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The only reason the original comic team of Defenders was brought together was because their solo titles were not doing great, Marvel wanted another Avengers type team and Marvel's strict commitment to continuity continuation.

The Netflix Defenders are a well connected bunch of street heroes that defend the streets of New York.
 
So who was it a while back that was arguing that dr. Strange and hulk would be a part of this? Lol.

Way, way too many people, for way way too long.

Im so stoked for this version of the team. I wonder if DD will lead them.

Tough to say. I mean, realistically, he's not suited to be a leader at all, but I'm not sure any of the others will be much better ( Jessica Jones certainly isn't ). Could end up being Luke Cage. . . but OTOH, Daredevil is the biggest name and most popular. That could end up trumping sense.
 
Way, way too many people, for way way too long.



Tough to say. I mean, realistically, he's not suited to be a leader at all, but I'm not sure any of the others will be much better ( Jessica Jones certainly isn't ). Could end up being Luke Cage. . . but OTOH, Daredevil is the biggest name and most popular. That could end up trumping sense.

Well Luke Cage has comic precedence of leading a team with him and the Avengers, and he seems like the guy with the least amount of baggage/personality hinderances to get in the way of being a leader. Daredevil's never been that type of character (though he did somewhat learn the importance of working with others in DD S2), Jessica isn't stable enough and Danny will still be adjusting to being back in America. Plus, Luke's show seems to be setting him up as a community hero, which give more credence to him being a leader.

There's still a possibility of Daredevil leading the team, but I doubt popularity has anything in the decision process (look at the Avengers with Iron Man being the most popular character amongst the general public but Captain America is the leader).

I'm thinking we'll get more of "non-team" kind of structure, where they just work as a collective without any real leadership (but certainly some people taking charge).
 
I think they will be more of a collective without a defined leader. I think each of them will chip in with ideas.
 
Ofc, if DD's not coming back till 2018. Then Foggy has to come in Defenders.
 
I wonder what other supporting characters will appear. It's only 8 episodes (I think, has that been confirmed?) so that limits things a bit, but Claire and Misty should be a given. Probably Jeri too. Colleen, Trish?
 
We dont need to see anyone but our 4 heroes. But im certainly not opposed to punisher showing up. Not as a star but as a possible reinforcement.
 
I love JB in the role but I don't need to see Punisher either. However, I do think he will show up, at some point. Loeb even teased the idea recently, I believe.

I am really excited about seeing a more powerful, completely villainous Elektra. Matt not only having to face the fact that she's alive but that she's now an "enemy" is what I'm most looking forward to.

Pretty good chance we'll see Misty and Colleen as well. I'd certainly love to see them included.
 
Seems likely that DD and LC will have some disagreements as to who should be leader. Causing a rift that ends with Cage starting the H4H and DD returning to his solo career.

Here's hoping we do end up getting a Defenders S2 though. And for that, I'd like to see the return of Purple Man.
 
I actually hope we don't get a Defenders S2 anytime soon. Don't get me wrong I want a Defenders season 2 just not for a while. Let the shows tell their own stories for a while.
 
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08...different-marvel-heroes-creates-its-own-genre

Drew Goddard will be actively involved in the Defenders and his executive producer role isn't just honorary:

“I was there this morning,” Goddard said, referring to the Defenders writers room. “I’ll be there tomorrow. It’s been fun. [The Defenders showrunners] Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez are both good friends of mine. I enjoy it. Much like this [The Good Place], I like the show. I like the people.” Goddard, whose credits also include Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Alias, Lost, and Cloverfield, said with a laugh, “My career is a story of going to hang out with my friends and make cool stuff.”

On getting the band together:
When it came to getting to work on a big team-up project with all the Marvel heroes in The Defenders, Goddard said, “We still have those moments where Doug or Jeph [Loeb] or somebody will just say, ‘I can’t believe we’re talking about Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Daredevil and Jessica in the same show.’ That seems like a pipe dream, ten years ago, the idea that we can have shows cross like that. That many shows, crossed, I don’t remember that happening in a way that you can fit it into a plan. It’s been really fun. I don’t know that it would have worked without Netflix’s support of that vision. It’s really fun to see it all come together.”

While they all center on street level heroes, each of the Marvel/Netflix shows have worked to establish their own tone and I asked Goddard if the goal was to do the same with The Defenders, even as it honored what had been established for each individual character.

Replied Goddard, “Yeah. I’m a comic guy, so I always like the idea that you have everyone’s individual run. You have the Daredevil comic; the Alias comic, the Jessica Jones comic… But then you have a summer arc, a team up, and that’s it’s own thing also. What’s been really fun is to see each show take on its own personality. Luke and Iron Fist haven’t launched yet but they’re very different. They’re not the same as Daredevil. They’re not the same as Jessica Jones. What’s really fun about it is taking all four different genres and putting them together sort of inherently creates its own genre."

I'm excited by the news. His writing on the first two episodes from Daredevil Season 1 were pretty strong and he'll be here to keep Doug Petrie and Marco Ramirez (DD S2 showrunners) in check.
 
It's great that Goddard is back, but it was kinda expected. He was an executive producer on season 2 of Daredevil as well. And I overall loved what Petrie and Ramirez did with season 2, even if there were some mistakes along the way.
 
It's great that Goddard is back, but it was kinda expected. He was an executive producer on season 2 of Daredevil as well. And I overall loved what Petrie and Ramirez did with season 2, even if there were some mistakes along the way.

Well I think that was more out of the fact that I believe he was set to be the original showrunner, plus he wrote the pilot and the second episode. So he helped create the whole tone and format for the series. I think it might've been more due to existing contractual obligations that he got that credit.

As I recall, there was a lot of tension with Marvel and Goddard at the time since he decided to move to Sinister Six instead. We all saw how that turned out.

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Here's the report. He was set up as showrunner at first, but then left the series.

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/drew-goddard-leaves-daredevil-1201191352/

Didn't seem like things went well for a while, but here is another report about what happened:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04...ked-off-daredevil-for-sinister-six-sony-leak/

Amy Pascal's e-mail insinuated that Ike Perlmutter wanted Goddard's name taken off the show. He might not have been serious, and it could've just been a negotiation tactic.

But basically it seemed to happen like this. Goddard was gearing up for Daredevil, and then this prime offer to write and direct a big movie for Sony falls in his lap. So he basically quits Daredevil before production starts to focus on Sinister Six.

Marvel's Ike Perlmutter seemed furious. So now Sony, Marvel and Goddard have to sort of negotiate his exit for the show despite him having already done considerable work on it.

Even though he left as showrunner, he probably still got executive producer credit since he did some work and got the ball rolling on the show, wrote the first two episodes. He probably still got to work as a consultant due to contractual obligations. But I didn't get the sense he did much for the show at all.
 
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Oh yeah, I know, I still sometime wonder how the show would've been had Goddard stayed on as a showrunner, but considering he left to work on Sinister Six, it was probably for the best. I want a showrunner who's first priority is Daredevil. At least with Steven S. DeKnight, it seemed like he didn't have much of a choice to leave.

It's just that I've seen some people suggest that Goddard wasn't involved at all with season 2 of Daredevil, and that isn't true. http://collider.com/daredevil-season-2-drew-goddard-says-hes-involved-talks-marvel-movies/ From the sounds of it, it seems that Goddard was as involved with season 2 as much as he's gonna be involved with The Defenders. Give or take. In that interview he also says that the bad blood between him and Marvel was way overblown. He's also good friends with Ramirez and Petrie.
 
Not sure if you guys have seen this but it's an interview with Loeb and Ramirez on The Defenders. http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/08/09/marvels-the-defenders-the-many-challenges-facing-the-showrunners

Loeb's answer on whether or not Punisher will be included has me convinced that the original Misty/Iron Fist news was indeed true, (no I'm not letting that go :funny:) it just wasn't supposed to be revealed yet. It's obvious to me, too, that Punisher will definitely show up on The Defenders. I don't agree with the logic behind not wanting to confirm that but I get it.
 
I think it's definitely possible there was an issue of Loeb speaking and revealing something he shouldn't have too early, but we'll see.

It's just that I've seen some people suggest that Goddard wasn't involved at all with season 2 of Daredevil, and that isn't true. http://collider.com/daredevil-season...marvel-movies/ From the sounds of it, it seems that Goddard was as involved with season 2 as much as he's gonna be involved with The Defenders. Give or take. In that interview he also says that the bad blood between him and Marvel was way overblown. He's also good friends with Ramirez and Petrie.

You see, I read all that, and I want to believe it. But it just seems like Hollywood double-speak. It seems like he's just being overly nice and trying to paint a nice picture over a bad situation.

For example, the way David Ayer has handled the Suicide Squad situation publicly. He hasn't broken rank like Josh Trank did with Fantastic Four.

Now can I believe that things changed and eventually things were worked out and are more cordial now yeah? But I also get this sense that Goddard's association with the project is out of legal necessity. Now maybe things got worked out and it's not as bad as it seemed. That I can buy, but it's also hard for me to buy there was no animosity at all. This is considering that the reports indicated Marvel, or rather Ike Perlmutter, wanted Goddard removed entirely and have his credits removed from Daredevil.
 
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