The Dark Knight The Dark Knight: tomatometer predictions, ratings and discussion

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Sure! I love Spider-Man 2.

Apparently Parker can't make a good third film though.

Damn right he cant, Parker is nothing but a wuss!

 

[Microchip]

WOAH WOAH new rotten that says it's the worst batman film including Batman and Robin...

Ugh, for that to happen Batman would have to once again make use of his trusty Batman Mastercard, and I don't think that's going to happen. It'd only be critics who loved the first but hated TDK that would scare me. I'm just going to try to avoid critics until after I see the movie, so they don't taint me going in.

 

[jackjack924]

Another rotten from...you guessed it...NEW YORK!!

that's what? Six out of six?

I'm going to disregard that review because he gave What Happens in Vegas a positive review...

poor soul...

 

[Microchip]

Well, I saw a couple from New York that were Fresh and very, very positive about it. It's the people that are so in love with Burton's movies that they can't accept a serious, noir Batman. Not saying Burton's is bad, but this is a new direction that those few critics won't accept. They're the people that hated Begins too.

But some critics aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some critics just want to watch the world burn.

 

[jackjack924]

But some critics aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some critics just want to watch the world burn.

All the negative ones are from NY, not all NY reviews are negative. It's just so odd to me that all the negative reviews are concentrated in one place.

And they even got the premiere in New York! Not fair.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

RT meter at 90%
53 Fresh, 6 Rotten
Avg Rating 8.1/10

 

[TheSmokingMan]

Negative review, no spoilers.
http://www.nypress.com/21/29/film/ArmondWhite.cfm

This one is making me mad because of it's psuedo-intellectual moralizing bs. He thinks TDK is nihilistic (without a moral compass), cynical, and sees it as some kind of generational obsession by us 20 somethings and teenagers. After he goes on at great length about our love for our own destruction and anti-heroes, he follows it up with several paragraphs of Burton love of all things. One gets the feeling that he has difficulty making sense of the complicated world we live in today and wished things were black and white so the choices were easier and we never had to consider the repercussions of our actions.

 

[Microchip]

One gets the feeling that he has difficulty making sense of the complicated world we live in today

Hahaha, the movie made him think... THAT'S not what a movie is supposed to do! But the Burton part really seems to reinforce that a lot of these interviewers can't accept Batman being anything besides campy and... Burtonesque. There's so much more there, and TDK is tapping it for sure.

 

[jackjack924]

The review doesn't just attack the movie, it attacks us, people who enjoy it. Like it or not, comic book characters are our mythology and often reflect the situations and mood of the world in which we live in. In the 40's characters were fighting Hitler and in the 80's they were fighting drugs. The world today is a very dark one. There are people out there who do nothing but train to terrorize and then go and do it. So why not make a modern movie about an agent of chaos that greaty reflects the inner demons we as individuals and as a collective population?

But apparently some people cannot see past the source material or the medium by which the story is told (movie in this instance). Some people just want to shut everything out and be blindly entertained. But then we'd lose everything that makes movies great: the ability to make us feel love, hate, fear, insecurity. And most of all we would lose our ability for this movie to question what we, as individuals and as citizens of a larger world, represent and what we want our personal destiny's to be.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Negative review, no spoilers.
http://www.nypress.com/21/29/film/ArmondWhite.cfm

This one is making me mad because of it's psuedo-intellectual moralizing bs. He thinks TDK is nihilistic (without a moral compass), cynical, and sees it as some kind of generational obsession by us 20 somethings and teenagers. After he goes on at great length about our love for our own destruction and anti-heroes, he follows it up with several paragraphs of Burton love of all things. One gets the feeling that he has difficulty making sense of the complicated world we live in today and wished things were black and white so the choices were easier and we never had to consider the repercussions of our actions.

This guy could have saved himself a whole lot of typing by simply saying, "It's not Tim Burton's Batman, so I hate it." Because that's pretty much what his entire review boils down to. I also find it amusing that he spends so much time talking about how dreary and depressing TDK is and then he... get this... heaps praise upon BATMAN RETURNS!?! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Batman Returns. Easily my favorite Batman movie after Batman Begins (my list will probably change after I've seen TDK). But Batman Returns is incredibly depressing, especially with how Penguin turns out and what happens to Bruce and Selina's relationship. As a matter of fact, the only hopeful part of that movie is at the end when we find out that Selina is actually still alive. He really has no room to talk about how depressing TDK is if he's going to heap such praise on Returns with that movie being as dark as it is. And then there's this BS:

Aaron Eckhart’s cop role in The Black Dahlia humanized the complexity of crime and morality. But as Harvey Dent, sorrow transforms him into the vengeful Two-Face, another Armageddon freak in Nolan’s sideshow. The idea is that Dent proves heroism is improbable or unlikely in this life. Dent says, “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain.” What kind of crap is that to teach our children, or swallow ourselves? Such illogic sums up hipster nihilism, just like Herzog’s Encounters at the End of the World. Putting that crap in a Batman movie panders to the naiveté of those who have not outgrown the moral simplifications of old comics but relish cynicism as smartness.

It's as if he's saying Nolan created Two-Face!? If he has a problem with Two-Face's characterization, he should take it up with the character's creators, not Nolan. Hell, even if the guy had seen Batman Forever, you'd think he'd know what Two-Face was about. That quote from Harvey wasn't meant to send ANY kind of message to children. It was meant to foreshadow Harvey's fall from grace. Good Lord... people that are this clueless about the subject matter shouldn't be allowed to write reviews.

The Joker’s escalation of urban chaos and destruction is accompanied by booming sound effects and sirens—to spook excitable kids. Ledger’s already-overrated performance consists of a Ratso Rizzo voice and lots of lip-licking. But how great of an actor was Ledger to accept this trite material in the first place?

Again, who ever told this jerk that the movie was directed towards kids? The director himself has said that it's NOT a movie people should take small children to. And you gotta love how, for all of his preaching about morality, the guy takes the time to insult Heath. What a class act.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

So now we have two full Non-Spoiler review threads I see.

 

[Seditionary]

I knew these ****ing ******s would do this. You can ****en give iron man all positive reviews and give it the benefit of the doubt...but a really good movie with tons of work put into it thats been hyped a ton gets shat on because its been hyped a bunch. I hate critics, the only opinion I respect is my own.

 

[Microchip]

the only opinion I respect is my own.

Hopefully that's an exaggeration. You should definately make up your own mind about things, but even so.

So now we have two full Non-Spoiler review threads I see.

Yeah, it's at the point where maybe they should be merged.

I guess the three pre-reqs of a bad TDK review are

a)From New York
b)Didn't like Begins
c)Loves Tim Burton

 

[evilskillz]

Up to 91% now. Hopefully we got the negative nelly's out of the way. It seems like the people that liked this film really liked it. Man this looks good.

 

[I Am The Knight]

91%...Good. Could it pass Spidey 2?

 

[TNC9852002]

Awesome!!

-TNC

 

[evilskillz]

who knows. I still think this movie is going to have certain people that dislike a really dark film. So that might hurt it's overall rating at the end of the day. However, if you look at the average rating, which is the real indicator how good a film is, it's really high. It's higher than Iron Man by a considerable margin at this point.

Which tells you one key thing. The people that aren't steadfast against this film, really really enjoyed it. Like thought it was near perfect if not as good as it gets. Very high praise for this flim by almost everyone. I believe this movie will be considered a much better film than Spiderman 2 and Iron Man by critics when it's all said and done. And I believe the general public will put this in another class as well...Even if it falls short on the tomatometer because of people who are anti dark and serious films.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Up to 91% now. Hopefully we got the negative nelly's out of the way. It seems like the people that liked this film really liked it. Man this looks good.

91%...Good. Could it pass Spidey 2?

That would be real tough but you never know. I'd be real happy if TDK can stay in the 90's.

 

[evilskillz]

Looking at Spiderman 2's page. I noticed The Dark Knight and Spidy 2 have the exact same average rating at this point- 8.2.

Maybe at the end of the day. Spiderman 2 will be considered the light hearted great superhero film.

And The Dark Knight will be considered the great dark, serious superhero film.

I choose dark over the light. Just me though.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

That would be real tough but you never know. I'd be real happy if TDK can stay in the 90's.

I choose dark over the light. Just me though.

Amen!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Up to 92%!!!
65 Fresh, 6 Rotten
Avg Rating up as well!!! 8.3/10

Top Critics is at 91%
20 Fresh, 2 Rotten
Avg Rating 8.1/10

 

[Bat Creature]

Again, who ever told this jerk that the movie was directed towards kids? The director himself has said that it's NOT a movie people should take small children to. And you gotta love how, for all of his preaching about morality, the guy takes the time to insult Heath. What a class act.

Armond White has his own - and rather strange - "moralistic" agenda.

Take a look at this article to understand (or be confused about) where he's coming from:

http://www.nypress.com/21/17/news&columns/feature3.cfm

In one section of this article he lists the recent movies he liked (World Trade Center, War of the Worlds, Bobby, The Brave One) vs. the irresponsible movies that the majority of the critics wrongfully liked (There Will Be Blood, Zodiac, Letters from Iwo Jima, A History of Violence). He actually describes the Jodie Foster revenge fantasy The Brave One as "sensitive, imaginative" and critics who disagree with this assessment as being "idiotic".
He seems to exist in his own dimension, and he really, really hates Gus Van Sant.

I read the above article some time before I saw his negative review of The Dark Knight. Coming across the "what kind of morals are these to teach our kids" line, I instantly thought "is this the same guy?" And yes, he was.

 

[Microchip]

I'm hoping one of the next positive critics starts their review with "This movie DESERVVVVES a better class of review. And I'm gonna give it to them! You'll see! I'll show ya!"

 

[I Am The Knight]

Up to 92%!!!
65 Fresh, 6 Rotten
Avg Rating up as well!!! 8.3/10

Top Critics is at 91%
20 Fresh, 2 Rotten
Avg Rating 8.1/10

"Impressive."

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Negative review, no spoilers.
http://www.nypress.com/21/29/film/ArmondWhite.cfm

This one is making me mad because of it's psuedo-intellectual moralizing bs. He thinks TDK is nihilistic (without a moral compass), cynical, and sees it as some kind of generational obsession by us 20 somethings and teenagers. After he goes on at great length about our love for our own destruction and anti-heroes, he follows it up with several paragraphs of Burton love of all things. One gets the feeling that he has difficulty making sense of the complicated world we live in today and wished things were black and white so the choices were easier and we never had to consider the repercussions of our actions.

Haha, only young people like it?
http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/ebertandroeper/index2.html?sec=1&subsec=1357

Roeper, who has hated every live action Batman film and has also liked the comics sees Batman Begins as the best Batman film. I can only wonder what he said about TDK.

EDIT: Search The Dark Knight as well.