The Amazing Spider-Man The Gwen Stacy thread

[Project862006]

Poor Bea

Betty White's still alive and kicking though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn1r1jb4--k

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Small tidbit/story detail from CHUD, in regards to Vanderbilt's reboot script:

If the rumors I've heard about the script are true - it's heavy on a Peter/Mary Jane/Flash/Gwen Stacy love rectangle

http://chud.com/articles/articles/22151/1/WILL-THE-SPIDER-MAN-REBOOT-BE-IN-THE-MARVEL-MOVIEVERSE/Page1.html

 

[marvelrobbins]

Peter/Mary jane/Flash/Gwen has roots In the original comicsPeter likes
Gwen who Is one of the women Flash goes on Dates.Gwen secretly likes
Peter.After finally seeing mary jane peter goes on dates with her.Gwen Is
jealous of mary jane.Flash Is attracted to mary jane.

This Is the kind of soap opera the films need.Not Peter just mooning for Mary Jane with no eyes for any other woman till under symbate Influence he wants
to hurt mary jane.Teen romance was always a part of Spider-Man.It just
was done terrable In the Sam Rami version.

Now I never looked at a Issue of the ultimate Spider-man.Nor have I ever
seen Spectular Spider-man.My perfered animated spider-man Is the 90's
series.That show's romance sidelines were always superior to the Rami
films.I believer Spider-man from the real marvel universe from the Stan Lee
Steve Ditko days to the early 90's before they started on the stuff that lead
up to the notoras Clone Saga and It's aftermath Is what they should look at
when adapting Spider-man.Of course If the ultimate series has stuff that can help make If for today's audences while allowing it to be true to the essence
of Spider-man then go ahead.

 

[Nathan]

And because the story is iconic, they'd be talking about it on things like Entertainment Tonight,. The cast would be talking about it with Jay Leno, etc. I'm saying the story would get out.

So, just because it might get spoiled, it shouldn't be filmed? Hey, another spoiler, Norman Osborn turns into the Green Goblin. So, since everyone already knows that, let's just ignore that story arc. Also, everyone knows that Uncle Ben dies, so how about we let him live for a change?

 

[Abaddon]

I can't imagine they'd consider doing another Goblin arc so soon after the first trilogy. I think they could tackle the Death of Captain Stacy, but if Gwen is introduced I won't expect her to be falling off any bridges.

 

[Project862006]

http://chud.com/articles/articles/2...REBOOT-BE-IN-THE-MARVEL-MOVIEVERSE/Page1.html

Love Rectangle that is what i wanted LOL

 

[Artistsean]

I am reading Amazing Spider-Man by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. They just introduce Gwen Stacey.
Even though she acts like she doesn't like him, I have a good feeling about these two. And see nothing but good things in their future.

 

[Dragon]

So, just because it might get spoiled, it shouldn't be filmed? Hey, another spoiler, Norman Osborn turns into the Green Goblin. So, since everyone already knows that, let's just ignore that story arc. Also, everyone knows that Uncle Ben dies, so how about we let him live for a change?

Except you seem to be missing the obvious difference. Norman's transformation and Ben's death are the BEGINNINGS of the stories. Gwen's death is the end. But thanks for playing.

 

[Robin91939]

I want the Mary Jane story to be the focal point of the new franchise.

Let me explain:

Movie one:
- Doc Ock as the villain.
- Gwen, Harry, Norman and Captain Stacey introduced.
- Peter is in love with Gwen.
- Captain Stacey is killed by Ock. Gwen blames Spidey.
-Connors introduced
- MJ is teased through film and introduced at film's end: "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot".

Movie Two:
-Peter and Gwen are together
-Norman becomes Green Goblin.
-Strife between Peter and Harry
-Eddie Brock introduced.
-Confrontation on the bridge.
-Goblin kills Gwen Stacey.
-Goblin dies.
-Spider-man thinks of quitting in a deep depression.

Movie Three.
-Mary Jane is there for Peter and becomes a great friend.
-Black Suit introduced.
-Lizard as villain, and Kraven.
-Peter and MJ begin to date.
-Third film ends with MJ and Peter together.

I have three more films mapped out as well.


But there should be a build up to both Gwen's death as well as the rise of the Goblin and the introduction and romance with Mary-Jane Watson. It should be about a girl, but not "all about A girl". It should be about the TWO women of Peter's life and what they taught him about life.

Spider-man: Blue would be a good jump off.

-R

 

[Rodrigo90]

Heres a scene from a script Im doing.

Liz Allen - "Peter...you know my friend my Gwen Stacy right?"

"Should I?"

"C'mon,I know you have a major crush on her, but youre too chicken to ask her out,Harry told me and Ive her told her"

"Well Harry has got it completely wrong,no I dont and you can tell her that as well..."

"Well,thats too bad. What with prom coming up and you without a date....Not too mention the fact she likes you too. But you still have your Aunt May to accompany you I guess"

"Gwen likes me? SURRRRE! Get lost!"

"Ah! Knew it,look I'll give you her number...See you later"

"How do I know this isnt Flash Thompsons number?"

"Why would I have his? Just call it and see who answers. Besides,she asked me to give to you...I guess she cant resist the sweet charms of a nerd."

"Thanks,I think...but I swear to God, if this is Flash's number or..."

"She's expecting your call...oh and Pete.. Dont screw this up,otherwise me and Harry are going to write a movie about you called "The 80 Year Old Virgin".

 

[SamuraiSon6]

I want the Mary Jane story to be the focal point of the new franchise.

Let me explain:

Movie one:
- Doc Ock as the villain.
- Gwen, Harry, Norman and Captain Stacey introduced.
- Peter is in love with Gwen.
- Captain Stacey is killed by Ock. Gwen blames Spidey.
-Connors introduced
- MJ is teased through film and introduced at film's end: "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot".

Movie Two:
-Peter and Gwen are together
-Norman becomes Green Goblin.
-Strife between Peter and Harry
-Eddie Brock introduced.
-Confrontation on the bridge.
-Goblin kills Gwen Stacey.
-Goblin dies.
-Spider-man thinks of quitting in a deep depression.

Movie Three.
-Mary Jane is there for Peter and becomes a great friend.
-Black Suit introduced.
-Lizard as villain, and Kraven.
-Peter and MJ begin to date.
-Third film ends with MJ and Peter together.

I have three more films mapped out as well.


But there should be a build up to both Gwen's death as well as the rise of the Goblin and the introduction and romance with Mary-Jane Watson. It should be about a girl, but not "all about A girl". It should be about the TWO women of Peter's life and what they taught him about life.

Spider-man: Blue would be a good jump off.

-R

Robin, I don't want to sound disrespectful, but I highly doubt that would ever happen. I know you have some big differences in there, but generally, its far too similar to the three movies we we shown over the last decade. we may get some similar villains by the end of the "new" series, but up front i think they will have to separate themselves

 

[Abaddon]

^yes. We will not be seeing goblins anytime soon. Not any green ones anyhow.

 

[batman11]

For the longest time, I always thought a cool dilemma would be if Peter and Gwen were eventually an item, but he always had this connection with MJ (become good friends, spend time together "get" each other, etc.) and then as things are getting complicated for Peter, he is faced with the Goblin bridge situation, but twisted: MJ in one hand, Gwen in the other. But, as we know, a very similar scenario was used in SM1, so it would be way to much a retread.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

That makes the scene even more personal though and hopefully by the time we got around to Goblin it'd be the third in a trilogy of films, so it'd be distanced enough from Raimi's first Spider-Man film.

 

[batman11]

That makes the scene even more personal though and hopefully by the time we got around to Goblin it'd be the third in a trilogy of films, so it'd be distanced enough from Raimi's first Spider-Man film.

Oh yeah, definitely. Depending on the use of the villains, it would most likely be in the third (slight possibility of the second...could still be too soon). I just think it would make for a heartbreaking scene, because we know Peter is fu****. If the characters were developed strongly enough, we would be struggling with the choice alongside Peter. As an audience, which character would we rather see him with? Who do we like more for Peter at this point? Will we be mad at Peter for the choice he makes? Makes it more personal for the audience. And imagine the guilt of choosing to jump for one over the other, with that choice resulting in the death of someone close...could be deep stuff. That said, the bridge complex is still incredibly tragic without adding MJ into the mix, but it's just an idea I've always had that would, IMO, make it that much more heavy on the heart of both Peter and the viewer.

 

[spiderman2012]

sounds good

 

[Robin91939]

If we won't be seeing any Goblins, or at least any green ones, it's kind of pointless to have this thread.

There is no reason to kill Gwen if not to have the Green Goblin do it. If we gave that honor to another villain, it wouldn't be right.

The new series is going to built, I think, as more than just one trilogy. I'm thinking three films in high school and three in college.

If we are going to get Gwen as a supporting character in a large capacity, the only way to move from her as the only love interest to Mary Jane as the only love interest is to kill Gwen.

Also, if we are going to have Harry Osborn in the series....which is a must because he is Peter's best friend, there has to be Norman and there has to be at least ONE Goblin with hints at the Goblin legacy. This was messed up in Spider-man 3, they REALLY dropped the ball on a great set up of this legacy, no reason why this new series cannot rectify this.

We will probably get new villains. Lizard, Electro, and Vulture come to mind as sure fire possibilities. But- just like you cannot retell the Batman story without reusing villains like Joker and Two-face you cannot retell Spider-man's story without using Ock or the Green Goblin.

I sincerely hope that they do not let the previous franchise or the time that has elapsed between franchises hinder them creatively. They are using this reboot as a way to get themselves out of writing themselves into several corners in the previous franchise (introducing Gwen too late, killing Eddie Brock too early, and several others) it would be dumb to let the reboot itself be a corner to have to get out of.

They should have free reign on the story and characters and just make the best films possible. If they do that, it doesn't matter if these are villains we've seen before. If they are presented in a new way, with different dramatic weight behind them--it will work.

-R

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Agreed. Well said.

 

[grand-I-am]

If I hear another mention of Gwen Stacy i'm going to lose my mind.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well don't come into the Spidey threads.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy.

What have you got against Gwen Stacy? We are just talking about Gwen Stacy? You know...the legendary Gwen Stacy? Iconic Gwen Stacy? Gwen Stacy from the great Spider-Man books? Died in the great stunning arc Night Gwen Stacy Died? Yeah, that Gwen Stacy. So what you got against Gwen Stacy?

 

[TheSlag]

*whispers Gwen Stacy*... *watches grand-I-Am IMPLODE t:

Ummm.. think you're in the wrong thread then my friend.

To me, it's not that we will be seeing the GG until probably the 3rd movie of the reboot. We need time to establish Gwen first, and develop her as Peter's main love interest.

And there is several storylines they could use that revolve around Gwen, that would help to establish the impact of Gwen's death arc. Such as, establishing her father, and her father's and Peter's relationship.

And DEFINITELY the story arc of Capt Stacy's death, with Gwen blaming Spider-Man for his death.

So, no GG1 til probably the 3rd movie, but we Definitely need to start establishing Norman Osborn from the beginning.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Gwen Stacey, Peter's first true love. The Death of Gwen Stacey is like, the best ever Spider-Man story.

Oh no wait, the best Spidey stories involve the symbiotes right?

 

[TheSlag]

Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy.

What have you got against Gwen Stacy? We are just talking about Gwen Stacy? You know...the legendary Gwen Stacy? Iconic Gwen Stacy? Gwen Stacy from the great Spider-Man books? Died in the great stunning arc Night Gwen Stacy Died? Yeah, that Gwen Stacy. So what you got against Gwen Stacy?

LOL t:

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Yes, definitely have to off Pops before Gwen. They should even have her leave at the end of the film, before the filming that would be about her death. Sure comic fans would be smacked across the face of what's coming, but I'd love to see it happen.