The Ending Won't Make Sense. No Matter How Hard They Try!

[Marvin]

As the Joker says, not sure if you're serious.

Who would complain about Lois? Besides Chlois fans. You know, the people who think Chloe is Lois?

Literally, there's no other people who would dare to complain about Lois.

I'm dead serious infact.

as for lois, I personally find her presence is often an excuse for the story lines to go on tangents. 'Oh wow, looks like it's going to be another episode lois and clark living out the american dream in another dream episode" and so on and so forth. She's not really a problem but as a love interest, it's tired.
I think of it this way, clark confronting Zod about his bad attitude or clark talking to lois about some trivial matter...

I meant it as a joke but now that I think about it, If she was in no more episodes as of right now, I'd enjoy the show alot more. She's there for the target CW audience(the way the write her anyway)

And Darkseid, did you see the last couple of minutes of the first episode this season?
Did you see the episode where his minions mentioned his name?

I was tempted to toss up the joker image myself.
You can't be serious, I honestly thought there were more instances than just the two you mentioned. Ok I get it, you mean to tell me that Darkseid is in fact present. Yay, obviously. The issue is that he really isn't. He may be the most non present big bad I've ever seen on TV. And I Watch Supernatural and Xena.

Its silly and I'll tell you why.
Darkseid + Final season = audience with mixed feelings giving the show a final chance. It was their selling point and a bunch of my pals were talking about it. 13 eps later and 2 or more instances of people talking about him and 5 seconds of a soundless cloud is almost as epic as rise of the silver surfer is it's shamelessness. But I understand, they gotta make room for all the Lois hijinks. It's all good.

I mean, I just don't understand.
Also, I laughed at the quote about supermodels in your signature.
Unless whoever you quoted thinks women can't be hot while being a reporter.

I believe my quote is from Kevin Smith, I heard it on a podcast at the TMT site. It was a while ago.

The quote was in reference to Donner's lois. She was casted with career woman in mind first and hot young actress second if at all. Unlike Mary Jane for example, the character of Lois Lane doesn't moonlight as a Supermodel.
Not that she has to be ugly...but then again Maybe Superman wouldn't have noticed her if she weren't a bombshell.

peace.

 

[Bhoward]

Internet has been down all day, finally back so I get to respond.

David B, I'll give you that you have read more comics than I have, because I just buy graphic novels every other year, so you probably know more about Darkseid than I do. That's awesome. My point, and I'll assume you haven't seen the show Flash Forward. But basically scientists created a device that when activated the entire world's population blacked out for 2 mins. During the blackout the people viewed 6months into the future. Why this is relevant to Smallville and Darkseid is this. While Darkseid may not be a God that can wipeout peoples minds with the wave of his hand, his character, who is much more technologically advanced than the scientists in the Smallville universe, (assumption), has been providing in Bruno Manheim and Intergang with weapons for as long as I can remember. Why couldn't he have a machine that when activated could blackout and wipe the minds of every human on the planet? This would be an apt retaliation on the Kryptonian who thwarted his plan of domination over the Earth. Since he can't have the hearts, minds, and souls of the population, take away Kal-El's connection with them.

 

[Catman]

Suspension of Disbelief

There are limits, of course.

 

[DavidB1111]

Catman, to mangle a line from the first Pirates of the Carribean movie, "You know nothing of Suspension of Disbelief."
There is no way Smallville can violate Suspension of Disbelief on this.
No one must tell people how the world doesn't know Clark Kent and Superman are the same person.

Even my neighbor who had Down Syndrome could grasp Suspension of Disbelief. His IQ is below 90.

It's quite telling when even someone suffering from Down Syndrome can comprehend and understand why Superman and Clark Kent are two different people, and why it cannot be explained.

I haven't seen him in 12 years, but I'm certain even when he was 8 years old he would understand.
Asking Smallville to explain the reason insults not only all the fans of the show, but means they must be functionally ******ed in order to have the concept of Suspension of Disbelief destroyed utterly.

Also, Bruce Wayne,

Smallville has taken alot from the Silver Age but it's used stuff from all eras of comic books which means everything is valid. In this case, more importantly than any comic book, is that Smallville is placed in today's age. Check the pilot and you can see for yourself.
Which means Secret Identity is valid. Maybe not all aspects of the story of course, but a huge chunk would be. You should check it out, I'm sure you'd love it and would understand why I'm recommending and saying it's pertinent to SV.

I don't think you understand my point. They can't address the fact Superman and Clark Kent are two different people.
Not even Secret Identity can do that.

Addressing that fact, in any age, in any time period insults the intelligence of people on orders of magnitudes.

Bhohard, Darkseid is not a *****ebag. He would not do that.
Also, why would you want Smallville to do that?
Tom Welling would have to go and fake his own death in order to escape the fan outrage for that.

The bottom line for this season, nothing done on the show can violate Suspension of disbelief.

Marvin, Darkseid is coming to full materialized form in a few more episodes away.
Be patient. It's not my fault Smallville had to do the stupid VRA storyline.

Although, it was totally Darkseid's fault that the VRA started. So, yeah, he has been influencing things.

she's there for the target CW audience(the way the write her anyway)

I don't understand this argument.
There's nothing wrong with Clark Kent and Lois being together.
I honestly don't understand your complaint.

They are destined to be together.
It is unstoppable fate.

What is the problem with them being together? I'm really not getting it. I'm serious here, you're the first person I have ever seen on the entire internet to not like her and Clark together.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

In my opinion there are plenty of ways to solve this problem and I think the writers behind SV will. The involvement in all the hazards in SV is for Clark Kent the journalist. If I were an editor and I saw that the kid I hired had such involvement - remember he did work for the Torch back then - I'd chalk it up to his good-natured skills as a reporter. Not unearthly superpowers. Note that I'm only referring to characters WITHIN the story, not about the audience. We all know Clark and Superman are the same guy. Anyway, as for being Lex's BFF, let's see how they handle it here. Lex could just go on record and say "yeah sure I know him, good guy, but we're all grown up now we live in different worlds." One of the beauties of the Clark Kent persona (at least in the films) is that he's not at the center of everyone's attention. He's behind the scenes. Think of it as one of those Alex Ross panels where this godly Superman takes the guise of a mild-mannered reporter and slowly dissolves into the crowd. And he can do that. As far as the public is concerned, Superman isn't hiding anything, his real name is 'Kal-El', he lives in his Fortress and saves the day. Who is Clark Kent? Some guy Lex Luthor knew? Right he knew a lot of people. A reporter at a newspaper? So what? Oh and as for the govt. I'm sure Martha, Gen. Lane and even Luthor himself will have some part in it.

Lois already knows his identity, and I think it works great for this show. If the real Lex does return he can go ahead and say he doesn't remember anything, deny his involvement like Birthright. He can also be lying and have some kind of ulterior motive where he knows the truth and is seeking blackmail? I don't know, there are a lot of possibilities. But at the end of the day it boils down to what DavidB said:

Suspension of Disbelief.

And limitations? Please, the only thing limiting fans is their lack of imagination. I'll be all good if they don't explain it at all. They don't need to. Oh and just to throw in my opinion regarding "what if reporters zone in on him" -- in the comics Supes always does a bit of a blur to make sure his facial details are misleading in photographs. He's Superman after all.

Oh and Darkseid's presence in S10 ... yeah, I never got why we needed Darkseid anyway. I get that he's been featured prominently in Superman both in the comics and outside of it, but he's not a Superman villain per se. Darkseid is a character of the New Gods, of Fourth World. In a sense he does top all the other seasoned-villains in Smallville because for the first time the leading bad guy is someone who encompasses the entire DC Universe. That's been the sole focus of this season - to establish why Superman is the greatest hero of them all, the VRA storyarc proves this even more so. In the current comics as well as in SV he isn't the first superhero, and thus his importance in the superhero community needs to be addressed to new fans. This season does that very well. And besides... is ANYONE honestly thinking about Darkseid? Seriously? I mean... NO... the focus is LEX LUTHOR'S RETURN DAMN IT!

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Smallville has always been, while not a complete elseworlds, something different than true canon.

no one will know he's Superman. Except for his few close friends.

It's how the comics work, and it has to be how Smallville does it.
Any other way wouldn't make any sense.

Suspension of Disbelief. So, to me, they need not explain how people don't know he's Superman, because that insults the intelligence of the fans.

The single best solution is for Smallville to just be like the comics, and make sure it's never addressed.

Agreed

 

[DavidB1111]

in the comics Supes always does a bit of a blur to make sure his facial details are misleading in photographs. He's Superman after all.

NOOOOOOO! John Bryne ruined Superman by explaining the Suspension of Disbelief, showing that Superman blurs himself. That's a bad thing. And that example doesn't help you at all. In fact, I dare say that hurts you.

Pre-Crisis Superman didn't have to worry about it. Neither should Smallville's
The only time they managed to say anything about it was in a story in the Bronze Age and it was because of his Super-Hypnotism.

But like I said, and you agreed with, Suspension of Disbelief.

They can't mention it, or it makes them guilty of insulting all their fans intelligence.
As I've said, only people in a coma, or people who have no use of their brains, like politicians, , need Suspension of Disbelief explained to them.

Everyone else, including people who suffer from Down Syndrome, and even Forest Gump, , understands not to question it.

And hey, if Forest Gump understands it....is it really that hard to understand?

 

[misjuevos]

the martian manhunter can always do the mindwipe of the world i guess. or maybe johns has something in mind to help them out like he did with gl.

 

[Marvin]

the best explanation for the disguise working was danny o'neil's take.

superman doesn't wear a disguise and he doesn't ride off into the mountains to what would probably be his secret lair.

He's a "god" that flies up into the clouds and watches us.
NO one even considers he has a secret ID which is perfect. That would be like assuming a maskless jesus has a secret ID. Lex who would be smart enough to see past this has ego problems and lois has emotional constraits to superman...It's very clever stuff

And to top it all off, Clark doesn't really know anyone from the city and has led a low key life.....OH WAIT.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I don't care if it makes sense or not...I just want a awasome series finale.

 

[Webhead2006]

Really smallville has always been its own tale on superman. No different from past shows/cartoons. It does it own things. While also borrowing ideas/plot from various past incarnations. Sure it seems screwed up at times. But they are not confided to fit in to the normal story. Its its own thing and will end on its own marks.

 

[Bhoward]

Its one thing to suspend disbelief for Lois, Lex, Perry, Jimmy and the rest of Clark's close friends, but totally another for the whole world. This Clark is too much of a public figure, son of a Senator, etc. I don't see anything wrong with correcting that. I don't feel it would be a "jump the shark" moment or a big f**k you to all the fans either. The producers have said they are lining the show back up with the comic canon so why not this viewpoint. Lastly, anyone trying to take over the world qualifies as a *****ebag. I don't think he cares enough about humans to stop at wiping their minds. I'm just saying.

 

[Marvin]

Marvin, Darkseid is coming to full materialized form in a few more episodes away.
Be patient. It's not my fault Smallville had to do the stupid VRA storyline.

Although, it was totally Darkseid's fault that the VRA started. So, yeah, he has been influencing things.

What I mind is that he's not present. This season should have been sold as a VRA (marvel rip off) season. It may have gotten less ratings but at least they would have been honest about it.
I've felt Lex's presence more than Dman, and it's not lex's season...
It's just misleading is all.

I guess it's over now, I remember last season when Ollie was captured and we all thought it was apokolips and granny and what not...

I don't understand this argument.
There's nothing wrong with Clark Kent and Lois being together.
I honestly don't understand your complaint.

They are destined to be together.
It is unstoppable fate.

What is the problem with them being together? I'm really not getting it. I'm serious here, you're the first person I have ever seen on the entire internet to not like her and Clark together.

first off, I doubt I'm the only one on the internet that's ever felt that way.

Secondly, hollywood works on the idea of love interests, the CW was built on them. I find there are episodes that are more cw like than Smallville at it's best.
They would probably be better off saying this is a how about clarks destiny to end up with lois rather than him becoming superman as we know it lol.

all this stuff belongs in the complaints thread.

as for the argument in this thread

at this point, there aren't many people in the smallville uinverse that wouldn't recognize clarks voice on a phone let alone him in a superman costume.
But to look at ep 200, he is doing it so we'll see.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Yup because as we all know, it makes complete sense in the comics that none of the people around Clark on a regular basis can tell the difference between him and Superman. I mean he only hangs out with who are supposed to be some of the best and brightest reporters in the world.

As Tempus put it in Lois & Clark:

Lois: If you wanna kill Superman, I don't know why you're going to Smallville or 1966.
Tempus: She doesn't know yet. Oh, this is good. This is really good. Um, Lois, did you know that, in the future, you're revered at the same level as Superman? Why there are books about you, statues, an interactive game. You're even a breakfast cereal.
Lois: Really?
Tempus: Yes. But, as much as everybody loves you, there is one question that keeps coming up: "How dumb was she?" Here, I'll show you what I mean. Look
[puts glasses on]
Tempus: , I'm Clark Kent.
[Takes glasses off]
Tempus: No, I'm Superman.
[Puts glasses on]
Tempus: Mild-mannered reporter.
[Takes glasses off]
Tempus: Superhero. Hello! Duh! Clark Kent is Superman. Ha, ha, ha. Well, that was worth the whole trip. To actually meet the most galactically stupid woman who ever lived.

 

[KalKai]

Yup because as we all know, it makes complete sense in the comics that none of the people around Clark on a regular basis can tell the difference between him and Superman. I mean he only hangs out with who are supposed to be some of the best and brightest reporters in the world.

As Tempus put it in Lois & Clark:

/thread

Close it.

 

[Marvin]

double

 

[Marvin]

Yup because as we all know, it makes complete sense in the comics that none of the people around Clark on a regular basis can tell the difference between him and Superman. I mean he only hangs out with who are supposed to be some of the best and brightest reporters in the world.

As Tempus put it in Lois & Clark:

considering Clark is performing his elaborate duality at this point in the comics and before he meets any of them. I'd say you missed the whole point of the tread.

it's too little too late for them to casually go that route in smallville, if anything it affirms to the "casual audience" the the very idea has be ridiculous the whole time. There are many comic book writers that have actually attempted to pull off this device with integrity.

See All Star:

http://tegneseriesiden.dk/images/clark_kent_all-star_superman.jpg

See BirthRight

Superman The Movie

topped off with the lack of mask theory and it makes just enough sense to prove how flawed both Lois&Clark are as well as and most definitely Smallville.
I have a friend that looks like jesus, does that mean I'm going to start wonder if he's in disguise?

 

[Brainiac 8]

Nah, same basic principle applies. If Lois and Perry were as great of reporters as they were supposed to be, Clark should have been found out years before he was.

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter...you'll not be happy no matter what anyone says. Why think about a comic book inspired show that hard. In my opinion they shouldn't even explain it. Like in the comics, noone will recognize Clark because they are not supposed to.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I quite enjoy when Catman comes in here and hocks up a hairball err thread.....

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't like the "suspension of disbelief" route, because Clark without his glasses has already been seen on national TV and there are photos of him around on the internet and in newspapers etc. It wouldn't be difficult within the Smallville universe to figure out he is Superman by just comparing photos.

I would prefer the idea that, when Clark becomes Superman, he is "transfigured", so that his "glory" radiates from his face such that he is unrecognisable. This would be in the same way that Jesus was unrecognisable to his disciples after his resurrection or to the disciples on the road to Emmaus. Those disciples travelling to Emmaus spent a whole day with him and didn't recognise him until he broke bread, and their eyes were opened. I would think this would be a far more plausible explanation for Superman (particularly as he has these Christ-like comparisons) without performing a mind wipe, mass hypnotism or suspension of disbelief. The suspension would've worked if Clark started with glasses from the start of the series, but I don't think it could work now the way the series has panned out.

 

[daveswb]

Interesting thread. And here I thought it might of been something about not being able to get closure on some of the story lines. Like Chloe and Oliver. They have hinted at a Black Canary Green Arrow romance and yet are keeping Chloe and Oliver involved. It bothers me for 2 reasons. The obvious is the disrespect to the source material, the second, as I have stated before, is Chloe should have been killed off a long time ago.
For all those needing an explanation of how people don’t know Clark is Superman let me say this. You are watching a TV show about an alien that looks exactly like a human, however he has super speed, he can fly (eventually), can hear things miles away, can freeze things with his breath, he has super strength and shoots fire/lasers from his eyes. And you want to have something explained to you so it makes more sense?
Why are you watching the show in the first place? Really, just sit back and enjoy the ride.
For those stating that he’s too public of a figure because he is a senator’s son let me ask you this, do you know what any senator’s children’s names are or what they look like? I don’t. Politician’s children (with maybe the exception of the President) are not really “public” figures. The general public doesn’t really pay attention to them. And right now he is a low level reporter for the planet working in the bull pen. His name might be known, but not his face.
Superman has been around for 73 years and the glasses have been a good enough disguise all this time, why worry about it now? Really?
I’ll be honest a small part of me hoped they would explain the disguise as a “power”, which is something I don’t think has ever been done in any Superman story, but alas I don’t think we are going to get that, but in the end I am fine with it, and you should all be to.

 

[Brainiac 8]

For the love of....this is not the comics, it's a new take, an elseworlds tale, an alternate reality, what have you.

Because they change something that fits with this vision of the mythos is not showing disrespect to the source material, it's just another take on the characters. That is all.

 

[Marvin]

Nah, same basic principle applies. If Lois and Perry were as great of reporters as they were supposed to be, Clark should have been found out years before he was.

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter...you'll not be happy no matter what anyone says. Why think about a comic book inspired show that hard. In my opinion they shouldn't even explain it. Like in the comics, noone will recognize Clark because they are not supposed to.

I'll be happy when someone says something worth while actually, but I guess that's one way to get the point across.

As for why think about comic book inspired material that hard? Because the source puts effort into facilitating my thought.

For example:
Why can a man fly.
Well...he's from another more advanced star system...solar powered cells...bio-anti-gravitational field generating vestigial organ...etc.
(birthright)

what you're demanding is to just accept that he can fly because he can and that's what's up.

The comics did some good work in passing off his disguise for years. My friends are always going off on how dumb something is(ie a maskless disguise) and I tell them how the comic addresses it and they ponder for a while. What this show is about to do is prove to the world why it does work and affirm all their suspicions all along.

Smallville is a show that celebrates mediocrity so I'm not surprised that people are willing do accept this on top of everything else(doomsday,justice league, jor el..etc)

Even Tarantino addressed this to a degree in KillBill, and what smallville is approaching side steps that(hey clark why are you acting like a clutz all of a sudden, I've known the real you for about 7 seasons now..)

Look I'm not saying it sucks(yet), what I'm saying is before you/anyone goes saying it will work in this show BECAUSE it works in the comics, I beg you to reconsider.

For the love of....this is not the comics, it's a new take, an elseworlds tale, an alternate reality, what have you.

Because they change something that fits with this vision of the mythos is not showing disrespect to the source material, it's just another take on the characters. That is all.

one that "makes no sense"

 

[Brainiac 8]

I'll be happy when someone says something worth while actually, but I guess that's one way to get the point across.

So if others opinions don't match yours, then it's not worthwhile?

Gotcha.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well hopefully they will have some good logical way to wrap on things like superman face going public, how clark can hide, and other things.