But I suggested that if Shuma-Gorath appeared, he would take human form, because that would easier on a budget. I'm just saying the giant eye ball with tentacles likely wouldn't work on a TV budget.
Take human form, work through human or humanoid agents on Earth, act as an invisible force that is only ever occasionally glimpsed at, there are a number of ways you can do a character like Shuma-Gorath on a TV budget.
I'm not familiar with every TV show mentioned, its more helpful if you gave specific examples of those creatures that I could look up, instead of just mentioning the TV shows.
Buffy:
The Old Ones
Glory
The First Evil
Angel:
The Senior Partners
Jasmine
Babylon 5:
The Vorlons
The Shadows
The Elder Races
Supernatural:
Lucifer
The Leviathans
Death
All cosmic beings done on a TV budget. They had said beings take human form, act as an invisible force, work through mortal agents, only be seen by the audience very occasionally and otherwise be a behind the scenes force, and other such things to work around the issue of a giant space monster being expensive to portray. And in all of them, said cosmic beings were battled by significantly less powerful heroes. They found ways to write around the power gap by making the conflict not boil down to one-on one fighting, but instead having a series of things that needed to be accomplished to beat the bad guy or having the heroes use some manner of trickery to win the day.
Juggernaut is a two bit thug who happens to get powers from magic, he is not really a cosmic character any more then the Wrecking Crew or Absorbing Man is.
He can also bench press tanks and survive a direct strike from a tomahawk missile. I don't see how that counts as "street level."
That's not really the majority of their stories though, is it.
No, but I'm not suggesting it be a majority of their stories, just their story for the Defenders mini.
Spider-Man was a solo hero for a long time, because he worked best in a street level setting and the Hand's magic is really not as epic Shuma-Gorath. The Black Heart story had more to do Matt's spirituality then anything else, it works because Matt is religious and Black Heart is the son of the Devil, sotries where the devil tries to corrupt and tempt good man go way back and puts Matt into a position where he can win, because while he never could defeat Black Heart or Mepshistio is a physical contest, he could reject their attempts to corrupt him. Shuma-Gorath and Dormammu are more cosmic conquerors then corruptors, they would just kill Matt, not try to corrupt him.
And I'm not suggesting that Daredevil literally try to kick box an elder god in the face. If The Defenders were to involve Strange bringing the team together to face some kind of paranormal threat, the story does not and should not have to come down to Daredevil and the gang physically fighting the bad guy.
Really Spider-Man hardly seems to go on cosmic adventures and he often seems somewhat out of place in that setting.
I disagree.
So should Galactus be a regular Spider-Man or DD villain?
ld razz:
No. I never suggested regular.
Seriously though, if this group has more common with DD's street level group from the early 2000s, who are just using the Defenders name, so if that's true, why are they under any obligation to use Strange?
Because it would be cool.
Except they have only be using the Defenders name, not be using the same team from the comics and really the Iron Man movies took Mandarin's name and grafted it on to a different character. Mandarin has nothing to do with AIM in the comics, so why would Dr. strange have to be this version of the Defenders, if they are talking the name and doing something different with it, which is what they did with Mandarin.
I disagree with your premise. Iron Man 3 changed some of the details about the character, but at least to my satisfaction they stayed true to what The Mandarin was all about as a character. To me, The Defenders is all about being a team of random second tier heroes brought together by Dr. Strange to face some weird pulpy supernatural threat. I don't see a Strange-less Defenders that's just the Marvel Knights with the Defenders name being comparable to how they changed The Mandarin.
But, to answer your question: They don't
need to include Dr. Strange. I never said they needed to. I simply
want them to. Because it would be cool.
But the fact is there could be very minimal magic Iron Fist show, it could be mainly martial arts with the occasional bit of magic, I would assume it would be like that, because that would be easier to shoot.
There are televisions that have obvious and overt magic in them every single episode. It is well within the skill and budget of a television program to tell overtly and consistently magical stories. Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Angel, Supernatural, The X-Files, Being Human, Once Upon a Time, Lost Girl, and many more all have overt supernatural elements
every single episode. I get the feeling that you
drastically under-estimate the capabilities of a TV show budget.
And he may not get his powers exactly that way in the show, an adaption doesn't have to be 100% faithful to the source material.
Really in the 60s Spider-Man got his powers from a radioactive spider and Tony Stark was injured in Vietnam, origins are often changed or updated in an adaption.
All they did was change "radioactive" to "genetically altered" and "Vietnam" to "Afghanistan." In both of those cases, all of the relevant details were exactly the same, they simply changed the parts that were out-dated.
The dragon thing, however, is not out-dated. Dragons are timeless.
In Iron Fist's case, they have no reason to cut the dragon out of his origin story and they have no reason to make the show, as you said, "mainly martial arts with the occasional bit of magic." The only reason to do that would be to homogenize the show with the notion of these shows being about "street level" characters, which I think would be a bad move.
They won't, though, because an Asgardian has no relevance to the actual premise of the show.
We don't know what the actual premise of the show is yet, though. People are
assuming that it's going to be about the four leads fighting gangsters or something, but they might take it in a different direction from that. I'm not saying they will for sure, but I am very much hoping they will. Having, like, The Kingpin be the main villain of the Defenders mini when he's already going to be the big bad of Daredevil's show feels underwhelming to me. I feel like the Defenders mini should be about those four characters coming together to deal with something they would never handle by themselves. That's why I'm
hoping that the mini will feature Dr. Strange, and he'll bring the four together to aid him in combatting some supernatural threat. I'm not saying that it will happen, I'm not saying that there is currently any evidence that indicates it will, I'm just saying that it's what I would like to see and that I don't think we're safe assuming that we know what the mini will be like regardless.
