Age of Ultron The Design & Origin of ULTRON

[HUMANIMAL]

im not sure why (maybe the red lines on his forehead)

but this design says:

ant man...

i can hear it somehow...

Spoiler

 

[JC00]

I really wonder why Whedon didn't put Ant Man in this and as a creator of Ultron?

Because Hank Pym is a relative unknown in regards to your normal movie-goer and who knows if Edgar Wright would have reacted if Hank Pym was introduced in Avengers 2 and not his Ant-Man.

Plus it kind of plays better if Tony Stark creates him. They already planted somewhat of a seed of the the Ultron concept in IM3 with Tony having pilot-less suits. This would be the next logical step Tony would take in the evolution of the suit.

 

[Iceman]

Whoever creates Ultron should have already been introduced for the storyline to have maximum impact. If it was going to be Ant Man they should have had him in the MCU by now or delayed the Ultron storyline till he was part of the team ahead of the film in which he creates Ultron.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

he could be just mentioned...like dr banner was mentioned in thor...

 

[Tony Stark]

In Avengers AoU Tony was partly responsible for creating Ultron and he was the one that weaponized him. In Young Avengers Tony Stark is the sole creator of Ultron.

It's really not new that Tony is Ultron's creator.

 

[JC00]

he could be just mentioned...like dr banner was mentioned in thor...

A tad bit different circumstances.

Banner's name was mentioned once and it had nothing to do with the plot and he was already introduced in the MCU.

Having Hank Pym create Ultron makes him the cause of the plot.

 

[JC00]

Hoping they don't go too far with the Oedipus Complex he has. Fine with him hating Tony. But don't really need to have time spent on Ultron taking an interest in Pepper.

 

[Dark Raven]

Hoping they don't go too far with the Oedipus Complex he has. Fine with him hating Tony. But don't really need to have time spent on Ultron taking an interest in Pepper.

If he does, that means Pepper could be getting naked like Jan was when Ultron was creating Jocasta.

 

[cherokeesam]

Whoever creates Ultron should have already been introduced for the storyline to have maximum impact. If it was going to be Ant Man they should have had him in the MCU by now or delayed the Ultron storyline till he was part of the team ahead of the film in which he creates Ultron.

Yeah, Hank Pym wasn't already introduced (even though technically, he's been kicking around in the MCU since the 1960s), so there's no way he'd be the primary behind Ultron in the MCU. Still doesn't rule out *some* kind of nod to Pym's tech --- maybe Tony borrows some facet or theorem from Pym's research (Papa Howard is bound to have been an associate of Pym in the MCU of the past, right?) for the final design.

But you know who else *has* been introduced and who would have been a much better choice for the design of Ultron? Arnim Zola, as I've said from the beginning.

As it stands now, Tony Stark's character is absolutely ****ed after this movie. Stark is going to be almost single-handedly responsible for the weapon that almost brings about the end of humanity, and he's going to do it with blinders on and come off, in hindsight, looking like the dumbest and/or most evil S.O.B. on the planet. Joss has painted Stark into a corner that he cannot, and will not, get out of --- you don't get forgiveness, or atonement, or "oops, sorry" for committing global genocide. Tony Stark and Iron Man will necessarily be gone from the MCU by movie's end.....yes, the dreaded Joss Whedon character assassination has almost certainly fallen squarely on RDJ's shoulders.

All three Iron Man movies should have taught Tony Stark from the get-go that everything he's about to undertake is a very, very bad idea --- fighting wars with drones, relying exclusively on easily hackable tech for global defense, using imperfect AI to control things that shouldn't be under control of imperfect AI. Tony has literally taken three steps forward and one giant leap back without thinking this whole "Ultron Initiative" through. And it's going to literally destroy his character.

 

[Rock Sexton]

As it stands now, Tony Stark's character is absolutely ****ed after this movie. Stark is going to be almost single-handedly responsible for the weapon that almost brings about the end of humanity, and he's going to do it with blinders on and come off, in hindsight, looking like the dumbest and/or most evil S.O.B. on the planet. Joss has painted Stark into a corner that he cannot, and will not, get out of --- you don't get forgiveness, or atonement, or "oops, sorry" for committing global genocide. Tony Stark and Iron Man will necessarily be gone from the MCU by movie's end.....yes, the dreaded Joss Whedon character assassination has almost certainly fallen squarely on RDJ's shoulders.

But that's what Whedon wants ..... he's said many times that this movie is going to be very personal. The first film is the feel good story and this one gets dirty and sends the heroes off in uncomfortable fashion.

 

[DJThrawn]

So basically this is Iron Man 4: The Age of Ultron and the Avengers too........


I am starting to feel a little Iron Man fatigue and from what I have seen on the boards others feel it too. I also do not like how Ultron and his drones look so busy in their designs. They remind me of Bays' Transformers and nothing should ever remind me of that horrible experience again. I am however excited about Scarlet Witch and her addition and look forward to Banner's, and Hawkeye's characterizations.

 

[The Endless]

They look nothing like Bay's Transformers. They look like Ultron from the comics.

 

[Quasimod0]

I could see how the bodies look a little transformer-ish. And that's not a complaint from me. The head though, is 100% comic.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

So basically this is Iron Man 4: The Age of Ultron and the Avengers too........


I am starting to feel a little Iron Man fatigue and from what I have seen on the boards others feel it too. I also do not like how Ultron and his drones look so busy in their designs. They remind me of Bays' Transformers and nothing should ever remind me of that horrible experience again. I am however excited about Scarlet Witch and her addition and look forward to Banner's, and Hawkeye's characterizations.

I don't know what people expect, I have been Iron Man fatigued since A1, but of course they are gonna make them slightly more focused on him, he is by far the MCUs biggest star as seen by IM3s Box Office, and RDJ is by far the biggest star earning ridiculous sums of money. You are not gonna pay someone way way more money than the others but then have him in a lesser role.
It is the same story with Wolverine and the X-men and it will be the same story with Batman and the Justice League.

 

[Silvermoth]

It's funny, I thought they would give Ultron more of a face.

Still, he looks just like he does in the comics

 

[Sharkboy]

Stark creating Ultron makes sense especially when you take his character arc from IM3 to mind.

 

[TheVision]

This happens with every new big movie. They release the pics/info and the majority of people go nuts and love it, then theres the drifters who come in and start saying they dont like this or that (I dont like the origin, Im sick of Iron Man). Then theres the people who are in denial about the storyline (ULTRON was made by Hank Pym NOT TONY STARK! Cant change it!). Then theres the Simple Jacks who have no idea whats going on or what theyre talking about.(Whos ULTRON? What is AI? I love Superman!)

 

[psylockolussus]

Ultron looks good!

 

[TheVision]

Transformers comment: its one thing for a robot to look robotic, its another thing to have a screenplay written by a bunch of idiots and a director whos an even bigger idiot.

 

[Verbal21]

Can't see much of the body but that head looks good enough for me. Curious as to how he'll differ in each of his forms.

 

[DrCosmic]

As it stands now, Tony Stark's character is absolutely ****ed after this movie. Stark is going to be almost single-handedly responsible for the weapon that almost brings about the end of humanity, and he's going to do it with blinders on and come off, in hindsight, looking like the dumbest and/or most evil S.O.B. on the planet. Joss has painted Stark into a corner that he cannot, and will not, get out of --- you don't get forgiveness, or atonement, or "oops, sorry" for committing global genocide. Tony Stark and Iron Man will necessarily be gone from the MCU by movie's end.....yes, the dreaded Joss Whedon character assassination has almost certainly fallen squarely on RDJ's shoulders.

All three Iron Man movies should have taught Tony Stark from the get-go that everything he's about to undertake is a very, very bad idea --- fighting wars with drones, relying exclusively on easily hackable tech for global defense, using imperfect AI to control things that shouldn't be under control of imperfect AI. Tony has literally taken three steps forward and one giant leap back without thinking this whole "Ultron Initiative" through. And it's going to literally destroy his character.

He did learn those things, which is why Ultron is going to be perfect doesn't-make-mistakes unhackable AI. Ultron wouldn't much of a threat if Tony hadn't learned from those mistakes. However, there's no room in the Iron Man trilogy for Tony to learn that things can't be fixed by tinkering.

And when it comes to redemption and Joss Whedon character assassination, you needn't look far to find an Alpha (Dollhouse) Angel/Spike (Buffy), or Jayne (Firefly) to see how characters who are much worse than hindsight villains get redeemed, or maybe just look to the original story where Pym is redeemed and has more respect in the end than he did before Ultron. Or stick with the whole "You can't ever be redeemed for something you almost helped do and ended up helping to stop." You can certainly feel how you like.

 

[Hellion]

Digging the design.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, Tony creates a seemingly benevolent AI to HELP, and it goes evil due to circumstances beyond his control and does bad things. Yeah, totally irredeemable bastard there, burn in Hell Tony.

 

[TeeKay]

^^What?

 

[jaqua99]

Because Hank Pym is a relative unknown in regards to your normal movie-goer and who knows if Edgar Wright would have reacted if Hank Pym was introduced in Avengers 2 and not his Ant-Man.

Plus it kind of plays better if Tony Stark creates him. They already planted somewhat of a seed of the the Ultron concept in IM3 with Tony having pilot-less suits. This would be the next logical step Tony would take in the evolution of the suit.

Ant-Man has gotten moved closer to Age of Ultron.

Scarlet Witch looks into the past, and parallel worlds. There was set pictures that seemed like they took place in the 40s. There's an agent carter show coming out.

Stark can still be the responsible father of Ultron, but him making the AI from scratch seems like lazy ass story telling and I'm still willing to bet there's more to it.

I am willing to bet maybe Ant-man goes on Simultaneously, or in ant-man we see a lot of where the technology came from, and perhaps starks father helped start the early work for Ultron. Stark finds the work of his father, and his colleague, tweaks it, and pushes it forward.

A way to make..*everyone* happy. He'll have a role in the grand scheme of things I bet.