The FFINO ZONE

[Whiskey Tango]

I had to endure the "say yes" crap as I passed through the living room just now. This is truly the cold, unsweetened oatmeal of superhero movies.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lol you guys really hate that line.

I don't know what I think particularly about that line, I just know that I agree about the unsweeten oatmeal. It's the blandest looking Comic book film in years.

 

[lordofthenerds]

"What if we say no?
"Say yes."

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

"We should use these powers to help people."

"We're stronger together than we are apart."

Characters spitting cliches at one another. Kinbergian dialogue.

 

[Son of Coul]

In all fairness to "Say yes", in the Avengers trailer we got:

"How desperate are you that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?"
"You have made me very desperate."

But in the final cut the latter is front-loaded to make it sound more natural (even though the final line itself still wasn't great); something similar could be the case here, no matter how lame it is as presented in the marketing.

 

[Val_Zod]

"What if we say no?
"Say yes."

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

"We should use these powers to help people."

"We're stronger together than we are apart."

Characters spitting cliches at one another. Kinbergian dialogue.

And people have the nerve to call him a great writer. He's replaced Kurztman and Orci as the biggest fraud in Hollywood.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

"What if we say no?
"Say yes."

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

"We should use these powers to help people."

"We're stronger together than we are apart."

Characters spitting cliches at one another. Kinbergian dialogue.

For some reason these lines in particular confuse me. Intellectually I understand them but they just sound odd to me. And believe me I'm used to bad dialogue, even in films that I like so I'm not pretending that goofy dialogue is anything new.

 

[Dark Raven]

Do you have a Thing?
What if I say no?
Say yes.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

For some reason this line in particular confuses me. Intellectually I understand it but it just sounds odd to me. And believe me I'm used to bad dialogue, even in films that I like so I'm not pretending that goofy dialogue is anything new.

The second sentence is ambiguous. Isolated, it could mean one or more of them are as strong as him. A more common and precise wording would be "But he's not stronger than all of ustogether."

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The Sphinx did it better.

"He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions."

When you doubt your powers, you give power to your doubts."

"When you can balance a tack hammer on your head, you will head off your foes with a balanced attack."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The say "yes" line is their version of the MoS, "what do you think?". The question that breaks the 4th wall. But it doesn't have the context to back it up like the MoS line. It is so bad, as is the line delivery.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

My biggest problem with:

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

Is that it's a line that seems very pleased with itself - as if the writer thinks it's a very clever statement, but while, superficially, it may sound like a clever use of wording, the underlying concept is obvious and not clever at all.

"Wait? You mean four people teaming up against one might be able to beat him? Good lord, I never thought of that! I was thinking one of us should attack him and get beaten before anybody else steps in. I mean it wouldn't be fair for more than one of us to fight him at once, would it?

The concept of teaming up isn't a great revelation, the concept of not teaming up would be stupid.

I think, in a nutshell, that's what's wrong with the line.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This isn't the Avengers or even X-Men. There is no question they are teaming up, so yeah it is pretty stupid.

 

[Dark Raven]

The say "yes" line is their version of the MoS, "what do you think?". The question that breaks the 4th wall. But it doesn't have the context to back it up like the MoS line. It is so bad, as is the line delivery.

If they were going to have a 4th wall breaking line, it should've been an Emperor's New Clothes-type line: "they'll see it anyway."

- "These special effects aren't finished. There's supposed to be a big mole monster here."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "These uniforms are terrible. Audiences will see we don't have proper costumes."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "Are you sure Sue looks completely invisible here?"
- They'll see her anyway."

- "Thing seems to be missing a thing."
- "They'll see it anyway."

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

My biggest problem with:

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

Is that it's a line that seems very pleased with itself - as if the writer thinks it's a very clever statement, but while, superficially, it mat sound like a clever use of wording, the underlying concept is obvious and not clever at all.

"Wait? You mean four people teaming up against one might be able to beat him? Good lord, I never thought of that! I was thinking one of us should attack him and get beaten before anybody else steps in. I mean it wouldn't be fair for more than one of us to fight him at once, would it?

The concept of teaming up isn't a great revelation, the concept of not teaming up would be stupid.

I think, in a nutshell, that's what's wrong with the line.

It's like you read my mind or something. All of these thoughts ran through my head when I heard that line. I think it was Quasar or someone who did a hysterical parody of the line earlier but can't remember now.

 

[Flint Marko]

If they were going to have a 4th wall breaking line, it should've been an Emperor's New Clothes-type line: "they'll see it anyway."

- "These special effects aren't finished. There's supposed to be a big mole monster here."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "These uniforms are terrible. Audiences will see we don't have proper costumes."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "Are you sure Sue looks completely invisible here?"
- They'll see her anyway."

- "Thing seems to be missing a thing."
- "They'll see it anyway."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If they were going to have a 4th wall breaking line, it should've been an Emperor's New Clothes-type line: "they'll see it anyway."

- "These special effects aren't finished. There's supposed to be a big mole monster here."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "These uniforms are terrible. Audiences will see we don't have proper costumes."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "Are you sure Sue looks completely invisible here?"
- They'll see her anyway."

- "Thing seems to be missing a thing."
- "They'll see it anyway."

If they actually did that and owned the suck, that might be the one thing that could save it.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

And people have the nerve to call him a great writer. He's replaced Kurztman and Orci as the biggest fraud in Hollywood.

I'm happy to see others recognizing this. Kinberg's writing was the biggest detriment to DOFP. It was Bryan Singer's directing and the great acting that saved that film. Even so the writing is so bad it makes it hard for me to enjoy it.

I'm actually worried about what he's going to do to Star Wars.

I think The Last Stand is more representative of Kinberg's work and unless Trank pulls a Singer (which I don't believe he's of the same caliber) I expect Fanfourstick will be more of the same.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm happy to see others recognizing this. Kinberg's writing was the biggest detriment to DOFP. It was Bryan Singer's directing and the great acting that saved that film. Even so the writing is so bad it makes it hard for me to enjoy it.

I'm actually worried about what he's going to do to Star Wars.

I think The Last Stand is more representative of Kinberg's work and unless Trank pulls a Singer (which I don't believe he's of the same caliber) I expect Fanfourstick will be more of the same.

Kinberg is a good writer, who has already shown he can write Star Wars. In fact, he wrote the best Star Wars story this side of the OT.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If they were going to have a 4th wall breaking line, it should've been an Emperor's New Clothes-type line: "they'll see it anyway."

- "These special effects aren't finished. There's supposed to be a big mole monster here."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "These uniforms are terrible. Audiences will see we don't have proper costumes."
- "They'll see it anyway."

- "Are you sure Sue looks completely invisible here?"
- They'll see her anyway."

- "Thing seems to be missing a thing."
- "They'll see it anyway."

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm indifferent on Kinberg as a whole, he's had just as many (if not more) failures than successes, but the magical antidote that took away Professor X's power and conveniently gave him his legs was pretty atrocious. And that's coming from someone who liked DOFP enough to buy the Rogue Cut. So I have my doubts that he and Trank were able to turn in an interesting story.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm actually worried about what he's going to do to Star Wars.

After reading his interviews and realizing how little imagination and insight he has at his disposal, I'm afraid that's going to eat at my mind going into any other films he'll be involved with.

It's like when you pull something out of the fridge that's past its expiration date. Even if it tastes okay, it's hard to enjoy it and put out of your mind the thought that you may be eating something nasty.

 

[Val_Zod]

I'm happy to see others recognizing this. Kinberg's writing was the biggest detriment to DOFP. It was Bryan Singer's directing and the great acting that saved that film. Even so the writing is so bad it makes it hard for me to enjoy it.

I'm actually worried about what he's going to do to Star Wars.

I think The Last Stand is more representative of Kinberg's work and unless Trank pulls a Singer (which I don't believe he's of the same caliber) I expect Fanfourstick will be more of the same.

When DOFP first came out, it was my favorite comic book film of the year. However with closer inspection outside of the vfx and performances, I saw the film was a structural mess and it dipped to third favorite of the year, thanks large in part to Kinberg's plothole induced writing. That on top of his other duds like Jumper and X3 ( as well as the uncredited Fantastic Four 2005) is one of the reasons I have little faith in him salvaging Trank's mess.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

After reading his interviews and realizing how little imagination and insight he has at his disposal, I'm afraid that's going to eat at my mind going into any other films he'll be involved with.

It's like when you pull something out of the fridge that's past its expiration date. Even if it tastes okay, it's hard to enjoy it and put out of your mind the thought that you may be eating something nasty.

What a bunch of BS. Some of you have taken this war on this film to a new level now.

I'm indifferent on Kinberg as a whole, he's had just as many (if not more) failures than successes, but the magical antidote that took away Professor X's power and conveniently gave him his legs was pretty atrocious. And that's coming from someone who liked DOFP enough to buy the Rogue Cut. So I have my doubts that he and Trank were able to turn in an interesting story.

The Charles idea was a nice idea. The choice. The problem was definitely the method. Still not sure how that worked.

 

[Dark Raven]

After reading his interviews and realizing how little imagination and insight he has at his disposal, I'm afraid that's going to eat at my mind going into any other films he'll be involved with.

It's like when you pull something out of the fridge that's past its expiration date. Even if it tastes okay, it's hard to enjoy it and put out of your mind the thought that you may be eating something nasty.

Audience reaction to looking in the fridge of FFINO and sampling its wares:

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The say "yes" line is their version of the MoS, "what do you think?". The question that breaks the 4th wall. But it doesn't have the context to back it up like the MoS line. It is so bad, as is the line delivery.

Yeah, that's a good observation.