comic book ones), is a horror movie. The difference is if it's well-made or not, and that's what gets awards. Not what genre it's in.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

look i understand what your saying in that the acadamy is snobbish. but its YOU whos coming across snobbish, you said heath doesn't deserve a oscar soley because hes playing a comic book character, that bollox. im not really bothered if he gets a oscar to be honest, but its just annoying that some people just judge a performance not on the actual skill involved, but by the source material. yea so what the joker is a comic book character, Heath completly vanished into the role, a role that is very complex at that.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

You're splitting too many hairs in order to try and prove your point. A horror movie, just like any other movie (including comic book ones), is a horror movie. The difference is if it's well-made or not, and that's what gets awards. Not what genre it's in.

is that what the academy thinks and judge when they hand out awards yes or no...answer that question and you would see my point.....cuz obviously u keep missing my point..

 

[Ace of Knaves]

is that what the academy thinks and judge when they hand out awards yes or no...answer that question and you would see my point.....cuz obviously u keep missing my point..

i think your missing the point. in your original reply you said someone who plays a comic book character shouldn't get a oscar, and you actually wrote "in my opinion". so its YOUR opinion that someone shouldn't get a oscar for playing a comicbook character thats why people are arguing with you. how can you judge a performance on the genre they are in? thats just small minded.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

look i understand what your saying in that the acadamy is snobbish. but its YOU whos coming across snobbish, you said heath doesn't deserve a oscar soley because hes playing a comic book character, that bollox. im not really bothered if he gets a oscar to be honest, but its just annoying that some people just judge a performance not on the actual skill involved, but by the source material. yea so what the joker is a comic book character, Heath completly vanished into the role, a role that is very complex at that.

dont get me wrong i'm glad to have seen ledger's version of the joker it was brillant!!!..but my main "rant" if u will is. These writers and directions to taken the character and story of batman..beyond what we already seen on film.

do u still wanna focus on what i said??

i'm talking from the stand point of the academy...they never chose who i feel should get an oscar so by that...i'm saying.....in my opinion he wont get one for it....i like this batman soley on ledgers performance only....*try'n to reframe from saying the lords name in vain.*

 

[WorthyStevens]

is that what the academy thinks and judge when they hand out awards yes or no...answer that question and you would see my point.....cuz obviously u keep missing my point..

Sigh. You're saying that Ledger won't get a nomination because he's in a "genre" movie. And I brought up an instance in which a genre movie's actor was nominated for an Oscar and won. I thereby disproved your point.

i'm talking from the stand point of the academy...they never chose who i feel should get an oscar so by that...i'm saying.....in my opinion he wont get one for it....