The Disney owns Fox thread

[honestbharani]

Again, profitability has no effect on the ability to grow. He wanted to be Disney sized, but couldn't.

How can he grow Disney sized without similar levels of profitability?

 

[Iceman]

Amazing how that essential part of the origin story is basically forgotten in all these "Disney is the evil empire" posts, isn't it? Its funny how the ones who claim the regular joe poster here is failing to see the reality, the bigger picture and the impact on "important" things in the world, are seemingly forgetting the one simple important fact in all of this. There would have been no more FOX Studios irrespective of Disney buying them or not. So jobs would have been lost, movie and TV properties would have been consolidated and there would have been 1 lesser studio. Funny how people only come out crying when its Disney who are simply reaping the rewards for having put out quality products and maintained a good organizational culture and structure. The nerve of Disney actually being good at what they do!!!!!

Also where is the credit for all the job creation that kicking off Star Wars again (which has been dormant all this time) has created, and that the MCU will create going forward. There will be many more behind the scenes career staffers who can reliably depend on the MCU project for their future. Not possible with many (any?) other franchises.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

So cheer it on, then blindly ignore that independent films and content have been on a decline for years and this will only further that. The moment something independent does come about, Disney or Comcast will just buy it up and it's gone.

What the... no it doesn't mean any of that. That's not how the business works. What is with your dystopian views?

Disney is not Pac-Man. Stop. LOL

 

[honestbharani]

Also where is the credit for all the job creation that kicking off Star Wars again (which has been dormant all this time) has created, and that the MCU will create going forward. There will be many more behind the scenes career staffers who can reliably depend on the MCU project for their future. Not possible with many (any?) other franchises.

People just find ways to hate on things that they did not like in the first place and said thing goes on to be more and more successful. Like Snyder about Marvel characters, for instance.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Also where is the credit for all the job creation that kicking off Star Wars again (which has been dormant all this time) has created, and that the MCU will create going forward. There will be many more behind the scenes career staffers who can reliably depend on the MCU project for their future. Not possible with many (any?) other franchises.

Good point. It's true some will lose their employment with FOX but there will be many new job opportunities with this merger. Plus, I would imagine some people will even be "grandfathered in" with lateral moves in some cases. It's a merger after all, not a closing of business.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Mostly with your correlation of quality and revenue. Blade Runner 2049 is arguably one of the best films of the year, and made almost no money and lost the company 80 million. The problem with Disney's quality control is that it's only catering to a certain kind of audience. I appreciate what they do, but that wont work with auteur filmmakers, small risky director driven pictures or with subversive cinema to begin with. I'm just afraid with how Disney will deal with the non-blockbuster repertoire, which is the best cinema Fox has to offer.

I see your point. Time will tell the tale.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Mostly with your correlation of quality and revenue. Blade Runner 2049 is arguably one of the best films of the year, and made almost no money and lost the company 80 million. The problem with Disney's quality control is that it's only catering to a certain kind of audience. I appreciate what they do, but that wont work with auteur filmmakers, small risky director driven pictures or with subversive cinema to begin with. I'm just afraid with how Disney will deal with the non-blockbuster repertoire, which is the best cinema Fox has to offer.

True, but there are other studios still also. Heck, Paramount is giving Tarantino the chance to maybe make an r-rated Star Trek film! That's insane, but still happening. Yeah, FOX is out, but they wanted out anyway.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My fear mostly has to do with how the Miramax deal went down. Disney more or less killed their whole operation, unhappy how the films didn't fit their image. This could easily happen again, but we'll see. If Disney really wants to diversify their content, this is a wonderful chance for that.

Not too happy about Tarantino Trek though haha. Love both individually, but can't imagine what this would be like.

I understand your worry, but at least right now, Iger says they will do riskier/adult oriented stuff through FOX. We'll see.

On the Tarantino Star Trek, I am really curious for that movie, LOL! Not so much excited for the Trek brand, but I just think that project if nothing else will be unique, lol

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Doctor Jones]

You do bring up a good point. I personally haven't watched or cared about anything Fox has put out for years, so the only thing on my radar is the unaltered trilogy. For people who are more into their movies, I can see why this isn't a good thing.

Not just the entertainment industry, but just how these conglomerates can get away with this and what it means for this country. Remember when anti-trust laws were a thing? Remember the FCC?

The whole, "Let's wait and see" is a cop out. We know exactly what we're getting in the grand scheme of things. Disney is not interested in stopping. A conglomerate already had the money to buy out another conglomerate. Conglomerates do not care about stopping. They only look for growth. Now they have even more money and you can bet your ass they will be buying more. Sony could be next in the next decade.

 

[Man in the Suit]

This is a horrible day for cinema.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But hey, at least we have Star Wars which is exactly what we need right now in these dark and trying times.

 

[Grootster]

...and now I can say I'm not behind this deal at all.

Edit: The only reason the release of the Star Wars unaltered editions might outweigh this situation in my mind is because I see the withholding of the unaltered additions as a moral/ethical issue. Star Wars is one of the most iconic and influential film series of all time (the 1977 film literally changed Hollywood), and to withhold the versions that were so influential is absurd and somewhat unethical. People deserve to see those films the way they were originally released. Yes there are old Laserdisks and fan-edits like the Despecialized edition for us purists, but I feel like the average person should be able to purchase the original cuts.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians... - George Lucas

 

[Spider-Fan]

But hey, at least we have Star Wars which is exactly what we need right now in these dark and trying times.

That's the spirit!

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't need a twee think piece on "At Least We Have Star Wars Tomorrow!" in the context of this news. Or "50 Reasons Why This Merger Is Good For Fanboys."

God help me.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't need a twee think piece on "At Least We Have Star Wars Tomorrow!" in the context of this news. Or "50 Reasons Why This Merger Is Good For Fanboys."

God help me.

Good. I wasn't going to develop a list anyways.

Now that FOX won't be effing up the CBMs anymore, such 50 Reasons threads won't be necessary anymore.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't need a twee think piece on "At Least We Have Star Wars Tomorrow!" in the context of this news. Or "50 Reasons Why This Merger Is Good For Fanboys."

God help me.

So I shouldn't give you these X-Men Mouse ears I bought you?

 

[FunkMiller]

This is a horrible day for cinema.

It’s certainly a horrible day if you’re a Fox employee. There will be many, many redundancies because of this. Not to mention the fact that a pathway for creative people has just closed forever.

I’m not entirely sure seeing The Hulk take on Wolverine is worth that.

But, it is what it is. Fox wanted out of the content creation business.

 

[FunkMiller]

Edit: The only reason the release of the Star Wars unaltered editions might outweigh this situation in my mind is because I see the withholding of the unaltered additions as a moral/ethical issue. Star Wars is one of the most iconic and influential film series of all time (the 1977 film literally changed Hollywood), and to withhold the versions that were so influential is absurd and somewhat unethical. People deserve to see those films the way they were originally released. Yes there are old Laserdisks and fan-edits like the Despecialized edition for us purists, but I feel like the average person should be able to purchase the original cuts.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians... - George Lucas

Eh. The guy invented all of it. Without him there is no Star Wars, so if he doesn’t want the original versions released, it’s up to him.

 

[StormC]

...and now I can say I'm not behind this deal at all.

Edit: The only reason the release of the Star Wars unaltered editions might outweigh this situation in my mind is because I see the withholding of the unaltered additions as a moral/ethical issue. Star Wars is one of the most iconic and influential film series of all time (the 1977 film literally changed Hollywood), and to withhold the versions that were so influential is absurd and somewhat unethical. People deserve to see those films the way they were originally released. Yes there are old Laserdisks and fan-edits like the Despecialized edition for us purists, but I feel like the average person should be able to purchase the original cuts.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians... - George Lucas

I'm confused. So are we getting the original version of the OT or not?

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm confused. So are we getting the original version of the OT or not?

No. Lucas doesn’t want them out there, and that was enshrined in his contract with Disney.

 

[I Am The Knight]

It’s certainly a horrible day if you’re a Fox employee. There will be many, many redundancies because of this. Not to mention the fact that a pathway for creative people has just closed forever.

I’m not entirely sure seeing The Hulk take on Wolverine is worth that.

But, it is what it is. Fox wanted out of the content creation business.

Well, I'm a glass half full kind of guy, so...

 

[Dark Raven]

So for all those who didn't want the Disney-Fox merger and having all the characters back under one roof: on the flip side, would you have been okay if the X-Men were split up across different studios instead? Say some like Wolverine, Beast, Nightcrawler and others at Universal, Cyclops, Iceman, Storm and Shadowcat at Disney and Jean Grey, Angel, and Magneto at WB?

Of course it's a hypothetical situation, but it's demonstrating the point that having characters all over the place instead of under one roof is frustrating.

Or what if the DC characters were split in different directions from WB?

 

[Herofan]

I don't hate consolidation but going down to just three or four major movie companies does seem quite a bit too small, too little competition and chance for there being different kinds. And specifically with superheroes films I don't think it's a good idea for them to be really producer-driven or, even though of course they're all be pretty commercial, to be commercial in the same ways.

 

[StormC]

Eh. The guy invented all of it. Without him there is no Star Wars, so if he doesn’t want the original versions released, it’s up to him.

Nah, **** that. **** George Lucas. It's his "right" but he's still a wanker.