henzINNIT
Superhero
- Joined
- Oct 25, 2009
- Messages
- 6,061
- Reaction score
- 3,573
- Points
- 103
Did you ever see Magneto and Mystique call each other friends in the old X-Men movies? Did you see either of them shed a tear for each other? Did you even see them share a personal moment? No. The closest you get is when Magneto callously walks away from her without a second thought after she is hit with the cure and becomes human, and she is visibly hurt by this.
The Jennifer Lawrence version of the character rewrote the book on Mystique by giving her a personal back story with both Magneto and Charles that was not evident at all in the Singer/Ratner movies.
E.g. Lawrence's character would never have done things like sabotaged Cerebro to hurt Charles and put him in a coma.
We see Magneto put his arms around her in X1, the pair laugh and joke in X2, and a sheer look of horror in Magneto's face when Mystique steps in front of the cure dart in TLS. The pair are obviously close. Magneto abandoning Mystique after she is cured was a brutal twist, and only works because they were close before.
No Lawrence-era Mystique required, though their romantic relationship in that is built from the subtext of their relationship in the OT.
All irrelevant anyway. Their fond relationship has no impact on Bane's status as a lackey. If anything, it hurts your case. Bane follows Talia because he loves her. Henchman behavior.
In the sewer fight scene.
I see nothing about him proving his worth in that scene. If I read too much out of single line then surely you can be accused of doing the same out of no line at all.
No, the audience was supposed to think Bruce heard a skewed version of the story. Bane was never the child in the pit, just like he was never excommunicated for being too extreme.
Bane presents himself as the LOS, not him and his mercenaries, just him. Talia never calls herself it. So nothing was misdirected or negated.
So Talia was never in the League of Shadows? Interesting.
Except it isn't. Your basis for this was Talia calls the shots as soon as she is revealed. She tells Bane to do one little thing, which he doesn't even do. Exact same scenario with Ock and Harry. Just because one villain tells the other to do something doesn't mean they are calling the shots. If that was the case then just about every villain team up is a boss/lackey scenario.
Another strawman. By the time Talia is revealed they have like 9 minutes to live. What happens is Talia reveals her backstory, calls Bane her friend, and tells him she wants Batman alive to die with the rest of Gotham. That one line does not in any way dictate she has been calling the shots or masterminded everything.
Call strawman all you like bud. The film only gives you the one scene with the two of them. In it, we find out that the motivation is hers, not his. This seems like an awfully convoluted argument over the word "lackey". I don't know why it stings so much.
If you think about it as well, there is no way in hell Talia would have been able to complete her mission or even do half the things she did achieve in the movie without Bane's involvement. Bane was feared and that's why the genuine lackey's obeyed him, they were terrified of falling foul of Bane as they were terrified of him, same with Catwoman, same with Daggart, or anyone else they enlisted to help. Bane was also needed to draw out Batman and break him so he could suffer the torture of watching his city burn to ashes. Without Bane Talia wouldn't have gotten anywhere close to succeeding g in the majority of what she set out to.
Lackey's aren't usually that important to a plan succeeding. Bane is essential
Not really the case. Henchmen can be really important. To go back to the X-Men example, Mystique is incredibly valuable to Magneto's plans. She even orchestrates his prison break in X2.
The definition of henchman is simply that they are a follower. I'd argue Bane is precisely that.
Last edited: