The FFINO ZONE

[Willie Lumpkin]

What a bunch of BS. Some of you have taken this war on this film to a new level now.

That's just the way it is. When this started, I had no opinion of Kinberg one way or the other.

Then I read some dumb comments by him and thought "hmmm".

Then more dumb statements and more dumb statements to the point I have no respect for his aesthetic sense or ability to understand characters.

And now that I have that viewpoint, it's hard to get past it. If I go to a film by people I respect, I have high expectations and I fit what I see to those expectations. And it's the opposite if I see a film by people I don't respect.

It's called cognitive dissonance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

 

[Flint Marko]

The Charles idea was a nice idea. The choice. The problem was definitely the method. Still not sure how that worked.

The idea behind it was certainly nice, and it showed Professor X in a more interesting manner than what we had seen previously. However, the execution was ridiculous. I went with it because I liked the movie, but it's a pretty awful plot device.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My biggest problem with:

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

Is that it's a line that seems very pleased with itself - as if the writer thinks it's a very clever statement, but while, superficially, it may sound like a clever use of wording, the underlying concept is obvious and not clever at all.

"Wait? You mean four people teaming up against one might be able to beat him? Good lord, I never thought of that! I was thinking one of us should attack him and get beaten before anybody else steps in. I mean it wouldn't be fair for more than one of us to fight him at once, would it?

The concept of teaming up isn't a great revelation, the concept of not teaming up would be stupid.

I think, in a nutshell, that's what's wrong with the line.

You ****ing nailed it.

 

[Orba]

Isn't Kinberg behind the X-Men plan that the timeline changes in DOFP resulted in people being born earlier? Even born so early that they had to have been born before the timeline change occured.

 

[Snow Queen]

When DOFP first came out, it was my favorite comic book film of the year. However with closer inspection outside of the vfx and performances, I saw the film was a structural mess and it dipped to third favorite of the year, thanks large in part to Kinberg's plothole induced writing. That on top of his other duds like Looper and X3 ( as well as the uncredited Fantastic Four 2005) is one of the reasons I have little faith in him salvaging Trank's mess.

He didn't have anything to do with Looper (which was a great film, but that's besides the point).

 

[Orba]

Yeah, I think he was confused with Jumper rather than Looper.

 

[starscream22]

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

For some reason these lines in particular confuse me. Intellectually I understand them but they just sound odd to me. And believe me I'm used to bad dialogue, even in films that I like so I'm not pretending that goofy dialogue is anything new.

It's the first line that sets up the second line in the cheapest way possible.

It also makes the group sounds like "We're a bunch of weak punks so lets jump him"

 

[lordofthenerds]

My biggest problem with:

"He's stronger than any of us."
"But he's not stronger than all of us."

Is that it's a line that seems very pleased with itself - as if the writer thinks it's a very clever statement, but while, superficially, it may sound like a clever use of wording, the underlying concept is obvious and not clever at all.

"Wait? You mean four people teaming up against one might be able to beat him? Good lord, I never thought of that! I was thinking one of us should attack him and get beaten before anybody else steps in. I mean it wouldn't be fair for more than one of us to fight him at once, would it?

The concept of teaming up isn't a great revelation, the concept of not teaming up would be stupid.

I think, in a nutshell, that's what's wrong with the line.

Pretty much. Plus, we've already seen this theme of people having to come together to beat a powerful villain many times. It's fairly common.

So when characters just outright spell it out for us, it sounds cliche and uninspired. The theme can still work if you show it, instead of telling it (The Avengers).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't have much of an opinion of Kinberg. No writer is perfect though.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The idea behind it was certainly nice, and it showed Professor X in a more interesting manner than what we had seen previously. However, the execution was ridiculous. I went with it because I liked the movie, but it's a pretty awful plot device.

Agreed. There are many other plot problems and creative choices that I strongly dislike as well.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Kinberg is a good writer, who has already shown he can write Star Wars. In fact, he wrote the best Star Wars story this side of the OT.

What story is that pray tell?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

After reading his interviews and realizing how little imagination and insight he has at his disposal, I'm afraid that's going to eat at my mind going into any other films he'll be involved with.

It's like when you pull something out of the fridge that's past its expiration date. Even if it tastes okay, it's hard to enjoy it and put out of your mind the thought that you may be eating something nasty.

Nice analogy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What story is that pray tell?

"Fire Across the Galaxy". The season 1 finale for Rebels. It is brilliant. Brought the whole season to a close, while still working as its own thing. That they made it work in 20 mins is a credit to both him and Filoni. He also wrote the very good premiere, "Spark of Rebellion".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The idea behind it was certainly nice, and it showed Professor X in a more interesting manner than what we had seen previously. However, the execution was ridiculous. I went with it because I liked the movie, but it's a pretty awful plot device.

Agreed.

He didn't have anything to do with Looper (which was a great film, but that's besides the point).

Is it beside the point? Someone just crapped on Looper. We need to burn their geek card.

 

[Val_Zod]

He didn't have anything to do with Looper (which was a great film, but that's besides the point).

Shoot, I meant Jumper. Always get those names mixed up.

 

[Urich Leeds]

What story is that pray tell?

Star Wars: Rebels, but its unfair to attribute that all to him.

 

[Orba]

"Fire Across the Galaxy". The season 1 finale for Rebels. It is brilliant. Brought the whole season to a close, while still working as its own thing. That they made it work in 20 mins is a credit to both him and Filoni. He also wrote the very good premiere, "Spark of Rebellion".

The problem with TV series credits is that sometimes they are group efforts but only one person is given the screen credit for it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I like Gambit but I think it's sad that Fox are putting more effort into his solo than they did Fantastic Four.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The problem with TV series credits is that sometimes they are group efforts but only one person is given the screen credit for it.

No one working on Rebels is going to tell Kinberg what to do. Filoni is great, but he isn't Joss on Buffy. He doesn't have that kind of power over someone like Kinberg.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

"Fire Across the Galaxy". The season 1 finale for Rebels. It is brilliant. Brought the whole season to a close, while still working as its own thing. That they made it work in 20 mins is a credit to both him and Filoni. He also wrote the very good premiere, "Spark of Rebellion".

Interesting. I haven't watched that series as I don't have much of an interest in the animated stuff. I don't have a high opinion of Kinberg but if it's as good as you say - I may need to check that out. I wonder how much of that is him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like Gambit but I think it's sad that Fox are putting more effort into his solo than they did Fantastic Four.

I use to like Gambit. Then they turned him into Wolverine 2.0.

 

[Val_Zod]

No one working on Rebels is going to tell Kinberg what to do. Filoni is great, but he isn't Joss on Buffy. He doesn't have that kind of power over someone like Kinberg.

Which is ridiculous imo, as Filoni's body of work trumps Kinberg's

 

[lordofthenerds]

No one working on Rebels is going to tell Kinberg what to do. Filoni is great, but he isn't Joss on Buffy. He doesn't have that kind of power over someone like Kinberg.

This is why I hate Simon Kinberg. He's got so much power and influence, and such limited talent.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Interesting. I haven't watched that series as I don't have much of an interest in the animated stuff. I don't have a high opinion of Kinberg but if it's as good as you say - I may need to check that out. I wonder how much of that is him.

There were many who complained about the first season of Rebels, but the vast majority agreed on the finale being quite good. I am a Rebels guy, and even I was a bit shocked by how good it was. As to how much of it was Kinberg, he is a co-creator of the show, though Filoni directed the episode.

 

[Orba]

No one working on Rebels is going to tell Kinberg what to do. Filoni is great, but he isn't Joss on Buffy. He doesn't have that kind of power over someone like Kinberg.

I don't think its about stealing credits but rather with some series where they have a writing group people get turns as being the one who gets the screen credit when the story is a group effort. I'm sure I remember ones mentioning it in either a Simpsons or Futurama commentary.