The Dark Knight Rises Sewer Fight vs. The Winter Soldier Highway Fight

[Ivan Drago]

They could have given him a much more respectable send off though. Not have Selina kill him randomly and then say a jokey one liner (sound familiar)?

 

[The Batman]

I'd like it more if Catwoman and Bane had a more meaningful/dynamic in the film. But they don't, IMO. I don't even think they have a scene together.

In "Thunderball", the villain is killed by a woman, and it works perfectly. Because in that movie, there is a history between Domino and Largo, and the conflict between them is effective enough that seeing her kill Largo was much more satisfying than James Bond doing it.

 

[batfreakforever]

The Dark knight rises is a Chris Nolan Batman film which stars probably the most famous Batman of the live action Batman apart from the god that is Adam West which is Christian Bale. One movie will be forever remembered and one wont.
His Batman set the standard.
The Dark Knight Rises was a story about the end of Bales Batman and a trilogy final.
Bales Batman is a more realistic fighting Batman and Cap America has a super soilder formula in him the gives him his powers.
Cap has a more unrealistic fighting style and Bales Bats has a realistic one.
They are two completely different styles and this thread is just another attempt to put a dc vs marvel thread and another to take shots a Bales Bats for his fighting style.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah, I can't say I care for how Bane died. Matter of fact, I'm still not entirely happy with Batman/Bane Round 2.

I do wish Batman had a better retort to "So, you've come back to die with your city."

"No I've come back to stop you" is just kind of dippy superhero blather. At the risk of fueling Frank Miller's delusions of grandeur, if there was one moment ever in a movie to have the GD Batman, this was it. "No, I came back because I'm the goddamn Batman!" And then the fight commences, it would be an epic applause line.

 

[DACrowe]

I'd like it more if Catwoman and Bane had a more meaningful/dynamic in the film. But they don't, IMO. I don't even think they have a scene together.

In "Thunderball", the villain is killed by a woman, and it works perfectly. Because in that movie, there is a history between Domino and Largo, and the conflict between them is effective enough that seeing her kill Largo was much more satisfying than James Bond doing it.

I actually prefer it in Rises, because it is done from a position of strength for Catwoman, and is done in a way that I at least found shocking in a good way. In Thunderball, Domino is victimized tortured, and even tied to a bed by Largo. Bond is in shock just as much that she was able to contribute as he is that Largo is dead. Just my two cents though since I never really liked Thunderball that much (though Domino is memorable for other reasons).

 

[titansupes]

"No, I came back to break you" would've been great, though it does make Batman somehow sound less altruistic than "stop you", and the same effect is given just a few minutes later when he throws "Then you have my permission to die" back in Bane's face.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I can't say I care for how Bane died. Matter of fact, I'm still not entirely happy with Batman/Bane Round 2.

The way Bane died wasn't an issue for me. But I agree the 2nd fight was a bit of a let down compared to the first.

I can't think of any other way for Bane to be taken out. He had to die. The bomb wasn't going off, so somebody had to end him. It shouldn't be Batman, so who? Gordon? Blake? Selina? Out of those three, who makes the most sense when you think about where they are in the story and their characterization. I vote Selina. And it shows Selina returning to help Batman, which was also the point. The best part about it is how sudden of a death it was. A lot of fans didn't like that but i loved it. He literally went out with a bang, and it's a MASSIVE one. He gets blown across the damn hallway by the batpod. Or "catpod" i should say. Remember what Ras once said? "Death does not wait for you to be ready. Death isn't considerate OR fair". Two-Face and Bane both die a quick death. The audience isn't ready for Bane to be blasted away like that. If you really think about how he goes, it's a holy s**t moment. And Catwoman's line just makes her look like a complete boss. So why are people annoyed that he died that way? Is it because it's a woman/catwoman? I hope not. Is it because they're uncomfortable by a quick death they didn't see coming? What do you want? I'm curious. I want to hear a second or third option..

The way Bane died has never bothered me, I thought it was a good moment for Catwoman as she previously had stated how terrified she was of Bane. Yet she faced her fear to come back and save Batman.

 

[Erzengel]

The Dark knight rises is a Chris Nolan Batman film

It is!?!?

 

[Zen Machine]

The Highway fight is just a decently choreographed generic fight. There's no depth to it.

Nothing in that fight can beat the tension, the emotional stakes, the atmosphere, the sound effects of the sewer fight. Bane's amazing lines and intimidating and dominant presence are on a completely different league from anything i saw from baby face "who the hell is bucky" Winter Soldier. There is just nothing about that character that impressed me. Nothing special, nothing unique, nothing interesting.

BTW, to me the ultimate proof that the sewer fight is a better scene is the simple fact that even with not so elaborated choreography it still manages to be considered a great and memorable scene. It shows that on every other element it is remarkable. Take away the cute stunts from the highway scene and you're left with almost nothing, character, story and setting wise.

 

[Zen Machine]

The way Bane died wasn't an issue for me. But I agree the 2nd fight was a bit of a let down compared to the first.



The way Bane died has never bothered me, I thought it was a good moment for Catwoman as she previously had stated how terrified she was of Bane. Yet she faced her fear to come back and save Batman.

The way Bane was handled was very out of the box. From his voice and mannerisms to the way they finished him, he was just an unexpected character, and i pretty much like that. Bane died in the same way a lot of amazing soldiers die in real life war scenarios: unexpectedly and laughably. It wasn't a glamorous death, but Nolan didn't want it to be, because death doesn't have to be glamorous, and most of the time isn't. It's nice to get something different and unexpected from time to time. His voice is absolutely bizarre. I love it. It doesn't match the body or the attitude, which makes it creepy and intriguing. Still very intimidating. Just watch the sewer scene with Jim Gordon. The presence and level of intimidation that man was able to generate is well above anything i've seen in any other CB movie.

I know some people didn't like it. But for those people we have characters like Loki. There's a cup of tea for everyone.

 

[JackWhite]

Sewer Fight. I never thought we'd get the Knightfall beatdown on film, none the less Bane actually breaking Batman like in the comic. That scene, that fight, IMO - was perfection. Batman actually starts fighting with his usual technique, but as the fight goes on he gets more desperate and is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Bane. No score, just the sound of Batman's battle cries, Bane's taunts and the waterfall in the background.

TWS Highway fight was great stuff, but it doesn't top Batman and Bane's first matchup.

 

[Zen Machine]

Sewer Fight. I never thought we'd get the Knightfall beatdown on film, none the less Bane actually breaking Batman like in the comic. That scene, that fight, IMO - was perfection. Batman actually starts fighting with his usual technique, but as the fight goes on he gets more desperate and is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Bane. No score, just the sound of Batman's battle cries, Bane's taunts and the waterfall in the background.

TWS Highway fight was great stuff, but it doesn't top Batman and Bane's first matchup.

I was truly surprise when i saw Bane lifting him in the air. Great surprising moment. Not something i would expect from Nolan. Too brutal and close to the source material. Loved it.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Bane's grunt when he lifts Bruce is hilarious. Sounds like a dying Parrot.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Bane's grunt when he lifts Bruce is hilarious. Sounds like a dying Parrot.

They are both hilarious when they talk all the time imo, which kind of works against the dramatic dialogue. I find it especially funny at the lengths Batman goes to keep his silly voice, both when he's alone at a roof top, as well as when he's being beaten down in this scene and supposedly has given up and has a death wish. Badman of course helped make that voice even funnier and I can't let go of that now.

 

[King23DC]

I felt Bruce's pain and fighting skill atrophy. Was brutal to see him at his lowest point with nothing but a death wish getting torn apart by Bane. Winter Soldier scene was just fun. That's it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

The fight scenes in TDKT were not the strongest part of the trilogy

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll need to watch The Winter Soldier again to give a good answer to that.
I sure can't say "One is more personal" without shaking my head over it when I look back to what I write here, so I'll skip stating such a sentiment seriously.

I'd like it more if Catwoman and Bane had a more meaningful/dynamic in the film. But they don't, IMO. I don't even think they have a scene together.

Good point.

 

[Steamteck]

I don't even understand how folks can like the sewer fight. The whole more personal and emotional part claimed for the sewer fight just doesn't hang for a 2nd vs "who the hell is Bucky". Just that moment alone by itself crushes it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't even understand how folks can like the sewer fight.

A big threat coming to town after years of relaxation, the threat that first made Batman, the atmosphere, the lighting, and more...
It's a great fight to witness.

 

[Peter_Quill]

I do wish Batman had a better retort to "So, you've come back to die with your city."

"No I've come back to stop you" is just kind of dippy superhero blather. At the risk of fueling Frank Miller's delusions of grandeur, if there was one moment ever in a movie to have the GD Batman, this was it. "No, I came back because I'm the goddamn Batman!" And then the fight commences, it would be an epic applause line.

"There's something you should know about me and this city. We're great survivors."

 

[Steamteck]

A big threat coming to town after years of relaxation, the threat that first made Batman, the atmosphere, the lighting, and more...
It's a great fight to witness.

I'm glad you enjoy it. It didn't click with anyone I physically know even folks I know who like the trilogy dislike that fight.

It gave my crowd something to laugh about. The martial artists in my circle fight choreography to disdain, big jokes about the firecracker attack and a great Bane impression my college age son does.

To each its own I guess. Obviously it worked very well for some folks.