The ending killed it for me...

[The Spawn]

There is no 'at this point' technically for Craig.

 

[Agentsands77]

Eh my mistake. I think the Bond scene should've been kept in. That would've given us some TENSION.

I thought the poison scene was remarkably tense, myself (and incredibly well-filmed). But to each his own.

And the game is all done in one night in the book. There aren't these day breaks.

Are you absolutely sure? I was almost certain it was longer than that.
But in the film, there was *one* day break. It's set over about 1 1/2 days.

Night: The game begins, Bond fights Obanno in the stairwell, continues the game. That night, he returns and comforts Vesper.

Next Day/Evening: Bond wakes up. That evening, he goes back to playing the game. He loses. He receives more money from Felix and subsequently goes back to playing. He gets poisoned. Goes back, wins. Has dinner with Vesper, and is then tortured.

It's not a very long span of time.

 

[The Spawn]

The game could have taken place in 24 hrs in the film.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I thought the poison scene was remarkably tense, myself (and incredibly well-filmed). But to each his own.


Are you absolutely sure? I was almost certain it was longer than that.
But in the film, there was *one* day break. It's set over about 1 1/2 days.

Night: The game begins, Bond fights Obanno in the stairwell, continues the game. That night, he returns and comforts Vesper.

Next Day/Evening: Bond wakes up. That evening, he goes back to playing the game. He loses. He receives more money from Felix and subsequently goes back to playing. He gets poisoned. Goes back, wins. Has dinner with Vesper, and is then tortured.

It's not a very long span of time.

I loved how every "hour break" had something happen between the poker game lol

"bond beating the crap out of those guys in the stairwell"

"bond getting poisoned"

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought the poison scene was remarkably tense, myself (and incredibly well-filmed). But to each his own.

No question. It's a well shot and nicely edited scene.

AgentSands77, look at this from a time perspective and a film perspective. As good as the scene is, it's really not ESSENTIAL to the movie. The movie really isn't hurt nor would it lose anything if it's gone.

Tons of movies have great scenes that are tense and incredibly well-filmed, but they still get cut. And why? Because 9 times out of 10 the movie usually doesn't need it.

Are you absolutely sure? I was almost certain it was longer than that. But in the film, there was *one* day break. It's set over about 1 1/2 days.

I have the book right in front of me. It's played over the course of one night early into the morning. It starts in the afternoon.

Night: The game begins, Bond fights Obanno in the stairwell, continues the game. That night, he returns and comforts Vesper.

Next Day/Evening: Bond wakes up. That evening, he goes back to playing the game. He loses. He receives more money from Felix and subsequently goes back to playing. He gets poisoned. Goes back, wins. Has dinner with Vesper, and is then tortured.

It's not a very long span of time.

Just saying, they didn't need the day break.

 

[Agentsands77]

AgentSands77, look at this from a time perspective and a film perspective. As good as the scene is, it's really not ESSENTIAL to the movie. The movie really isn't hurt nor would it lose anything if it's gone.

Plenty of the best stuff in Bond films has been non-essential material (hell, almost every action film has a non-essential scene somewhere). I'm not willing to condemn it on that note alone. IMO, it helps up the tension of the film and gives Bond's final win a great deal more impact.

I have the book right in front of me. It's played over the course of one night early into the morning. It starts in the afternoon.

I'll take your word for it.

Just saying, they didn't need the day break.

I guess. There's nothing wrong with it, IMO. It also allows for the Vesper shower scene, which wasn't in the novel (and one of the absolute best additions to Fleming's original story). I think that scene is absolutely crucial, and that alone justifies the day-break in the events of the card game.

 

[TheVileOne]

Plenty of the best stuff in Bond films has been non-essential material (hell, almost every action film has a non-essential scene somewhere). I'm not willing to condemn it on that note alone. IMO, it helps up the tension of the film and gives Bond's final win a great deal more impact.

I'd say this was far from being the best stuff.

I guess. There's nothing wrong with it, IMO. It also allows for the Vesper shower scene, which wasn't in the novel (and one of the absolute best additions to Fleming's original story). I think that scene is absolutely crucial, and that alone justifies the day-break in the events of the card game.

Simple solution, do it before the card game.

 

[Agentsands77]

I'd say this was far from being the best stuff.

I wouldn't. I thought it was one of the most brilliant scenes in the movie - from the Kubrickian camera techniques to Bond's downing of a salt shaker and vomiting and so on. I was absolutely riveted.

Simple solution, do it before the card game.

I guess, but then you don't have all the romantic build-up with her in the dress and him kissing her and such. I think the shower scene needed to be where it was, otherwise it was too close to their introduction.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can spend a couple days of them there preparing and setting things up. Give a REAL introduction to Felix Leiter. Perhaps an attempt on Bond's life maybe with the bomb, and the terrorists going after Le Chiffre.

To me having it before the card game works because it raises the stakes for Le Chiffre a lot quicker and establishes before the card game that if he doesn't win he's dead.

 

[The Caped Knight]

The end was awesome that's when he official became 007 And When he say that line and the theme song start to kick into high gear "The Name Is BOND....JAMES BOND".

James went from badass reckless over ego 'd assassin to The classic Well classed Super Secret agent 007 .

Bond, in the classic suit, with a badass gun in his right hand. That's just an oustanding ending to a awesome movie.

 

[MagicPrime]

About half-way through the film I leaned over to my girlfriend and said "Have you noticed - they havent had the Bond theme play at all durning this movie?" and she was like "Yeah... they havent..." and then right when he's about to go into the Venice house there is this little hint of the opening chords. But at the end when he delivers the line and the music blasted up - it was perfect.

 

[Tojo]

The cell phone for one was rather "lets hurry up and give him a clue".

I knew we all figured it out, too many camera shots that focused on his face...and the case carrying away scene was the dead give away.

When I saw him holding the gun up in the air in the trailers I assumed he was getting revenge and was about to massacre people.

Instead, he introduced himself.

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it seemed rushed in my opinion.

It was how it was supposed to be. Mr. White works for an organisation(equivalent of SMERSH), but contrary to what we think during the film he is not the Leader of said organsiation. He's a just a nother step on the ladder. Bond is going to interrogate him to get info. We will find out more stuff about this in Bond 22. It was a perfect way to end the film

 

[Two-Face]

I loved the ending: Mr White on the floor and 007 says "The name's Bond James Bond" then the classic theme starts.


It was perfect and Campbell should return for Bond 22!

 

[Golgo-13]

Campbell should direct all the Bond films from here on out, imo. His repetition for delivering the Bond goods everytime is now official.

The ending was perfect. It was like Peter Parker saying "This is my gift, this is my curse. Who am i? I'm Spiderman!"

 

[DACrowe]

On the film critique.

I am an ameteur at the art myself. With that said. I found the posioning scene could TECHNICALLY have been cut. It literally would not have disrupted the flow of the film, and some directors believe iif you don't missi t, cut it, but I sometimes disagree with that philosophy. It added more texture to teh film. I thought the pacing problems came from after the torture scene when they realized they passed the 2 hour mark and tried to wrap it up as quickly as possible (lots of jump cutting from here until the end of the movie). But the poker scenes were easily the most controlled in pacing. It made sense and was completely comfortable and well done. Bond getting poisioned surprised the audience and added a level of depth between him and Vesper with him saving her life. He increases the value of her character and gives some insight to her motives, especially at the end as it proves it wasn't all for money. And for an action movie it raised the suspense from just being on the table and in a Bond movie it is very importnat. And to be able to do it while not killing the story pace and being able to develop a character without a big explosion is also greatly appreciated too though.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. Don't expect Campbell to return anytime soon. They're already looking for another director that isn't Campbell for Bond 22.

He aldready did his traditionalist Bond movie in GoldenEye and was only lured back at the prospect of making a "Bond Begins" movie and get to play with his depth more than he did in GE (albeit he and Brosnan most likely would have liked to). But he doesn't seem to have much interest in continuing to make Bond movies.

But hey if you pay him enough he'll come back. Just rmember he did Legend of Zorro for the money and if anything, it slapped his original work in the face as an inferior sequel thusly.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I loved the ending: Mr White on the floor and 007 says "The name's Bond James Bond" then the classic theme starts.


It was perfect and Campbell should return for Bond 22!

WORD !!!!!!

 

[The Spawn]

No one understands, I'll stop trying to explain it.

 

[Tojo]

No one understands, I'll stop trying to explain it.

no-one understands what? You didn't think there was enough attention or detail on Mr.White....nothing much to understand.

I think anymore on the end scene would have ruined it for me. As for the rest of the film, i liked this mysterious character. No-one really knows who he his or what he wants, or who's side he's on. He's not dead, so we will get to see more about him in the next film. Besides, he's not the main guy, just another step on the ladder.

 

[Gold Samurai]

It was perfect and Campbell should return for Bond 22!

lets hope the next director can capture something similar to what Campbell did and and not another "tommorow never dies" in the waiting. Don't get me wrong TND was ok but it just left a bad taste with the PS2 type shooting

 

[The Spawn]

Calm down, I'm not insulting any of your intellects.

What people fail to comprehend is that this thread is not about th ending lacking the "bondness."

 

[The Spawn]

Took me 3 years to beat TND.

 

[batman7289]

la chieff was a good villain and a relief

 

[johnsonuk]

About half-way through the film I leaned over to my girlfriend and said "Have you noticed - they havent had the Bond theme play at all durning this movie?" and she was like "Yeah... they havent..." and then right when he's about to go into the Venice house there is this little hint of the opening chords. But at the end when he delivers the line and the music blasted up - it was perfect.

david arnold was talking about this.he said when he played the theme in parts it just made you feel bond would be ok.So what he done was give you litttle grabs at it,like he is clawing his way to it.And then at then end..give it to you.I thought it was exellent way of doing it.

 

[MKO1234]

I think the ending was good. If it ended like most the previous 20 films, then I wouldnt be surprised if people were then saying, "the ending was cliche." However, this sort of ending was different to the series. It starts to set up the story of Bond going after the "machine."