The Debates Thread

[Orba]

Trump’s 2012 climate change tweet was debate’s most retweeted

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s 2012 tweet calling climate change a Chinese hoax was the most retweeted over the course of the first presidential debate of 2016 on Monday night.

“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese,” Trump said in the Nov. 6, 2012, tweet, which Democrat Hillary Clinton highlighted during an answer on clean energy Monday night.

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 6, 2012​

“Donald Trump thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese,” she said, to which Trump replied, “I did not. I do not say that.”

The tweet had at least 38,000 retweets before the debate began. As of Tuesday morning, it had been retweeted more than 89,000 times. Clinton’s campaign quoted Trump’s tweet in one of their own during the debate; that message, too, was retweeted more than 73,000 times.

"I never said that." —Donald Trump, who said that. #debatenight https://t.co/6T8qV2HCbL
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) September 27, 2016​

The official Twitter Government account deemed it the most retweeted message of the debate shortly after the event ended.

Trump doubts the science behind climate change, a position he has made clear during the campaign. Before his presidential run, he sent several tweets on the subject, calling climate change, among other things, a “hoax,” a “con job,” fictional” and “truly stupid.”

 

[Iceman]

Haha, why did he deny it now then?

 

[samsnee]

Well, he never SAID it. He just tweeted it. NOT A LIE.

 

[Iceman]

Lol. But why does he feel the need to deny it anyway? It's no more outrageous than some of his other statements. He also changed his mind on the Obama birth thing but I don't see the need once you've already said it and taken it that far.

 

[Kane52630]

Who won? I just woke up.

These HANDS!

 

[Kane52630]

 

[samsnee]

Lol. But why does he feel the need to deny it anyway? It's no more outrageous than some of his other statements. He also changed his mind on the Obama birth thing but I don't see the need once you've already said it and taken it that far.

Because he knows that stuff only plays to the tin foil hat crowd, and not to the mainstream.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[DeadPresident]

 

[KevanG]

You know, when we had our party leaders talking in a debate for a while, they talked about issues for a few hours and when people started going on the path to insanity our moderator made them stop.

Oh Canada, when will you take a lesson from our neighbours from the south and just let things run wild? I mean who wants to see something like this for 2 hours when we have the Clinton/Trump slapfight?

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[Evelisse]

if this is true, damn.

Spoiler

 

[samsnee]

https://***********/MajorCBS/status/780752084815712256

 

[Marvolo]

if this is true, damn.

Spoiler

Putin cheerleading for his beau. So sweet.

 

[Matt]

Giuliani: I'd skip next debates if I were Trump

He actually isn't wrong, at least from a political strategy standpoint. Trump has nothing to gain from debating. No matter how much he prepares, he will pale in comparison to Clinton. His normal schtick doesn't work. And if he switches it up he will be called weak (which he cannot stomach). So what's he do? Keep making a fool of himself. If he pulls out, he can blame the media and how unfair the debates are or whatever ******** he comes up with to save face. Sure, he will take a hit, but the hit is less than two more nights like last night. It makes sense to

And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. He will let the VP debate happen, because Pence will at least hold his own and can rehab the campaign's image a bit. But after that, I wouldn't be surprised if he announced that after seeing two debates and how "unfair" the media is, he is pulling out of the remaining two.

 

[Iceman]

Does the VP debate take place before the next 2 presidential debates?

 

[Sithborg]

I believe it is next week.

 

[Iceman]

Oh right thanks.

 

[Siby]

So what happens if Trump doesn't show up for the debate? Is the debate canceled, or does Hillary get 90 minutes of free air time?

 

[Raiden]

He actually isn't wrong, at least from a political strategy standpoint. Trump has nothing to gain from debating. No matter how much he prepares, he will pale in comparison to Clinton. His normal schtick doesn't work. And if he switches it up he will be called weak (which he cannot stomach). So what's he do? Keep making a fool of himself. If he pulls out, he can blame the media and how unfair the debates are or whatever ******** he comes up with to save face. Sure, he will take a hit, but the hit is less than two more nights like last night. It makes sense to

And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. He will let the VP debate happen, because Pence will at least hold his own and can rehab the campaign's image a bit. But after that, I wouldn't be surprised if he announced that after seeing two debates and how "unfair" the media is, he is pulling out of the remaining two.

Trump knows that as soon as he is forced to present facts in a moderated setting, against a seasoned debater like Hillary, he is screwed, but I also think skipping the next two debates will hurt his public image a lot. Everyone knows that he lost in the first debate, and claiming bias as the reason to pull out will fool nobody.

 

[Marvolo]

So what happens if Trump doesn't show up for the debate? Is the debate canceled, or does Hillary get 90 minutes of free air time?

She should get the free airtime. The moderator can ask her questions and giver her twice as much time to respond or take the time that would have went to Trump and use that to ask her more questions. She could even needle Donald, and he wont be there to respond. He'll just have to take it helplessly and at most say something stupid on twitter.

 

[Marvolo]

Trump knows that as soon as he is forced to present facts in a moderated setting, against a seasoned debater like Hillary, he is screwed, but I also think skipping the next two debates will hurt his public image a lot. Everyone knows that he lost in the first debate, and claiming bias as the reason to pull out will fool nobody.

Itd make him look even more like a whiny little *****. Buy I doubt Trumpeteers would see it that way. They would say he is rising above it and refusing to take part in such a "corrupt" event. Ya know, typical Trumpeteer BS.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why would he skip the Fox debate? The moderator already said he'd let them lie.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Honestly, this debate was kind of lacking in memes. I still remember Mitt Romney and his binders full of women.

 

[Marvolo]

Why would he skip the Fox debate? The moderator already said he'd let them lie.

Frankly I find it absurd that news networks are allowed to hold and moderate the debates. Let alone one like Fox. There should be an independent committee that oversees and moderates the debates. The debates are already arranged by a group. Why not go one step further and have the group supply the moderator. Have a committee that's only job is keeping up with current events, global politics, social climate, and facts and have them moderating political debates. Moderators that dont give a **** about ratings, profits, or keeping a job. Moderators that will call out anyone and everyone that is participating in the debate. Air it on PBS. Keep advertisers out. Etc.

But perhaps Im asking for too much from our political machine.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Frankly I find it absurd that news networks are allowed to be in charge of debates. Let alone one like Fox. There should be an independent committee that oversees and moderates the debates. The debates are already set up by a group. Why not go one step further and have the group supply the moderator. Have a committee that's only job is keeping up with current events, global politics, social climate, and facts and have them moderating political debates. Moderators that dont give a **** about ratings, profits, or keeping a job. Moderators that will call out anyone and everypne thats participating in the debate. Ar it on PBS. Keep advertisers out. Etc.

But perhaps Im asking for too much from our political machine.

Yeah, that stopped being a possibility when news and elections became big business.