The Hip Hop/Rap Thread - Part 1

[craigdbfan]

You mean to tell me that you don't want more songs produced by DJ Mustard?

 

[MadVillainy]

As Ive said I like DJ Mustard. I like a lot of songs he produced. To name a few:
RIP by Jeezy
You and Your Friends by Wiz
Don't Tell Em by Jeremih
Headband by BoB
and he did a lot of good production on YG's album. The album itself was bad but there are a couple of really good songs on there like My N***a, Meet the Flockers, and I Just Wanna Party and it's the clearest of Mustard carrying his sounds at least a little.

That being said, it is getting to be too much, because it's not even just radio songs. Every album or project now by a mainstream artists has a DJ Mustard song or a knock off.
Jamie Foxx just released a new song and it's produced by DJ Mustard.

As I said I like him, but if he's not careful he's gonna over-saturate himself really fast.

 

[craigdbfan]

He's the next Mike Will Made It in the sense that everybody was using him and now while he's still doing well isn't anywhere near the point he was in the beginning.

I'll be honest Blackman and say that there are quite a bit of DJ Mustard songs that I really do enjoy. He just makes incredibly catchy beats. They're hard not to like in fact. Biggest complaint from people is the fact that they all more or less sound the same but I don't really mind that.

You're right in that this oversaturation may come back and bite him in the ass a bit though. Rap/Hip Hop can be a cruel mistress for producers. What's hot/popular can last maybe 6 months to a year and then you sink into obscurity.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

fall seems to be shaping up to be awful for 'mainstream' hip-hop. More challenging material needs to come out.

Good Kid, M.A.A.D City came out in the fall.

 

[MadVillainy]

He's the next Mike Will Made It in the sense that everybody was using him and now while he's still doing well isn't anywhere near the point he was in the beginning.

I'll be honest Blackman and say that there are quite a bit of DJ Mustard songs that I really do enjoy. He just makes incredibly catchy beats. They're hard not to like in fact. Biggest complaint from people is the fact that they all more or less sound the same but I don't really mind that.

You're right in that this oversaturation may come back and bite him in the ass a bit though. Rap/Hip Hop can be a cruel mistress for producers. What's hot/popular can last maybe 6 months to a year and then you sink into obscurity.

Funny because I was thinking, literally, yesterday that Mustard pretty much "snatched the mic" from Mike Will Made It when it comes to the premiere hip hop producer. Mike Will's problem was that I think he attached himself too much to Miley Cyrus which was a gift and a curse and his music usually sounds more aggressive or at least I can hear someone saying that with the heavy drums. Typical southern boom beats. Mustard has really fun loving, catchy beats.

THe other funny thing is, I have never seen a producer be as big as DJ Mustard in a long time (at least a producer who just produces. There is the Kanye, Pharrell, Dre, etc. who produces and raps/sings/whatever).
Ive been listening to hip hop seriously for a little over a decade and of course there are big name producers and times where a producer had multiple hits on the radio. But I dont remember many producers having their style copied like what's happening with DJ Mustard, not even Dr. Dre. I have also never seen a producer be able to sell out shows on his own without also rapping or singing...although Im sure Dr. Dre could do that if he wanted to. Correct me if Im wrong.

Good Kid, M.A.A.D City came out in the fall.

THat was 2 years ago though. He's talking about now.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

hehe I know. I'm just saying.

 

[Flint Marko]

He's the next Mike Will Made It in the sense that everybody was using him and now while he's still doing well isn't anywhere near the point he was in the beginning.

I'll be honest Blackman and say that there are quite a bit of DJ Mustard songs that I really do enjoy. He just makes incredibly catchy beats. They're hard not to like in fact. Biggest complaint from people is the fact that they all more or less sound the same but I don't really mind that.

You're right in that this oversaturation may come back and bite him in the ass a bit though. Rap/Hip Hop can be a cruel mistress for producers. What's hot/popular can last maybe 6 months to a year and then you sink into obscurity.

I like DJ Mustard. R.I.P is undeniably one of the catchiest rap songs to come out in the past few years, it's obviously not lyrically interesting but it's a fun song.

 

[MadVillainy]

New Kendrick single just dropped. Called "i" short for "i Love Myself"

Not a fan at all but still looking forward to his next album

 

[king666]

New Milo album, a toothpaste suburb:
http://hellfyreclub.bandcamp.com/album/a-toothpaste-suburb
Some pretty cool beats.

 

[CrypticOne]

New Kendrick single just dropped. Called "i" short for "i Love Myself"

Not a fan at all but still looking forward to his next album

Yeah, not really feeling this.

 

[MadVillainy]

we were talking about whether J Cole gets his props a while back. J Cole or Kendrick Lamar is trending in the US on Twitter.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I like Kendrick's new song.I don't love it,but I like it.

 

[CrypticOne]

we were talking about whether J Cole gets his props a while back. J Cole or Kendrick Lamar is trending in the US on Twitter.

Yeah, I don't believe Cole or Krit get enough props. I mean, these dudes are true, complete artists. Not just sick on the mic, but producing great beats.

 

[Slick]

yeah Kendrick's new track is ok.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Maybe a few more listens and I'll like "I".

He did so much better on Never Catch Me with FlyLo. So, so, so much better.

 

[GoodYoung]

That Kendrick new song...is ok. I've expected better from him though. Anyway, I'm still hyped for his album. Especially, if it have some Dre production.

 

[TMC1982]

I know that this is kind of an old list (from at least a year and a half back), but I'm still curious if anybody else has seen this list, let alone agree w/ the choices of the "biggest fall offs" in hip-hop history:

30. Charles Hamilton

29. Jungle Brothers

28. Kool Keith

27. Canibus

26. The Pharcyde

25. Boot Camp Click

24. Onyx

23. Shyne

22. House of Pain

21. Young Buck

20. Lil' Kim

19. Black Sheep

18. Foxy Brown

17. EPMD

16. Slick Rick

15. Vanilla Ice

14. Cypress Hill

13. KRS-One

12. Raekown

11. A Tribe Called Quest

10. Eazy-E

9. LL Cool J

8. Big Daddy Kane

7. Ice Cube

6. DMX

5. No Limit

4. Nelly

3. Death Row

2. Ja Rule

1. MC Hammer

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Well, I mean, there's a reason Eazy-E kind of fell off.

 

[craigdbfan]

Charles Hamilton had a ton of potential. A Tribe Called Quest and The Pharcyde shouldn't really be on that list. They never "left" but rather kept things more or less the same and refused to keep up with the more modern trends and I applaud them for that.

For example I would never say Elzhi and Little Brother "fell off" because the quality of what they did outweighs and beats artist who make a million songs yet are mainly forgettable. I apply the same to ATCQ and The Pharcyde who created timeless. Yes, timeless music.

 

[craigdbfan]

You know who really fell off the map? Bishop Lamont. Remember him?

Dr. Dre left him out to dry but honestly a lot these guys depend too much on bigger producers and artist to put them on the map and should rely and trust their own talent a bit more.

 

[GoodYoung]

You know who really fell off the map? Bishop Lamont. Remember him?

Dr. Dre left him out to dry but honestly a lot these guys depend too much on bigger producers and artist to put them on the map and should rely and trust their own talent a bit more.

Bishop never really had a big career.

 

[craigdbfan]

I guess it's better to say that his career just never took off. Charles Hamilton was on that same boat yet he's mentioned on that list. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the list is kind of all over the place or using the whole concept very loosely.

 

[KenK]

DOOM has a new album coming out with somebody named Bishop Nehru (never heard of him).

If this track is any indication, the album will be hot!

https://soundcloud.com/lexrecords/caskets-nehruviandoom/s-V7K40

 

[CrypticOne]

Yeah, been waiting this that album to drop. Nehru is pretty dope for being so young.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah, I don't believe Cole or Krit get enough props. I mean, these dudes are true, complete artists. Not just sick on the mic, but producing great beats.

I think Cole is fine. But yeah KRIT is under appreciated. He doesnt have any main stream hits to get him attention

I know that this is kind of an old list (from at least a year and a half back), but I'm still curious if anybody else has seen this list, let alone agree w/ the choices of the "biggest fall offs" in hip-hop history:

30. Charles Hamilton

29. Jungle Brothers

28. Kool Keith

27. Canibus

26. The Pharcyde

25. Boot Camp Click

24. Onyx

23. Shyne

22. House of Pain

21. Young Buck

20. Lil' Kim

19. Black Sheep

18. Foxy Brown

17. EPMD

16. Slick Rick

15. Vanilla Ice

14. Cypress Hill

13. KRS-One

12. Raekown

11. A Tribe Called Quest

10. Eazy-E

9. LL Cool J

8. Big Daddy Kane

7. Ice Cube

6. DMX

5. No Limit

4. Nelly

3. Death Row

2. Ja Rule

1. MC Hammer

A lot of these were drug or jail.
-Nelly got pushed out by the likes of Flo Rida and Pitbull. Nelly was the forefront of "hip pop" and I still like Nelly's music for what it was/is.

-Ice Cube likes the movie checks which is smart. The type of music Ice Cube tends to make is not something that's gonna make him a lot of money.
Although his song Drop Girl did seem like a play to get more mainstream

-At least G-Unit is back so Buck can kind of get back out there. I don't know how long the reunion will last, but for now theyre good

Charles Hamilton had a ton of potential. .

I always thought Charles Hamilton was corny and was trying to hard to be different, even if that's who he really is it just came off as lame to me.
Kinda like how Im starting to feel about Childish Gambino now.
Like someone who thinks theyre better smarter and more unique than they are. Or pretentious.

You know who really fell off the map? Bishop Lamont. Remember him?

Dr. Dre left him out to dry but honestly a lot these guys depend too much on bigger producers and artist to put them on the map and should rely and trust their own talent a bit more.

I remember Bishop Lamont because of his mixtape called "N***er Noize" Never ehard a track by him but yeah he fell to the wayside. That happened to most artists who made their debut, or at least tried to, on Aftermath save for Eminem, 50 Cent, and The Game. And 50 and Game are nowhere near as popular as they used to be.