The Dark Knight The Dark Knight Fan Review Thread

How Do You Rate The Dark Knight?

  • 10 - The praise isn't a matter of hyperbole. Get your keister to the theater to see this NOW! :up:

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  • 5 - We had to endure the boards crashing for this? :dry:

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  • 1 - They should have stopped while they were ahead with Batman Begins. :down


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But DID he leave it to chance? Considering how psychopathic the Joker was, he could have simply put Rachel in a warehouse that was farther away from the MCU lockup than Dent. Since he observed how Batman went for Rachel, and he was obviously "playing" with Batman's head by giving him the wrong address intentionally, it would be simple for him to put her farther away so that Gordon wouldn't have time to get to her.


Good point!

Just like how I like to think that although the Joker told the people on the ferries that the detonator would blow up the other ferry, knowing Joker it probably would have blown up their own.:woot:
 
Good point!

Just like how I like to think that although the Joker told the people on the ferries that the detonator would blow up the other ferry, knowing Joker it probably would have blown up their own.:woot:

That's what I think :hehe:
 
The use of "hyperbole" in your poll reminded me of an article in EW which states subjective opinion and emotional conjecture to such an extent as to make me question its status as journalism. I don't know if you've read it, but the article is rather irrationally biased and down right abnoxious.

Read it for yourself http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20216032,00.html
and just try and tell me it doesn't make you want to spend your salary on tickets just to make damn sure (ASAP) that The Dark Knight SINKS THAT DAMN SHIP!
 
ice burg right ahead.....

i agree, but that is a lot of cash.. hard to believe that a movie about that boat made all of that money.... i think dark knight will come close... i mean after all.. dvd sales and blue ray sales will go towards the total.. but WOW ... is that a lot of cash...

maybe they bring dark knight back to the theaters again months from now.. they do that when oscar talk happens.. and if this film gets any nominations.. they may do it... but jeeez... 600 million in the usa alone?...
 
I can get where you're coming from with how you viewed the film, and certainly I agree with a few of your points to an extent. Having said that, these last few surprise me.

Regarding the Batmobile, I was fine with both. With it destroyed now one of the main pieces of evidence linking Batman to Wayne Enterprises is gone. Clearly he will build something new, and I imagine it will be the "Batmobile" both in name and look. As a number of others have pointed out, perhaps the Lamborghini flying through the streets of Gotham was a portent of things to come and a new Batmobile in the next film will be more sleeker and traditional, while still maintaining Nolan's real-world design perspective. If this occurs, then in all likelihood it will have the Batmobile name attached to it, just like the Bat-Pod did.

No Fear Gas: There was. Apart from the entire scene actually being about Scarecrow selling it to the mob to on-sell as drugs, Scarecrow uses it against one of the wannabe Batmans when getting into his van.

Begins Suit: I was OK with the length of time it appeared. After seeing the TDK suit on screen in the later scenes it clearly shows just how bulky the Begins suit was and so it made perfect sense for me. It appeared in two films, which is more than any other suit has so far.

No Batcave: Well, his moving into an apartment has it's basis in the comics and it would take time for Wayne Manor to be rebuilt. Considering that the Joker establishes that it's only been a year since Batman first appeared it's reasonable to assume that Wayne Manor wouldn't be totally rebuilt yet. As such, I think like a new Batmobile, we will see a new Batcave in the next film and it will also trend towards a little more of the traditional look (eg more tech down there etc)

I thought the Two-Face CGI was very well done. A lot of people seem to have some issues with it, but I found it to be rendered very well and blended seamlessly in there. A great improvement over the TLJ Two Face look.

Tumbler-
I just love that beast, what I was saying, was that I was disappointed that it did not have a larger role in the film. And that it was not referred to as The Batmobile. Hopefully in the next film, the next Bat-car will be.

Fear Gas-
I meant we (the viewer) did not get to see the hallucinatory effects of it.

Begins Suit-
I much prefer the look of it over TDK suit, so I was hoping it would be worn for the first half of the film.

Batcave/Wayne Manor-
I understand the situation; I'm just saying I missed it. The underground base made sense, but is no way as cool as the Batcave. I hope in the next film Wayne Manor is complete.

These issues do not effect how I rate the film, they are just mild disappointments.
 
when it came about the nurse costuem i was the number one complainer. i hated the idea with a passion. joker with nurse clothes just didnt sound right. i didnt like the idea. i thougth that it would not fit.
after the movie i think it was one of the best joker scenes. so i here admit my mistake.

this is an amazing joker scene. heath acted amazing. how he walked was extreme funny and scary. the guy was nuts

Is there a higher quality pick of that? Where did you get the picture from? Its really cool.
 
I don't know if you've talked about this already, but how do you guys feel about bats taking the blame for dent's murders?
 
Is there a higher quality pick of that? Where did you get the picture from? Its really cool.
its from a CGI site that did two face make up. i think it is framestore
 
I don't know if you've talked about this already, but how do you guys feel about bats taking the blame for dent's murders?
i am reading through pages for days now. and i didnt see anyone mention this.

remember guys when batman told that he is finished to Dent? so Dent sacrificed himself and said that he is batman. he did it for the good. and remember how rachel was angry at bruce? she talks to alfred about this.

here is the main connection with the end.the connection with dent and wayne. dent sacraficed himself. and bruce was shocked. at the end batman did the same. it was supposed to be IMO a message. this is what makes a real hero IMO.

i just think it is strange that i didnt seen this here. it is a big thing in the movie.
 
I don't know if you've talked about this already, but how do you guys feel about bats taking the blame for dent's murders?

Obviously his name will be cleared in the third movie, but only after we've had a Year One style Batman Vs SWAT set piece which will probably open the movie.
 
i am reading through pages for days now. and i didnt see anyone mention this.

remember guys when batman told that he is finished to Dent? so Dent sacrificed himself and said that he is batman. he did it for the good. and remember how rachel was angry at bruce? she talks to alfred about this.

here is the main connection with the end.the connection with dent and wayne. dent sacraficed himself. and bruce was shocked. at the end batman did the same. it was supposed to be IMO a message. this is what makes a real hero IMO.

i just think it is strange that i didnt seen this here. it is a big thing in the movie.

I agree, I did get that. The whole sacrificing himself to let Harvey be the hero is what makes a hero out of Batman. But why did he take them on himself rather than blaming the Joker? He did turn Harvey crazy, and if they were already lying to the world about who had commited those murders, why not Joker?



Obviously his name will be cleared in the third movie, but only after we've had a Year One style Batman Vs SWAT set piece which will probably open the movie.

Haha, probably.


Guilty.:whatever:
 
I agree, I did get that. The whole sacrificing himself to let Harvey be the hero is what makes a hero out of Batman. But why did he take them on himself rather than blaming the Joker? He did turn Harvey crazy, and if they were already lying to the world about who had commited those murders, why not Joker?

There could be a couple of reasons for this. First, it is much more unethical than Batman taking it on himself and would be a cowardly act which ill fits a hero like Batman. Secondly, if during the prosecution it is proved that The Joker was falsely accused (and why won't it), then the whole trial could fall into the Joker's favor and he could walk away with only a minimal sentence.
 
Tumbler-
I just love that beast, what I was saying, was that I was disappointed that it did not have a larger role in the film. And that it was not referred to as The Batmobile. Hopefully in the next film, the next Bat-car will be.

Fear Gas-
I meant we (the viewer) did not get to see the hallucinatory effects of it.

Begins Suit-
I much prefer the look of it over TDK suit, so I was hoping it would be worn for the first half of the film.

Batcave/Wayne Manor-
I understand the situation; I'm just saying I missed it. The underground base made sense, but is no way as cool as the Batcave. I hope in the next film Wayne Manor is complete.

These issues do not effect how I rate the film, they are just mild disappointments.
Yeah, totally get where you are coming from and I agree with all your points except for the suit. I'm sure the next film will be nice when we all see a new, fully fleshed out batcave and custom designed Batmobile. I'll probably appreciate them more because of the wait.
 
Not since Clockwork Orange has a movie been so visually and thematically rich. From the sweeping skyline blue city backdrops shots to the spiraling camera work. TDK is filled with indelible moments soon to be engrained into pop culture, forever remembering Ledger's performance as the Joker. Additionally, the film revolves around ethical issues, human frailty, the nature of chaos, all while Joker proves a thin layer exists between sanity and madness showing anyone is capable of losing their minds.

This is quite an accomplishment for Nolan becuase I am a very tough grader.

97/100
 
There could be a couple of reasons for this. First, it is much more unethical than Batman taking it on himself and would be a cowardly act which ill fits a hero like Batman. Secondly, if during the prosecution it is proved that The Joker was falsely accused (and why won't it), then the whole trial could fall into the Joker's favor and he could walk away with only a minimal sentence.

I hadn't really thougt of that. Thanks, now I really don't have any reason to dislike the movie.:woot:
 
i wouldn't say Joker is insane, infact i think hes super-sane, he has so much clarity and is always knowing what he is doing. I would call him a phychotic genius!!
 
I liked it.

Main things I am prickly about: It got a little preachy/repetitive at the end; they could have made the dialogue more subtle without losing the "effect" or intent. The sonar thing wasn't necessary and was bordering on Deus Ex Machina. I get they want to touch up on the ethics of surveillance, and expand on the Lucius Fox character, but sometimes you need to make cuts for cohesion and pacing.

The Dark Knight: 8.5/10

Looking back in retrospect:
Batman Begins: 7.8/10
Iron Man: 7.5/10
Spider-Man 2: 7.2/10
Superman Returns: 5.8/10
 
i wouldn't say Joker is insane, infact i think hes super-sane, he has so much clarity and is always knowing what he is doing. I would call him a phychotic genius!!

well u know what they say, there's a very fine line between genius and insanity, i definately think joker is straddling this line
 
I hadn't really thougt of that. Thanks, now I really don't have any reason to dislike the movie.:woot:

Another problem with placing the blame on the Joker...at least for Dent, is that the Joker was left hanging for the SWAT, while only Batman, Gordon, Gordon's family, and Dent were at the warehouse. The other police surrounding it would know that the Joker couldn't be responsible for Dent's death, but Batman could.
 
I'm not going to totally bash this guy...because I agree SLIGHTLY!!!! With 1 of his points...

a. the architecture (but come on...that is just pure nit picking...I don't care if it's shot in Chicago...a couple gargoyales here and there would be cool...but Im not complaining)

buuuuuut as soon as you read that he wanted PRINCE for the soundtrack...you know he is off his rocker (but he isn't flaming...this is a real review article...)

Top 5 Reasons the Dark Knight Misses the MarkAug 5, 08:20 AM
I know I’m in store for a whole load of religious persecution, since I’m speaking out against the latest religious movement to sweep the world, Dark Knight worship. I know I won’t be convincing most of you that The Dark Knight was a terrible, lackluster snooze fest, but I do have a top five list of why this most recent installment misses its mark.

This of course is coming from a lifelong bat-fan, so I understand that a summer blockbuster has to be made for the masses, therefore it will lose a lot of what makes Batman Batman.

5. The Soundtrack
No Danny Elfman score, no Prince, no Smashing Pumpkins, no Seal. I mean, really?

4. Set Design

I know this seems small, like I’m nitpicking, but seriously guys, Gotham City is not Chicago.

If Christopher Nolan was as keen as he claims on making the film realistic, then he ought to do one of two things, either set the film in a city with more Gothic architecture or change the Caped Crusader’s outfit to the grey costume we’ve seen in so many comic books and small screen adaptations.

Urban camouflage is key. There is maybe one or two scenes where Batman doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb. It’s ridiculous.

Tim Burton must be crying himself to sleep every night after making two films with such stellar set designs only to have the franchise turn into The Untouchables.

3. The Joker

Now, by no means am I insulting Heath Ledger’s performance.

Firstly, that’s the meanest Jack Nicholson impression I have ever seen, he has the voice down. Secondly, his sense of timing and physical comedy was on par with that of Bruce Campbell and other great character actors. However, that character Heath played, though creepy, was not the Joker.

The Joker doesn’t give a damn about social experiments or corrupting moral citizens. The fact that he has no understanding of moral lines is what makes him the charming sociopath that he is. This character tries so hard to prove that he’s scary and crazy that it becomes clear he’s putting on an act. The Joker should be whimsical one moment and ready to poison you the next. He’s supposed to laugh hysterically, which didn’t happen that much in this recent film.

I did enjoy the homage to Jack Nicholson like the whole ‘come on, kill me,’ sequence with the motorcycle (reminiscent of the Batwing sequence from the 1989 release).

2. Terrible Martial Arts

Batman is one of the DC Universe’s top martial artists. Hired goons also know a thing or two about fighting. Michael Jai White is one of Hollywood’s top martial arts actors. So why did the fights in this film suck the bag?

Don’t ask me, I have no bloody clue.

The style used in the film is Keysi’s Fighting Method or KFM, one of the new breed of reality-based combat systems that seem to think the block-hammer fist combo is unstoppable and that you should keep your hands pressed against your head at all times instead of, you know, punching or grappling.

Firstly it is a film, fight sequences should be visually appealing. Secondly, Batman should demonstrate superior techniques since we can only assume that you have to train all the time to be good enough to pick fights with hardened mobsters every night.

Not only was the usage of KFM not true to the character, who roamed the planet studying under great masters, but it’s a relatively unknown and untested style. Sticking to Nolan’s idea of ’realism,’ you’d think he select a fighting method for Batman that has been tried and tested in the military or by police forces, something like Krav Maga, Sambo or Escrima.

It must have been too much to ask to bring in Donnie Yen to choreograph realistic techniques that still look cool.

1. Not Enough Batman

This is obviously the big one.

Batman does not enjoy a lot of screen time in this picture, and when he does, it’s not any Batman I recognize. Batman is an obsessive egomaniac who drives the action, he doesn’t sit around whining about his feelings until something so bad happens he is forced to react.

He’s the world’s greatest detective, so he doesn’t rely on Lucius Fox to solve all his problems for him. Also, he is not Superman, so he doesn’t bend gun barrels with his hands or leap off tall buildings without the use of a grappling hook.

Batman is also not Daredevil. The special effects of his ‘sonar sense’ equipment were almost identical to that of the Daredevil film (who wants to rip off Daredevil?).

I know people are going to say something silly like “this is only the beginning of his career, he’ll get better.” Well, every step in a stupid direction makes it harder to turn the character back into what he should be, just look at Smallville, which is what this film reminded me of (sadly enough). My big fear is that the box office success of this film will influence comic book writers to change the Batman character in the comics to the one in the film.

Once the hype from this film and Heath Ledger’s death calms down, I’d like to think that the film will not be voted the greatest movie of all time on the Internet Movie Database, because our morbid fascination with a dead star is shameful.

I should also hope that the next film in the franchise cleans up its act a little bit, bearing in mind some of the oversights listed above. Better production, better fight sequences and more detective work from the Dark Knight Detective is just what the doctor ordered for this franchise and I hope we see more of it.
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I'm going to see this film for a second time this weekend. I need to see it lots for the whole thing to fully sink in. It may be the the case that after multiple viewings I rate it highter than my initial score of 8.5.

One thing that stands out in my mind after only one screening is the quality of the perormances. Bale, Ledger, Oldman and Eckhart all portray truly believable characters. Eckhart is especially good, and I did not even see Ledger on screen just the Joker.
 
Finally saw it again. It's still a 9/10. The action is quite good once one has a chance to inspect what's going on, at least on par with BEGINS. The over the top performances from the supporting cast are less grating the second time around, as is Bale's Batman voice, though it's still uneven. Some of my issues with pacing and inconsistent and illogical writing remain, which is what keeps this movie from being a 10. Still a good movie, though.
 
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