The Horror Thread - Part 3

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Just out of curiosity have you ever heard of the previous scripts for FvsJ? Like the ones here they try to make Jason the good guy, saving people and driving a Camero?
 
KevanG said:
Just out of curiosity have you ever heard of the previous scripts for FvsJ? Like the ones here they try to make Jason the good guy, saving people and driving a Camero?
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That sounds horrible. That's a straight LSD trip and a half.

Like holy hell. Who thought of that?

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KevanG said:
Just out of curiosity have you ever heard of the previous scripts for FvsJ? Like the ones here they try to make Jason the good guy, saving people and driving a Camero?
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Sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been cast as Jason then. :woot:
 
I would have loved to see one ending they wanted where after the two kill each other they keep fighting in Hell until Pinhead interrupts them with "Gentlemen is there a problem here?" They couldn't get the rights to use Pinhead though.

They went through so many scripts and rewrites that I'm surprised it ever got made. I'm very happy with what we got. It could have been much worse. They had one with a Freddy cult taking the place of the two of them for most of the movie or Jason used to be an Elm Street kid that got away from Freddy and in that one later on Satan shows up and the two team up to fight him.
 
Wasn't there a script that had Freddy and Jason in court for a trial?
 
KevanG said:
Just out of curiosity have you ever heard of the previous scripts for FvsJ? Like the ones here they try to make Jason the good guy, saving people and driving a Camero?
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KevanG said:
I would have loved to see one ending they wanted where after the two kill each other they keep fighting in Hell until Pinhead interrupts them with "Gentlemen is there a problem here?" They couldn't get the rights to use Pinhead though.

They went through so many scripts and rewrites that I'm surprised it ever got made. I'm very happy with what we got. It could have been much worse. They had one with a Freddy cult taking the place of the two of them for most of the movie or Jason used to be an Elm Street kid that got away from Freddy and in that one later on Satan shows up and the two team up to fight him.
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StarLord said:
Wasn't there a script that had Freddy and Jason in court for a trial?
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I remember hearing of these rumors and stories and even today I'm not sure which ones are true and which were just fanfiction and rumors.
 
I've read the Freddy cult script. It's awful. I remember another made Jason more the hero, where at the beginning Freddy is taking a janitor job at Crystal Lake and preys on child Jason, and is the actual cause of his drowning. At the end Jason talks and screams "Freddy's Dead" to kill him.

The best script was the sequel script with Ash from Evil Dead. That one was fantastic.
 
Teelie said:
I remember hearing of these rumors and stories and even today I'm not sure which ones are true and which were just fanfiction and rumors.
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A lot of them are true as I read the scripts online. Not sure if they had been vetoed by the studios but they were full scripts. It used to be a hobby of mine to read unused scripts for movies or scripts that were heavily modified from what we saw on screen.
 
Zantera said:
I would actually say Dream Warriors is my favorite NOES movie. The original and New Nightmare rounding out the top3.
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that would be mine. i like it more than the first movie. and i like Freddy's extremely dark sense of humor. it's what elevated him above some other 80s horror villains.
 
NOES6 is a guilty pleasure just because it's so bad. Overall I'd say Dream Warriors as well. It's just a nicely done movie all around.

Freddy was a nice switch from the silent Micheal Myers and Jason. You could consider him a much more threatening villain because he could get you when you were totally defenseless unlike the other two who you could run from and just drive off from.

I never found Chucky from Childs Play scary because I always figured that if you could kick them away then they weren't that much of a threat. Of course after watching the Critters movies later I adjusted my expectations. :p
 
Last year I did a movie marathon with my sister where we watched all the Elm Street movies (including the remake and Freddy vs Jason), and it was glorious. Before that I had only seen the original and the remake, so there were a lot of "new" movies to explore. I really do love the Elm Street franchise. Even in the crappier sequels, I still found myself enjoying it for the most part. Freddy is a great villain, and I even enjoyed the worst parts of the franchise as a whole. Freddy vs Jason was enjoyable, and I will agree to one extent that as a versus-movie, it did kinda work. Was it awesome? No. But I feel like both characters were given time, and for what it was trying to be, it wasn't all that bad.

Friday the 13th as a franchise never appealed to me though. I have only really seen minor parts of it. I remember seeing the remake, I've seen the one when he goes to space (Jason X?) and I remember pieces from other movies. Jason as a concept never appealed as much to me. Freddy is a really interesting villain, but a big guy chasing dumb teenagers in the forest and hacking them with a machete isn't nearly as exciting IMO. I might still do a marathon and watch through all of them eventually, because they are "cult" movies, and why not?

I would really love a new Elm Street. If it's a reboot or sequel to the remake, it doesn't matter that much, as long as they make something good. There's so much potential to make interesting dream sequences now (with special effects and technology), but if they do make a new one, I bet budget will be kept low (for profit lol) and they will try to squeeze out as much as possible from as little as possible.

I love the dark Freddy of New Nightmare and the original, but there is something unique and special with how he was handled in the sequels. I would say he is walking that fine line of being too over the top (and crosses it) in the 4th, 5th and 6th movie, but I think the third had a nice balance. To me, there was something creepy about Freddy as a character with the fact that he made fun of these kids and terrorized them, he was really enjoying "hunting" them. The fact that it was fun to him kinda made it more creepy in a sense.
 
KevanG said:
A lot of them are true as I read the scripts online. Not sure if they had been vetoed by the studios but they were full scripts. It used to be a hobby of mine to read unused scripts for movies or scripts that were heavily modified from what we saw on screen.
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I used to do that too but I ended up with a stack worth of them I never got to reading. There were (probably still are) hundreds of scripts I'd like to read that never got produced for one reason or another.
 
Zantera said:
I love the dark Freddy of New Nightmare and the original, but there is something unique and special with how he was handled in the sequels. I would say he is walking that fine line of being too over the top (and crosses it) in the 4th, 5th and 6th movie, but I think the third had a nice balance. To me, there was something creepy about Freddy as a character with the fact that he made fun of these kids and terrorized them, he was really enjoying "hunting" them. The fact that it was fun to him kinda made it more creepy in a sense.
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I never liked Jason or any others as much as Freddy because he really seems to enjoy his work. His whole method of attack is 'You can't hurt me, you can't stop me. The best you can do is slow me down or annoy me. Let's see what you can do to entertain me because after that you're toast.' With Jason and company it was just chase them down, get slowed down, chase some more, chop chop chop, repeat. There was no sense of anything more than that.
 
I liked Freddy too because he wasn't the epiphanous silent stalker who never spoke or gave any indication he was more than a force of evil. He was most definitely evil but he also gloated and loved to make a sport of it, making him more than just evil but vile. Something about a monster that speaks makes them that much worse.
 
Not to mention he messes with your head as you try to fight him. You try to dream of a peaceful place like the beach? He drags you through quicksand. You try to be a superhero and kill him? He becomes a supervillain and kills you. You almost beat him at his own game? He cheats and changes everything on you.
 
Another thing I love about Freddy is the different directions you could take with him. I love the more "funny" Freddy, but you could just as easily turn him into a more silent, dark and scary villain as well. There is something creepy about his silhouette and his choice of weapons (the finger knives), and you could easily make a tense and scary scene with a man in a hat, hidden in shadows, slowly walking after the victim in a dream, drawing his nails across the wall. You don't even need to "show" his face or appearance, that shadowy figure alone would be scary.

I didn't like the look of the new Freddy that much. I get what they were going for, a more "realistic" burn victim, but I very much prefer the old classic look. And again, I think you could portrait him as a darker villain where you don't necessarily have to show his face a lot.
 
That's another reason I like him more. He's an inventive killer. He's not just stab, stab, stab, he finds a way to turn even your own mind against you.
 
Have you guys seen Never Sleep Again? It's a documentary about the making of all the Elm Street movies. I highly recommend it. It's 4 hours long or something, each movie gets talked about, there's interviews, behind the scenes stuff and other things like that. It's really good.
 
I didn't see that but I did watch a horror movie documentary on Netflix. That was pretty good. It went all the way back to the beginning all through until today.
 
'Crystal Lake Memories' is an excellent documentary too. Seven hours long and packed with great interviews and info on each Friday movie.

It's well worth a watch.
 
Both of those documentaries are fantastic. They are so well done that I find myself interested in movies that I already knew were terrible.
 
FvJ is a huge guilty pleasure of mine, I really do like it a lot. It's got mistakes and stupid stuff, but those fight scenes are legendary. I felt the main story for why they come together to fight in the first place was really well done and each character got equal respect. It was the perfect film to end Englund's Freddy career with, IMO.

A seven hour F13 documentary? Damn.
 
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