The Debates Thread

[SV Fan]

But denying things that have been said is different to fact checking vague statistics for eg as the voters themselves can clearly see or can clearly be shown that things have been lied about. If Trump says 20% of immigrants commit a crime within their first 5 years his diehards will take it as gospel or at the very least ignore anything that suggests different but seeing a video of Trump saying something in an interview and 2 seconds later seeing a clip of Pence denying it was ever said will get through that denial and register even if they pretend otherwise.

I think the problem is many times issues aren't as black or white as the example you gave, so unless the fact checkers line up with one's ideology they will ignore it and feel like they have an agenda.

Many so called lies are what most fact checkers would call half truths. And example of this is saying that Chicago has the most murders is a half truth. While it's true Chicago has the most murders in terms of sheer numbers, when you factor Chicago has 2.7M people and we generally comparing them to cities with like 1/4 and 1/5 of that population it's sort of saying something is true but not putting it in proper context. I am guessing many who want to view Chicago as the worst city possible feel this is the fact checkers having an agenda.

 

[Iceman]

I think the problem is many times issues aren't as black or white as the example you gave, so unless the fact checkers line up with one's ideology they will ignore it and feel like they have an agenda.

Many so called lies are what most fact checkers would call half truths. And example of this is saying that Chicago has the most murders is a half truth. While it's true Chicago has the most murders in terms of sheer numbers, when you factor Chicago has 2.7M people and we generally comparing them to cities with like 1/4 and 1/5 of that population it's sort of saying something is true but not putting it in proper context. I am guessing many who want to view Chicago as the worst city possible feel this is the fact checkers having an agenda.

But that's exactly the reason for what I said. Usually it's not black and white enough to get through their shield but a simple video of Trump saying things like "your ass looks big" and a clip straight after of Pence saying "Trump never said your ass looks big" is black and white.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do love Colbert's take on this.

"It was like watching a loaf of white bread get pistol whipped by a jar of mayonnaise."

 

[TheCommissioner]

yup

that about sums it up

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Haha Hillary already has a new ad out showing Trump saying the thing juxtaposed with Pence saying he never said that. We all knew damn well that was coming but that was quick.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Wow, so if you watch that attack ad it's abundantly clear what they were having Kaine do and Pence fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Pence couldn't have played I to their hands harder if he tried.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Clintons social media team has their shizz together

 

[Marvolo]

I do love Colbert's take on this.

"It was like watching a loaf of white bread get pistol whipped by a jar of mayonnaise."

If Pence is the mayo its soured mayo infested with ecoli. If he is the bread then its bread covered in black mold.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Can someone link me the ad?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Can someone link me the ad?

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[samsnee]

Haha Hillary already has a new ad out showing Trump saying the thing juxtaposed with Pence saying he never said that. We all knew damn well that was coming but that was quick.

Next time someone like Trump Pence deny saying something, just respond "I'm willing to cede my two minutes so we can look on YouTube of you actually saying those things."

 

[2kt09]

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[samsnee]

What are the Vegas odds that Trump doesn't show up Sunday?

 

[2kt09]

The odds are even greater for a retaliation that won't be pretty one bit unless of course the moderator successfully suppresses it.

 

[samsnee]

I remember in one of the Republican debates where the moderator was asking Newt about how he wanted to have an open marriage and Newt chided the moderator. Everyone cheered. I can see Trump trying that except of course this isn't in front of a partisan audience and his comments were basically saying sexual assault is ok.

 

[2kt09]

I remember in one of the Republican debates where the moderator was asking Newt about how he wanted to have an open marriage and Newt chided the moderator. Everyone cheered. I can see Trump trying that except of course this isn't in front of a partisan audience and his comments were basically saying sexual assault is ok.

I don't think you understood what I meant as Trump explicitly made reference to not wanting to make the attack with Hillary in the last debate and told several sources he'd stay out of it.

I"m assuming Hillary's camp is currently prepping for that possibility.

 

[samsnee]

Sorry I wasn't really responding to your post. Just free thinking.

 

[Sithborg]

Well, this one has quickly turned into must see tv.

 

[samsnee]

Who's ready?

 

[Thundercrack85]

So, what do you guys make of Juanita Broaddrick's rape accusation?

 

[Legendver2]

 

[samsnee]

Ha! They didn't shake hands.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wouldn't touch him either.

 

[Legendver2]

Wow right off the bat a question about the PG-ness of the campaigns lol

 

[Legendver2]

Ha! They didn't shake hands.

You don't know what he's grabbed with those small hands.