The Flash Box Office Thread

[Detective Conan]

The biggest takeaway I get from this horrendous opening is that it’s clear as day that the return of Keaton’s Batman wasn’t nearly as big a draw as they assumed. If you wanted a Batman to appear in order to make your 200 million dollar Flash film succeed you probably needed to bring Christian Bale(though that’s practically impossible).

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Lower than Black Adam’s opening. That’s just embarrassing

And I don't know if anyone would say Black Adam is better than The Flash.

Let's face it, while The Flash was nowhere near as good as they tried to make everyone believe, it's absolute collapse at the box office is not all it's own fault. Blockbuster fatigue, potential Miller controversy, overexposure, bad blood from previous DC turds, superhero apathy (which isn't huge, but is playing a factor, I think) and the streaming effect/high ticket prices are all factors the studios have to start considering.

The success of ATSV is proof that the GA isn't sick of superheroes, but the low box office numbers lately of so many other superhero flicks is evidence that over-saturation could be starting to set in. If going to the movies is such a pricey prospect, folks are going to be picky about which superhero flicks they commit the ol' wallet to. Even better reviewed superhero flicks like The Batman grossed less than one would think.

I think even if The Flash had much more going for it, it wasn't going to be a billion dollar flick. If a Batman solo flick can't even gross a billion anymore, what chance does a lesser DC hero who the GA isn't attached to have? The GA had no affinity for Miller's Flash. Heck, if it had been a movie starring Gustin, I think the film might've done better, by however many degrees.

 

[Silver Surfer]

And we thought things were bad then.

The only saving grace now is the lack of denial from the fan-base.

I remember people tied themselves into knots trying to explain why that box office was not a disaster.

 

[Filmfreak]

Funny how they say Flash 'disappoints' but Elemental 'flops'. Both flopped spectacularly.

They did but on a different level. Both films reportedly cost around 200 million. The Flash made 140 million worldwide, while Elemental barely reached 50.

 

[Iceman]

They did but on a different level. Both films reportedly cost around 200 million. The Flash made 140 million worldwide, while Elemental barely reached 50.

Elemental cost $200m? Wow, this is terrible news for the future of Pixar films being released theatrically then.

 

[Filmfreak]

Cavill is a terrible actor imo.

True, but then again I stopped to think of a Justice League cast member who was half decent and couldn't find one.

 

[Iceman]

The only saving grace now is the lack of denial from the fan-base.

I remember people tied themselves into knots trying to explain why that box office was not a disaster.

There’s no way to tie yourself in knots over even $300m worldwide not being certain for a big budget event film CBM with the bonus of bringing back Keaton. Fans and WB are being forced to face some hard truths. CBMs no longer get a free ride and can collapse if they don’t appeal to the GA.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The biggest takeaway I get from this horrendous opening is that it’s clear as day that the return of Keaton’s Batman wasn’t nearly as big a draw as they assumed. If you wanted a Batman to appear in order to make your 200 million dollar Flash film succeed you probably needed to bring Christian Bale(though that’s practically impossible).

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

 

[Frodo]

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

At first glance that surprises me , but then I realize, that Batman Begins is nearly 20 years old, and I'm guessing that alot of that alot of the students you teach were probably pretty young when TDKR was released.

So I can see how it wouldn't be the be all and end all to people their age.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Even the 4-day gross will be lower than Black Adam's 3-day gross. The Flash's 3-day gross is also lower than the first Shazam's opening weekend.

Yep.

 

[Iceman]

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

It needs to be put into the essential curriculum.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

Disagree. Those that went to NWH, are that exact crowd. They grew up with the movies on television/streaming. It's the exact same age range.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

Such is the fate of many adaptations of greater known characters. I think Connery and the Bond thing are mostly because people consider Connery to be the source Bond. Before I became a fan, I had no idea he was originally a literary character.

I'll be honest, outside of geek circles, I don't hear anybody cite Bale as a great Batman. I don't hear people dog on him, either. I think, similar to Keaton, he was overshadowed by Ledger and Hardy. The most remembered thing from TDK is The Joker, and Bane for his voice.

I actually think that Batman is a genuinely less beloved character than Spidey, to the GA. I mean, people love Batman, but they don't seem to love him as a character unto himself. They like stuff he does, but not any aspect of his personality. We know Spidey whips Batman with GA when it comes to merch, and that may be indicative of the bigger picture. NWH made impossible money in a pandemic world. The Batman didn't even crack a billion.

 

[B]

Today's teens don't care about Christian Bale either. I teach 11-18 year olds and The Dark Knight means nothing to them.

Oh sure, a number of them know of the film, but it gets a great big shoulder shrug. Pop culture moves on quickly.

Oh yes, especially nowadays with so much superhero media available. Christopher Reeve & Michael Keaton's Superman & Batman bleed into the 90's & even the early 00's kids because there really wasn't anything else like them in that 20-25 year sort of span on the big screen.

Now, the next superhero blockbuster is the following or same year & the next reboot of the same character is only a few years down the line.

 

[Iceman]

Oh yes, especially nowadays with so much superhero media available. Christopher Reeve & Michael Keaton's Superman & Batman bleed into the 90's & even the early 00's kids because there really wasn't anything else like them in that 20-25 year sort of span on the big screen.

Now, the next superhero blockbuster is the following or same year & the next reboot of the same character is only a few years down the line.

Kids who are born now will have too much to catch up on! They’re going to need curated recommendations (from the likes of us lol) or it’s going to be impossible.

 

[B]

Kids who are born now will have too much to catch up on! They’re going to need curated recommendations (from the likes of us lol) or it’s going to be impossible.

Even for adults it's bad enough, I know personally I've actually think I've been getting burned out from all the superhero & comic book content in television/film. Which is something I never thought I'd say but at least for myself it's 100% the case.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Even for adults it's bad enough, I know personally I've actually think I've been getting burned out from all the superhero & comic book content in television/film. Which is something I never thought I'd say but at least for myself it's 100% the case.

For me, I'm at a point where I can't summon a feeling of actual hype anymore. By the time these things are coming out, they sneak up on me and I watch 'em. Even if I partake in news and leaks and such... it doesn't generate excitement anymore.

It's actually kinda nicer. More than once, I've been so hyped for something that I get burnt out before it even arrives.

 

[Iceman]

Even for adults it's bad enough, I know personally I've actually think I've been getting burned out from all the superhero & comic book content in television/film. Which is something I never thought I'd say but at least for myself it's 100% the case.

It’s the shows being added in to the mix that have made it start feeling a bit overwhelming for me. To be fair I was really up for shows and more content, but when a show is mediocre the feeling of wasting my life is so much stronger than with a film.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

It’s the shows being added in to the mix that have made it start feeling a bit overwhelming for me. To be fair I was really up for shows and more content, but when a show is mediocre the feeling of wasting my life is so much stronger than with a film.

At least the MCU shows are 6 episodes. I watched several seasons of the CW shows and when they're 26 episodes long (!) they really begin to feel like a waste of time.

 

[Frodo]

Even for adults it's bad enough, I know personally I've actually think I've been getting burned out from all the superhero & comic book content in television/film. Which is something I never thought I'd say but at least for myself it's 100% the case.

At this point , I basically only go to the theater to see a CBM I really want to see, as opposed to just seeing it for because it is a cbm.

I only saw Wakanda Forever in the theaters this year , and even then, I wished afterwards, that I had waited to stream it.

Everything else this year I've pretty much skipped.

 

[Iceman]

For me, I'm at a point where I can't summon a feeling of actual hype anymore. By the time these things are coming out, they sneak up on me and I watch 'em. Even if I partake in news and leaks and such... it doesn't generate excitement anymore.

It's actually kinda nicer. More than once, I've been so hyped for something that I get burnt out before it even arrives.

I used to know every spoiler for every CBM ahead of time. Now it’s too much and I don’t have the same amount of free time but it’s quite nice to go in without knowing a lot of stuff (that my lack of willpower would never have let me get away with in the past).

 

[FunkMiller]

This is what you deserve when you continue to support a person who has done the things Miller has, shuffle another man off his film when his daughter dies, instead of giving him time to grief. Make the mistake of initially giving that man free rein on your IP. Treat just about everyone concerned like crap for a decade, and try to fool the audience into liking your film using grotesque CGI recreations of dead actors.

I couldn't be happier.

 

[Iceman]

At least the MCU shows are 6 episodes. I watched several seasons of the CW shows and when they're 26 episodes long (!) they really begin to feel like a waste of time.

I started all the shows in the CW but in the end had to give up. I was behind on all of them so couldn’t talk about them for risk of spoilers and it was a neverending mission trying to catch up with new episodes always coming out. Same happened to me on Walking Dead. Unless I watch these when they first release as they come out it becomes too difficult with so many other things releasing (including games) all the time.

 

[B]

For me, I'm at a point where I can't summon a feeling of actual hype anymore. By the time these things are coming out, they sneak up on me and I watch 'em. Even if I partake in news and leaks and such... it doesn't generate excitement anymore.

It's actually kinda nicer. More than once, I've been so hyped for something that I get burnt out before it even arrives.

Same, I actually actively avoid visiting the areas of the forum discussing films coming out beforehand as I really don't want to know anything anymore so I can go into a film, like the good old days before the internet/social media & actually enjoy being surprised at something.

Like if they'd kept Keaton's role quiet, completely out of trailers & he just showed up, yes it probably would have hurt their BO financials more, but my goodness that would have been a fantastic for cinema goers.

 

[samsnee]

It’s almost like audiences just don’t care after seeing him teased in BvS and Suicide Squad, which had mediocre receptions at best. Then in Justice League which everyone hated.

Oh and it turns out the actor who plays him is a huge POS.

But it’ll be a mystery why this didn’t do well.