The Horror Thread - Part 2

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Trick R Treat will be my devil's night film for sure.

 

[redhawk23]

The shorts are nice but how about we not drive it into the damn ground like every other "icon" ?

 

[redhawk23]

[YT]xBZ4IYh6AMs[/YT] Here is the original short in which Trick R Treat's Sam originated. Michael Dougherty made this sometime around 1996 while attending NYU.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

The shorts are nice but how about we not drive it into the damn ground like every other "icon" ?

Who said anything about driving it into the ground? Testy, testy. Anthologies are perfect vehicle for Sam because if they play it right, he can remain a background character pulling the strings. If they can write clever stories I don't see how a few more films can't be made.

 

[redhawk23]

I just really don't see it being done anywhere near as well, even with the same people involved. I'd rather just see more films made with the same care and intent as Trick r Treat, and anthologies in general, than more Trick R Treat itself.

Also its just kind of hilarious to see people clamor for sequels when everyone spends their time b***ing about sequels and a lack of originality. Whenever we do get a fresh IP it just gets looked at as more sequel fodder.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

I just really don't see it being done anywhere near as well, even with the same people involved. I'd rather just see more films made with the same care and intent as Trick r Treat, and anthologies in general, than more Trick R Treat itself.

Also its just kind of hilarious to see people clamor for sequels when everyone spends their time b***ing about sequels and a lack of originality. Whenever we do get a fresh IP it just gets looked at as more sequel fodder.

Just because you don't see it being done near as well, doesn't mean they can't pull it off.

And I personally, was never on the sequel hating/lack of originality bandwagon. I don't think everything needs a sequel, but if a sequel can logically be made from the original than I'm all for it. Trick R' Treat is more open than most because it doesn't have to have anything tethering it to the first film aside from Sam.

 

[redhawk23]

Just because you think they can doesn't mean its a good idea either.

It just seems like a bad idea to latch onto Sam as the focus. While he is cool there is so much about the film that would be difficult or pointless to reproduce in a sequel. While it is an anthology it is done through a very crafty Pulp Fiction style chronology. Plus so much of it was done to evoke a very specific mood and reflect upon a set of traditions.


Furthermore, Dougherty himself doesn't seem overly enthused about it. Pretty much anytime he's asked about it he deflects and says he's still just enjoying the ride of the growth of the first film and reflecting on the experience. He basically said what he wanted to say about the Halloween season with the film.

 

[Tanin]

Watching 1408 Now. I'm glad the copy I have has the theatrical cut on it as I dislike the director's cut ending.

 

[redhawk23]

I wasn't aware there were multiple endings to that. That movies fun from time to time.

 

[BH/HHH]

That worked with Chucky. We might see another one of those films before the other horror icons that are now dormant because of underperforming remakes.

Well as far as the icons are concerned there remakes didn't underperform at all they were very profitable.

Friday the 13th (2009)
Production budget: $17-19 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $92 mil

A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)
Production budget: $35 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $118 mil

Halloween (2007)
Production budget: $15 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $80 mil

Halloween 2 (2009)
Production budget: $15 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $39 mil

Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)
Production budget: $9 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $107 mil

Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning (2006)
Production budget: $16 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $50 mil

Texas Chainsaw 3D (2013)
Production budget: $20 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $39 mil

Infact it was Zombie's H2 and Texas Chainsaw 3D both if them sequels that under performed at the box office not the remakes/reboots. But even they turned a profit. I think what damaged H2 was bad reviews and maybe people put off by the first film. Not to mention it was released against the Final Destination. Just for the record I think H2 sucks so this isn't me sticking up for it.

The reasons sequels to F13th and ANOES were held up were simply because of Warner Bros putting their eggs into other baskets. They want the major hitters that are gonna get closer to a billion. It just shows that they allowed the Friday rights to revert back to Paramount and Paramount are rushing it into Production evidently.

 

[Teelie]

The Director's Cut alternate ending:

Spoiler

The Director's Cut contains a more tragic ending. Mike Enslin sets fire to 1408 but is not rescued by the fire department. Instead, the last we see of him is when he's lying on his back in the burning room and we hear the words of his daughter "everybody dies". The camera zooms in on the numbers on the outside door, just as they melt from the heat. The next scene is at Mike's funeral where his coffin is lowered into the ground right next to his daughter's; just as the visions 1408 prophesied. Lily is there, being consoled by Mike's agent. As the procession ends, Lily walks to her car and is met by Gerald Olin who is carrying a box. Gerald introduces himself and gives his condolences. He says the box contains some of Mike's belongings still left in the room. He offers it to Lily while also trying to explain, with a sense of hope, that Mike's death of was not in vain and that because of his actions no one else will *ever be able to stay in room 1408. Lily, in too much grief to listen, cuts him off and refuses to accept the box. Gerald returns to his car and opens the box, which contains the nightgown that was sent through the fax machine as well and the burned tape recorder. Gerald plays it and hears the same dialog between Mike and his daughter heard at the end of the theatrical release. As he listens, he sees a young girl in his rear-view mirror waving in his direction. He turns around to look at her and catches a brief vision of Mike Enslin in his back seat, hideously burned. Gerald jumps but the vision quickly disappears. He looks back at the girl who has found her dad that was looking for her. Gerald catches his breath, starting his car and driving off. The final scene goes back to room 1408. We see a specter Mike Enslin staring out the window. The last shot is of him finishing his cigarette and walking towards the door just as he vanishes.

 

[BH/HHH]

On Trick 'r Treat, has anyone ever seen the Tales From the Darkside episode titled Halloween Candy directed by Tom Savini?

http://youtu.be/BafU9NgCXEg

The Sam portion of the film is pretty much this bar a few things.

 

[redhawk23]

According to the interview with Trick R Treat writer director Michael Dougherty that I'm listening to right now, there was a point in time in which Stan Winston was involved and was pitching it as a multi director anthology. Winston apparently tried to rope in George Romero and John Carpenter along with intending to direct a section himself. That sounds pretty nuts.

A pretty good listen as he describes his early career and the making of the film.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-filmca...est-mike-dougherty-director-of-trick-r-treat/

 

[bullets]

Well as far as the icons are concerned there remakes didn't underperform at all they were very profitable.

Friday the 13th (2009)
Production budget: $17-19 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $92 mil

A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)
Production budget: $35 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $118 mil

Halloween (2007)
Production budget: $15 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $80 mil

Halloween 2 (2009)
Production budget: $15 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $39 mil

Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)
Production budget: $9 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $107 mil

Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning (2006)
Production budget: $16 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $50 mil

Texas Chainsaw 3D (2013)
Production budget: $20 mil
Worldwide Box Office: $39 mil

Infact it was Zombie's H2 and Texas Chainsaw 3D both if them sequels that under performed at the box office not the remakes/reboots. But even they turned a profit. I think what damaged H2 was bad reviews and maybe people put off by the first film. Not to mention it was released against the Final Destination. Just for the record I think H2 sucks so this isn't me sticking up for it.

The reasons sequels to F13th and ANOES were held up were simply because of Warner Bros putting their eggs into other baskets. They want the major hitters that are gonna get closer to a billion. It just shows that they allowed the Friday rights to revert back to Paramount and Paramount are rushing it into Production evidently.

I'm frustrated that Nightmare on Elm street remake did well enough and there was no follow up. I think if that series went on the sequels would of been fun. I do like Halloween 2. It's so distant from the actual series , but Zombie has an interesting take. I'd like someone to bring Michael back to his roots and not be trying to compete with a Friday the 13 th film. Texas Chainsaw 3D had the right idea . It was awful though , I can't stand it. At least Jason's coming back and Final Destination 5 was decent.

 

[redhawk23]

According to Rooney Mara, who was nominated for an Oscar just a few years later, almost quit acting after hating her role in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

 

[bullets]

Do you guys think we'll ever get anymore versus films?

You'd have to have two horror icons that are successful simultaneously for it to make sense. FREDDY VS JASON was late ,but they were trying for years. I think with this new I,Frankenstein well get something resembling the Underworld series. There's really no two villains I think that could be put together right now. We are getting Superman vs Batman

 

[Heretic]

According to Rooney Mara, who was nominated for an Oscar just a few years later, almost quit acting after hating her role in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

Screw that chick. She isn't even the best actress in her immediate family. She has repeatedly trashed the ANOES remake, and while it is not a great film, it gave her a huge break and helped turn her from a nobody into a major star. Then, as soon as she gets "above" that, she starts trashing it.

 

[bullets]

According to Rooney Mara, who was nominated for an Oscar just a few years later, almost quit acting after hating her role in the Nightmare on Elm Street remake.

She is very ungrateful. A lot of really good actors got their start in a horror film. They aren't proud of it , but you barely hear them bash the film. It's not like they tortured her on set.

 

[redhawk23]

Its not like you hear McConaughey praising his Texas Chainsaw film...

 

[redhawk23]

She is very ungrateful. A lot of really good actors got their start in a horror film. They aren't proud of it , but you barely hear them bash the film. It's not like they tortured her on set.

Yeah, that's Fincher's job.

All that said, the Nightmare remake is such a waste.

 

[Teelie]

That's true. I don't ever remember Jennifer Aniston talking trash on Leprechaun.

 

[StarLord]

It's not like Mara was the first to diss her appearance in a horror movie. Jeez.

 

[Teelie]

Not like she's the first to complain, period, about their breakout role but it doesn't make it any less grating to hear about it time and again.

 

[bullets]

Most of them don't really talk about it. I just think it's in poor taste to bash a film you worked on. Not everything comes together the way you want ,but it's a slap in the face to other people who worked on the film.

 

[redhawk23]

Its like she's ripping a good movie or something. And it was more a comment about her career in general at the time. I mean as much as she probably didn't like working on the Elm Street remake, her film preceeding that was a Michael Cera vehicle...