The Green Lantern movie thread

[Buckward]

how about george eads as hal?

 

[Changeling]

ya wizard suggested that awhile ago. they had a pretty good cast goin there

 

[Dr. Fate]

I've never seen George Eads' work so I can't say.

 

[Changeling]

He's on CSI

 

[Dr. Fate]

He's on CSI

Ah.

I think his name came up in the Captain Marvel/Power of SHAZAM casting thread a few times.

 

[ubertroy]

Filming: (6/9/03) There is no production start date for this project. It may be several years before this movie gets made, if at all

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/preview/1808492469

Well if that is true then it could be 2009 or 2010.

When did Hal Jordan appear in a JL game?

 

[Savage]

Justice League Heroes. Just last year.

 

[Ghostrider87]

Justice League Heroes. Just last year.

Yes he is the most expensive super hero and Green Lantern. He was refered as their greatest warrior and their worst nightmare in his enemy in his bio.He has this classic costume in the game.

Also with Superman Doomsday slated to come out in September 18,2007 it has this extra feature on it

Other:Justice League: New Frontier Teaser Reel (With the interviews of the filmmakers, voice talent, and DC Comics executives, the world is introduced to the next chapter of the DC Universe: The New Frontier) {TRT 10 minutes}

I am looking foward to that Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) because he is one of the leads the other is Martin Manhunter.

 

[Ghostrider87]

I've never seen George Eads' work so I can't say.

I have to agree with your signature Dr.Fate. Nathan Fillion is still mostly an unknown and he is the best choice for Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) in the Green Lantern movie.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Now THAT'S a good point! And while there are several incongruities in the comparison, it's such a well chosen example, that I won't bother.

That said, I just wanna see John Stewart, I don't really care who else is in the movie...

Then I would say you don't much care about a Green Lantern movie reflecting the comics in any way, shape or form. Stewart has traditionally been a side character at best, a stand in for the more popular Jordan or Rayner. And even with JLU they weren't able to inject much character into him. He is like Gambit is to X-Men, or Prowl is the Transformers. Arguably popular characters who gained some prominence in media representations, but ultimately aren't a necessary part of telling the overarching story. John Stewart has the unfortunate fate of being a tolken character, unlike say Luke Cage or Mr. Terrific who seem to have risen above that status to gain something more. John Stewart will always be an attempt to inject more diversity into the human ranks of GLs, and doesn't really have a ton of weight as a character. After reading Rebirth, Sinestro Corp, and several other appearances of his he just comes off as a hard character to like...or better put, a hard character to get to know. I don't dislike him, but then if Sinestro Kyle killed him next issue I wouldn't bat an eyelash either.

He has certain quirks to him, such as his pension to create constructs a la architectual drawings. But he is written as a total stiff with zero personality, and IMO, less motivation than even Guy Gardener has to be in the Corp. On top of this his origin is unimpressive and kinda starts in the middle of the story. Much like starting a first Batman film at "Boss Zucco cutting the rope at the circus". Certainly a turning point in Bruce's life to be sure, but not an introduction.

I imagine we will see Stewart in some capacity, probably bearing a ring over the course of a potential trilogy. But I truly doubt he will be selected as a main character, or if he is the network will retool his origin to be Hal Jordan esque and make him the only and best human Green Lantern. Of course none of us want that.

If they do a Hal Jordan movie I think ultimately Hal will be among the few Green Lanterns you see. I can imagine Kilowag or some other such GLs making an appearance (Sinestro notwithstanding). Hal Jordan has the origin, he has the rogues gallery and he currently has the full support of DC comics. And while Green Lantern may have 11 Stewartless years, he has more years teamed up with Green Arrow...yet most of us would ignore that for a film franchise.

 

[GL1]

Then I would say you don't much care about a Green Lantern movie reflecting the comics in any way, shape or form.

(other foolishness omitted)

Do you usually begin your "logical" "factual" discourses with ad hominem? I think the cliche is "lies and slander" not "slander and lies." First you present your one sided ill-researched arguement, THEN you read my mind with your neato psionic powers, not the other way around. Amateur.

Once again, you fail to simply state: "GL1, please argue with me." Just say please, SB... it's only polite.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, if Angel can come after Wolverine, then there's nothing to stop Psylocke, Bishop, Polaris, Havok and a host of others from appearing before Wolverine. And I don't know what 'new characters' has to do with 'worth.'

Why is the comparison rediculous? Cuz you just feel like it?

It's a ridiculous camparison because THAT was the starting point for the X-Men. Swap out Wolverine with "Jean Grey" and "Alaskan Wilderness" with "Taxi Cab" and you essentially have the exact same story. The X-Men, from issue 1 had been operating for an undisclosed amount of time, cut off from the rest of the world in a school. With Green Lantern the first time we know of a Green Lantern ring or Corp even potentially existing is when Abin Sur crashes to Earth.

I also disagree that John Stewart is less well known than Hal Jordan (or Kyle Rayner). They all are not that popular. JLU was not a hit show, certainly not among the audience that will be paying to see this film. Frequently comic book fans assume when a comic goes into another media, like television, that instantly creates popularity. It doesn't. It was a children's show on a children's network. And much like children who as adults now cannot remember Hal Jordan in Super Friends, Justice League faces the same fate.

 

[GL1]

Credit where it's due. Great find. (Anything's easier than saying please, I guess. )

So when you say "beginning" you really mean "the 'en media res' that we had before." Interesting. Especially when we can swap out characters at will, as long as it is 'essentially' the same story. Swap out Hal for John, Abin for Hal and drunken pilot with out of work architect and booyah... essentially the same story. Man... where ARE we now?

So how many years has to pass for the target audience of JLU to become adults? Ten years Twenty? Since we know that children don't buy movie tickets, ESPECIALLY not teenagers. Yeah right.

People act like John Stewart never starred in a successful critically acclaimed comic book series before... I can almost count the characters on one hand who have done both of those at the same time.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Doing a movie with John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan is like doing Batman with Jean-Paul Valley (Azrael) instead of Bruce Wayne.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Credit where it's due. Great find. (Anything's easier than saying please, I guess. )

So when you say "beginning" you really mean "the 'en media res' that we had before." Interesting. Especially when we can swap out characters at will, as long as it is 'essentially' the same story. Swap out Hal for John, Abin for Hal and drunken pilot with out of work architect and booyah... essentially the same story. Man... where ARE we now?

Well essentially if they did a John Stewart movie (Devil's Advocate), you'd get what you got with the Superman TAS or the draft Green Lantern script by Smigel. Abin Sur crashes and X guy gets ring. In the case of the script we got it was Bluto, a "fear factor" contestant eating a Coyote. In TAS we got a Hal Jordan looking cartoon artist named Kyle Rayner. Abin Sur IS the Green Lantern introduction. However redone with Kyle, John, or Bluto it is essentially the same story. Now I was unhappy with X-Men in terms of comic accuracy (despite being good films), but they were essentially retelling the same story with different characters. X-Men were operating indisclosed, Mutant is exposed, said mutant flees some sort of danger, said mutant shows up on doorsteps of X-Mansion. That's pretty much the start of the X-Men right there, in a nutshell with any details removed.

So how many years has to pass for the target audience of JLU to become adults? Ten years Twenty? Since we know that children don't buy movie tickets, ESPECIALLY not teenagers. Yeah right.

Children don't. Their parents do. Children may beg and plead to go see movies, but they aren't a reliable target audience. The Target audience is 20-30. Disposable income, the ability to travel in large groups, plenty of freedom to choose what they want to watch, access to most media outlets. Target audience. If you need a reminder of this look at what movies are getting made now, Transformers, Masters of the Universe, Voltron, Speed Racer and G.I.Joe are all in various stages of development. Why, because the former audiences of that show are now at the target age.

As for John Stewart, when will he be popular? Answer, when they make a movie about him. Being a supporting cast member in a cartoon won't make you any more popular than being a main cast member in a DTV video, or a supporting one in a Batman show. Hal Jordan still very much commands the comics, and has a stronger fan base. If you want Stewart to be more popular ultimately he must build a strong fanbase within the comics first. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man and Wolverine all gain prominence because they are iconic in and of themselves, and they gained that from their comic book status. Only Justice League Unlimited fans will truly give a crap about his role in Justice League...and by fans I don't mean casual viewers, I mean those who buy the DVDs and read the comics.

People act like John Stewart never starred in a successful critically acclaimed comic book series before... I can almost count the characters on one hand who have done both of those at the same time.

Well as Katsuro said, if you wanted to start a campfire with those critically successful comics you could warm yourself for a few seconds. You know who else has a critically successful comic series, Captain Britain. It doesn't mean much.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I have to agree with your signature Dr.Fate. Nathan Fillion is still mostly an unknown and he is the best choice for Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) in the Green Lantern movie.

Thank you.

 

[GL1]

Shadowboxing --

So when we strip away enough details, it all looks like Hal, so we might as well go with Hal? This is what you give me to work with?

Then, you build a whole paragraph off of the mention of "children"... as though other cartoons are not also in development...

And then you retreat into the fanboy dreamworld where comic book characters take actions "John must... "

Then you turn "succesful, critically acclaimed" into "critically successful"...

That's not an arguement. That's bait at best, a mockery at worst.

Whatever, all I'm saying is, gimme a John Stewart movie, one way or another, and I'll be happy. John's already proven himself as an A-list worthy character. Make it happen, people...

 

[batnkevlar]

I must say: John Stewart ain't no A-lister in the comics... in JLU, though, he was...

and i wouldn't say 20-30 is the target audience... i would lower it to maybe 16-30... 16 year olds have disposable income, go see movies on their own and in large groups... they count...

but my vote is Hal for the first, Corps for the second, Kyle for the third...

 

[Buttruffage]

John Stewart exists for one reason. Evolution of diversity. It's the only reason he was the Green Lantern on Justice League. The same reason Hawkgirl was used instead of Aquaman. Wonder Woman was a given because she's one of the Trinity characters that have been around since the beginning. In keeping with political correctness a bigger female presence was needed. And, with the exception of a green alien, an all white superhero team was out of the question.

I think John is a good character. But I also don't think he should exist. I think it was short sightedness on DC's part to constantly replace the Green Lantern of 2814 with another earth origin Green Lantern. These space sectors are pretty big, and there should have been a large pool of potential Green Lantern's from numerous worlds that could have taken up the ring. Also, 2814 is the only sector in the Corp's to have a massive representation with 4 Green Lanterns not just from the same sector but the same planet as well. This is one complication non of the Crisis have been able to rectify.

The only way Hal Jordan has a shot at a movie is in a stand alone Green Lantern movie that is made before a Justice League. If Green Lantern shows up in a Justice League movie first, bank on John Stewart. It'll be the easiest money you'll ever make. There is no way you will see an all white Justice League. If Hal is used in a Green Lantern movie first, there will be the obligation of already using what has been established though even that is no guarantee. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman & maybe Martian Manhunter if he's used, will all be either white or green. That will leave Flash, Green Lantern and whoever else is added in. Which due to time restraints probably won't be many as origins and dialogue for all these characters will bog down a production. So if a critical issue of diversity can be solved easily by switching out a more well regarded character for another almost as well regarded, seems a no brainer to me. It'll hurt, Hal's my favorite. But there's no reason he can't show up in another capacity. The way Johns has written them, they can still be partners. They'll just split off on different missions and John Stewart is the one the movie will follow. It won't be ideal, but it won't be the end of the world either.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Yes he is the most expensive super hero and Green Lantern. He was refered as their greatest warrior and their worst nightmare in his enemy in his bio.He has this classic costume in the game.

Also with Superman Doomsday slated to come out in September 18,2007 it has this extra feature on it

Other:Justice League: New Frontier Teaser Reel (With the interviews of the filmmakers, voice talent, and DC Comics executives, the world is introduced to the next chapter of the DC Universe: The New Frontier) {TRT 10 minutes}

I am looking foward to that Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) because he is one of the leads the other is Martin Manhunter.

Here's to Hal all the way!

 

[Ghostrider87]

Here's to Hal all the way!

Agreed.

Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) has over 11 enemies including his archnemesis Sinestro so he has enough for at least 16 or more movies. It wouldn't be that hard to bring Sonar to the big screen. If they ever did Shark it would be a really expensive costume if they were to do how much bigger he is now.

 

[GL1]

John Stewart exists for one reason. Evolution of diversity. It's the only reason he was the Green Lantern on Justice League.

Source?

There is no way you will see an all white Justice League.

But the all-white Justice League is Iconic. Is it our fault if only white people are iconic? Them's the breaks.

It won't be ideal, but it won't be the end of the world either.

It won't be ideal for who?

 

[Savage]

Well it would be taboo at the time to have a black main character back then or a black character at all so it really is not fair. I want Hal in the movie as much as the next guy but it's not because he's iconic but because he's my favorite of the Green Lanterns. I'd be A-okay if he was merged with John Stewart again for a movie though.

 

[Buttruffage]

What does iconic have to do with anything? You really think WB is gonna say "But they're iconic" when Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al are asking why. And you know they will. If Jackson hasn't got a problem calling for a boycott of FOX after 3 viewer-less black shows get cancelled, how could the most iconic superhero movie escape his notice?

My source for the John existence remark is the comics themselves. What iconic story has he been involved in? Crisis? DC rotated Hal out to flesh out Stewart's character, and Crisis happened to coincide at the same time. Other than that, what constantly referenced and revered John Stewart story do fans the world over point to as a masterpiece of the Panel Graphic art form?

Won't be ideal for who?

? Maybe Hal Jordan fans? I was assuming since we were talking about Hal's involvement in a Green Lantern movie and inclusion in a Justice League film that that might be the best that could be hoped for.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Can you imagine fans accepting Brendan Fraser as Hal Jordan?