The Flash Box Office Thread

[GreenKToo]

Imo, Gunn needs to really rethink his director choice for B&B.
Obviously it's not all his fault, but, right or wrong, he'll take most of the blame.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Unless something drastic changes, this is now genuinely shaping up to be one of the biggest box office bombs in history. I didn't think it would do well, but I didn't think it would be *this* bad.

Yeah, me neither. I don’t think it’s all the film’s fault. I mean, judging by the RT and IMDb scores, audiences seem to generally like it. But it’s not a rave and, to me, it looks like the market is just over saturated at the moment. We have three CMBs playing right now, plus a fourth flick, Transformers, which may as well be one, it’s fighting for the same audience. And we have Indiana Jones 5 coming in a week and MI7 12 days after that. In this environment people are going to be a bit more selective, and that may explain some of what’s happening with Flash.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Imo, Gunn needs to really rethink his director choice for B&B.
Obviously it's not all his fault, but, right or wrong, he'll take most of the blame.

I think Ezra Miller’s mainstream film career is done and will take the biggest hit. Controversy aside, their performance is considered one of the weaker aspects of the film, at least in the dramatic scenes.

Muschietti can rebound with the right cast for B&B.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Still hasn't beaten Black Adam's 3-day opening.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It will be really interesting to see how Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 fares.

I really think Blue Beetle will be a small late summer hit but Aquaman is 50/50 at this point.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

It will be really interesting to see how Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 fares.

I really think Blue Beetle will be a small late summer hit but Aquaman is 50/50 at this point.

I have no feeling at all about Blue Beetle. Aquaman 2 I think will do ok if only because, at least atm, there’s nothing else coming out this Christmas. Rogue Squadron and Trek 4 were both pencilled in there…and both got cancelled. The Ghostbusters Afterlife sequel was supposed to open the same weekend as Aquaman 2, but I think they are still shooting principal photography right now. A finished film seems unlikely to be ready by December. There’s the Wonka prequel and that animated duck movie and some period piece about a rowing team…and Aquaman 2.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Insert Rocky_throw_in_the_towel dot gif here.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[B]

I think Ezra Miller’s mainstream film career is done and will take the biggest hit. Controversy aside, their performance is considered one of the weaker aspects of the film, at least in the dramatic scenes.

Muschietti can rebound with the right cast for B&B.

I hope you're right, for Gunn's DCU's sake, I would possibly even rethink even having him direct B&B at this point if I were in Gunn's boots.

I realise that there's a hell of a lot of things that were working against him that you could point to that would have impacted how The Flash was received & it's performance at the box office. However, I don't think the film was good enough to give him a complete pass on how the film itself actually turned out.

 

[samsnee]

$300M loss. They were better off shelving this and releasing Batgirl

 

[emc5466]

Gunn has never run anything and some of his decisions hurt this movie (eliminating the final scene and replacing it with a goofy cameo was his idea). The new DCU isn’t going to work, imo.

 

[Andrew92]

Blue Beetle's gonna make The Flash look like a big hit imo.

 

[Filmfreak]

Blue Beetle's gonna make The Flash look like a big hit imo.

I have no doubt this will flop royally too, but at least it cost half the money that The Flash did.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Damn! A 100m domestic or 300m WW isn't even guaranteed at this point.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Gunn has never run anything and some of his decisions hurt this movie (eliminating the final scene and replacing it with a goofy cameo was his idea). The new DCU isn’t going to work, imo.

I’m not sure George Clooney is the reason for the Flash bombing

 

[J.Drangal]

My two cent:
I've seen more enthusiasm in the comments under the trailers for The Flash than for Blue Beetle, and given where this film has finally gone.... I'm pretty sure that one going to bomb too.
Many are already comparing, for now, what's been teased as generic, LIKE something in the same vein as the first Shazam. But I don't think that kind of movies will still receive the same reception/attention as it did four years ago...

I'm not expecting huge numbers for Aquaman either. Maybe not a flop, but even if it doesn't have much competition, any momentum after the first film is probably gone long ago. I mean, even in a place for fans like the sub-forum for it, here on the Hype, there's not much conversation. So...
And there are far too many red flags about what's going on behind the scenes.

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Apart from The Joker and The Batman sequels, which are benefiting from a certain amount of anticipation, there isn't much goodwill and/or indulgence for WB/DC productions.
And I'm not sure that, in the immediate future, the DCEU or DCU labels matter much... Especially with the muddled communication that already lead a part of the public to confuse The Flash with the start of James Gunn's work, his announcements around his new universe being mixed up with the ongoing news of the old regime's yet-to-be-released films.

All in all, I think the damage to the DC franchise at large aren't done yet. Rebuilding it will certainly take a lot of work.
Crazy how all this can become more exciting than the films themselves...

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I imagine to general audiences, The Flash trailers are too visually reminiscent of Justice League, a generic ugly cheesefest with the annoying Flash and Batfleck, not something you rush out to see in a crowded summer in the streaming age, especially just two weeks after Spider-Verse blew people’s minds and perhaps knocked the crown off live action superhero movies as the place to go for beautiful, fresh, culturally exciting spectacle, leaving the genre looking a little passé moving forward.

I’ll be curious to see how well The Marvels does.

 

[samsnee]

I’m not sure George Clooney is the reason for the Flash bombing

Exactly. If anything it gave it more buzz

 

[samsnee]

I imagine to general audiences, The Flash trailers are too visually reminiscent of Justice League, a generic ugly cheesefest with the annoying Flash and Batfleck, not something you rush out to see in a crowded summer in the streaming age, especially just two weeks after Spider-Verse blew people’s minds and perhaps knocked the crown off live action superhero movies as the place to go for beautiful, fresh, culturally exciting spectacle, leaving the genre looking a little passé moving forward.

I’ll be curious to see how well The Marvels does.

I think having Zod shown as the villain again hurt it.

Look at what Endgame did. None of the marketing showed they went back to the events of Avengers or the other movies and kept it a surprise. Even Dark World, which wasn’t loved, got people excited when they saw it in the movie. But I imagine if they had shown it in the trailers, it might have turned people off.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

 

[psylockolussus]

It will be really interesting to see how Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 fares.

I really think Blue Beetle will be a small late summer hit but Aquaman is 50/50 at this point.

I think Blue Beetle will flop.

 

[psylockolussus]

Gunn has never run anything and some of his decisions hurt this movie (eliminating the final scene and replacing it with a goofy cameo was his idea). The new DCU isn’t going to work, imo.

What final scene?

 

[kguillou]

What final scene?

Gunn inserted that final scene cameo and removed the original ending scene with

Spoiler: Spoilers

Cavill, Gadot, Keaton and Calle meeting Barry at the court steps.

Most people agree that was a mistake and the original ending would have fit the film much better narratively. But I'm sure Gunn's worry was teasing people a future that just wasnt going to happen.

There's a litany of reasons working in conjunction with each other contributing to this movie's spectacular failure but bottom line is that this is showing that The Flash as a character holds very little weight with the general public. I admit WB managed to fool me and people like me into thinking the hype for this movie was much bigger than it actually was. It felt like an event movie. But in reality, people just dont care about the Flash despite the decade long running tv series.