The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

[The Joker]

Also, Cosmo Landesman is the main reviewer for The Times, who writes breif reviews about all releases, and extended reviews of a lot of films.

And that puts his opinion above everyone elses just because it coincides with yours, right?

The Dark Knight has a 95% rating on RT. 213 positive reviews under it's belt, versus a miserable 13 rotten ones. Mr Landesman's is a drop in the ocean, just like the other rotten ones.

 

[Hunter Rider]

And the most important review hasn't arrived yet.

 

["V"]

Yes, in the same issues that had two page spreads about TDK in them....

Also, Cosmo Landesman is the main reviewer for The Times, who writes breif reviews about all releases, and extended reviews of a lot of films.

To be honest, I just found them online. But you seem to hold The Times in high esteem... why do you seem to discard the other reviews? Because they were featured alongside marketing spreads for the film?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I still say the views of critics mean crap. People's tastes in films very greatly, and no two people will have the same view on any film. Period. They may share similar views, but never the same.

Why I advocate seeing movies you think you may enjoy yourself, regardless of the reviews.

 

[Skullen]

Umm this movie not only lived to its hype, it is going to make me see it 2-3 more times. These wierdos probably loved the movie, but just want to get on peoples nerves, or just be different. This is the best movie of the year no doubt about it, and I would highly recommend it to anyone who likes batman, or anyone who likes action and drama

 

[Cyrusbales]

And what sort of people spend all day talking about batman films on the internet? Batman fans.

There are more reviews like Empire, The Sun etc, than sight and sound, the times etc.

MY POINT, was that for the target audience of the newspaper, the review was completely accurate. The paper isn't aimed at people who go to see a film unfold in one-two-three fashion, with all the generic formula pieces. There's nothing wrong with that particular audience, until they try to elevate something above it's status.

For something aimed at 'the masses', it achieves it's aims. But for someone who's DVD collection holds La Jetee, Chunking Express, Metropolis, A bittersweet life, All about my mother, Amoros Perros etc, then consulting Comso Landesman's review will be very helpful.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ugh.

 

[Cyrusbales]

[quote="V";15375271]To be honest, I just found them online. But you seem to hold The Times in high esteem... why do you seem to discard the other reviews? Because they were featured alongside marketing spreads for the film?[/quote]

Well media-bias dictates a lot of things, it looks pretty sloppy if you condemn something on one page, whilst advertising it on the next. It's basic media policy, don't knock down your sponsors etc, if a paper has been planning a massive article on the making of some film, they can't afford to discredit that article in the same issue, thus waiting for the general release to give a more rounded view.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Ugh.

Technically that is trolling.....

 

[Hunter Rider]

Technically that is trolling.....

Then report me.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Then report me.

Somehow I doubt that would work, either way it wouldn't promt discussion.

 

[The Joker]

And what sort of people spend all day talking about batman films on the internet? Batman fans.

Who's spending all day on the internet? Are you timing everyone on the SHH forums? Being a fan of the character does not equate bias. Quite the contrary, with most people if the movie does not do justice to the character they love so much, then the movie is slayed by the fans.

Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, and Superman Returns are good examples of that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Somehow I doubt that would work, either way it wouldn't promt discussion.

The word and smiley summed up my feelings on your post succinctly, i didn't need anymore, and I am not untouchable.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Who's spending all day on the internet? Are you timing everyone on the SHH forums? Being a fan of the character does not equate bias. Quite the contrary, with most people if the movie does not do justice to the character they love so much, then the movie is slayed by the fans.

Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, and Superman Returns are good examples of that.

Are these the same SM3 fans who gave the movie 10/10 before it even came out and they had yet to see it? I can only assume the same has happened here to a degree also, as is always the case, which is why ratings of films often drop rather quickly, people stop seeing the movie they wanted to see and see it for what it is.

Whenever examining any source of data, I find it useful to look at where the info comes from etc.

 

[Keyser Soze]

And what sort of people spend all day talking about batman films on the internet? Batman fans.

There are more reviews like Empire, The Sun etc, than sight and sound, the times etc.

MY POINT, was that for the target audience of the newspaper, the review was completely accurate. The paper isn't aimed at people who go to see a film unfold in one-two-three fashion, with all the generic formula pieces. There's nothing wrong with that particular audience, until they try to elevate something above it's status.

For something aimed at 'the masses', it achieves it's aims. But for someone who's DVD collection holds La Jetee, Chunking Express, Metropolis, A bittersweet life, All about my mother, Amoros Perros etc, then consulting Comso Landesman's review will be very helpful.

Oh yes, 95% of the reviews out there are aimed at the Great Unwashed, those too stupid and fanboyish to have any appreciation for REAL cinema.

Only an elite few, like Cosmo Landesman, are truly able to reflect the more refined tastes of a TRUE fan of cinema, such as yourself, Cyrusbales. The Times is meant for people with intelligence and class, unlike the vast majority of publications and sites that loved "The Dark Knight".

What, wait a second...two out of the three reviews from The Times were glowing?! But...ummm.....ummm.....they don't count! I....uh....AMORES PERRES! LA JETEE! MOVIES WITH FOREIGN TITLES! I KNOW MY STUFF! LOOK A FLYING MONKEY!

 

[Cyrusbales]

Oh yes, 95% of the reviews out there are aimed at the Great Unwashed, those too stupid and fanboyish to have any appreciation for REAL cinema.

Only an elite few, like Cosmo Landesman, are truly able to reflect the more refined tastes of a TRUE fan of cinema, such as yourself, Cyrusbales. The Times is meant for people with intelligence and class, unlike the vast majority of publications and sites that loved "The Dark Knight".

What, wait a second...two out of the three reviews from The Times were glowing?! But...ummm.....ummm.....they don't count! I....uh....AMORES PERRES! LA JETEE! MOVIES WITH FOREIGN TITLES! I KNOW MY STUFF! LOOK A FLYING MONKEY!

Wow, someone taking the easy route as per usual, attacking the poster, how delightful.

 

[The Joker]

Are these the same SM3 fans who gave the movie 10/10 before it even came out and they had yet to see it? I can only assume the same has happened here to a degree also, as is always the case, which is why ratings of films often drop rather quickly, people stop seeing the movie they wanted to see and see it for what it is.

Wait, you're saying that most of the votes on that poll are from people who voted before even seeing the movie?

Oy vey! Hunter, you were right about this guy giving people a headache.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't like Batman Begins either, right? Three years later, and it's still hailed as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Did all those who gave it 10 back then vote before being seeing the movie, too?

No. So it knocks your little theorey into a cocked hat.

Whenever examining any source of data, I find it useful to look at where the info comes from etc.

Yeah, and it came from comic book fans, general movie fans, and movie critics like on RT. You're hailing ONE guy from some British newspaper like he's some kind of absolute.

The absurdity of it is unreal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Wait, you're saying that most of the votes on that poll are from people who voted before even seeing the movie?

Oy vey! Hunter, you were right about this guy giving people a headache.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't like Batman Begins either, right? Three years later, and it's still hailed as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Did all those who gave it 10 back then vote before being seeing the movie, too?

No. So it knocks your little theorey into a cocked hat.



Yeah, and it came from comic book fans, general movie fans, and movie critics like on RT. You're hailing ONE guy from some British newspaper like he's some kind of absolute.

The absurdity of it is unreal.

If I remember correctly, he loves Superman Returns, though.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Wait, you're saying that most of the votes on that poll are from people who voted before even seeing the movie?

Oy vey! Hunter, you were right about this guy giving people a headache.

Ah yes, Cyrusbales has quite a history on this front. I recall a lengthy argument with him back on the "Begins" board, that basically boiled down to... there is no such thing as subjective opinion when it comes to movies. If you like the films he likes, you are right, and if you don't, you are wrong. If the vast majority of people like something he hates, this apparently only indicates that the vast majority of people don't understand good cinema.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Wait, you're saying that most of the votes on that poll are from people who voted before even seeing the movie?

Oy vey! Hunter, you were right about this guy giving people a headache.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't like Batman Begins either, right? Three years later, and it's still hailed as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Did all those who gave it 10 back then vote before being seeing the movie, too?

No. So it knocks your little theorey into a cocked hat.



Yeah, and it came from comic book fans, general movie fans, and movie critics like on RT. You're hailing ONE guy from some British newspaper like he's some kind of absolute.

The absurdity of it is unreal.

No, I expressed my own opinion, using skills I learnt with the BFI among other places.

RT seems to be your absolute, whilst is does draw from a multitude of sources, you then have to look at what the multitude of sources are, most sources are aimed at the majority, who are not necessarily fans of cinema etc, but like things that are relatviely simple, sometimes with a few more intriguing aspects. TDK is exactly this, as is BB.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Wait, you're saying that most of the votes on that poll are from people who voted before even seeing the movie?

Oy vey! Hunter, you were right about this guy giving people a headache.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't like Batman Begins either, right? Three years later, and it's still hailed as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Did all those who gave it 10 back then vote before being seeing the movie, too?

No. So it knocks your little theorey into a cocked hat.



Yeah, and it came from comic book fans, general movie fans, and movie critics like on RT. You're hailing ONE guy from some British newspaper like he's some kind of absolute.

The absurdity of it is unreal.

Stop making sense this instant!

 

[Cyrusbales]

Ah yes, Cyrusbales has quite a history on this front. I recall a lengthy argument with him back on the "Begins" board, that basically boiled down to... there is no such thing as subjective opinion when it comes to movies. If you like the films he likes, you are right, and if you don't, you are wrong. If the vast majority of people like something he hates, this apparently only indicates that the vast majority of people don't understand good cinema.

No, the vast majority of people HAVEN'T been exposed to good cinema, there is a massive difference.

Subjectivity is very important, however to claim there is no such thing as objectivity is rather strange. There is a balance to be struck, and yes, I skew more towards the objectivity side, but that comes from my background in philospohy amongst other things, where definaing absolutes is.....well, absolute!

 

[Hunter Rider]

No, the vast majority of people HAVEN'T been exposed to good cinema, there is a massive difference.

Subjectivity is very important, however to claim there is no such thing as objectivity is rather strange. There is a balance to be struck, and yes, I skew more towards the objectivity side, but that comes from my background in philospohy amongst other things, where definaing absolutes is.....well, absolute!

Good cinema by who's decree ? Yours ? a bunch of stuffed shirts that think anything that's 3 hours long, made with subtitles and filmed for 50 bucks in a shed in Madrid is high art ? Seriously dude, climb of your arrogance stool before you fall off....in fact fall off and maybe the bang to your head will clear your confusion as to just who in the hell you think you are.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Also, I should add that - while Cyrusbales seems to hold "REAL" film critics like Sight & Sound and The Times high above all the lesser critics who have praised "The Dark Knight" - two out of the three reviews from The Times have been glowing. And while I've yet to read their TDK review, one of the best positive reviews for "Batman Begins" that I have read came from...yes, that's right, "Sight & Sound".

 

[Cyrusbales]

Good cinema by who's decree ? Yours ? a bunch of stuffed shirts that think anything that's 3 hours long, made with subtitles and filmed for 50 bucks in a shed in Madrid is high art ? Seriously dude, climb of your arrogance stool before you fall off....in fact fall off and maybe the bang to your head will clear your confusion as to just who in the hell you think you are.

Again with the insults, no i refer to the objective school of cinema, A school of thought amongst cinema lovers that searches for pefection of an art form etc. It's not like I'm the only one who thinks Live Flesh or Brazil is a great film, it's not my personal standards as such, just a general unwritten evaluation that like-minded people share.

When somebody studies medicine, they can become an expert, if someone studies cookery, they too can become an expert, is it so difficult to concieve of the possiblity of someone becoming expert in other fields?(Before you attack me again, I am not referring to myself here)