The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Parts 1 & 2

[DarthSkywalker]

Sadly, it will not do much better. The word-of mouth will be hurting this movie and most are saying it's boring.

NO body appreciates great acting alone anymore, no action = BAD movie. *sigh*

I get that you are a fan, but you do realize you are all over the place right? A good film has a beginning, middle and end. It can't be just a prologue. It has its own story and resolution. A film can't be 2 hours of build up for another film.

If you cut out everything from the actual Hunger Games in the first two movies, people wouldn't have liked them either.

 

[flickchick85]

I thought everything was good about this except the part where it's SO incomplete as a narrative. And I don't just mean it ends on a cliffhanger. That was gonna be a given. But Catching Fire had a cliffhanger ending and it still felt like a whole movie. That had both build-up and some payoff. This one, not so much. That said, I'm not one of the book readers and I'm still very much looking forward to the finale, but I have to agree with those who feel like this book should not have been split in half.

 

[SuperJediHero]

But, character development I feel it's better to split into two to gave Katniss' character the more time to develop. Katniss (played by the amazingly talented Jennifer Lawrence) conveyed every emotion possible in this franchise, she played the character to PERFECTION! Then there are more exploration of philosophy and psychology in this, right? Actors all had more time to talk instead of rushing thru dialogs. I personally like this actually, I don't understand the people rather prefer a rushed acting/dialog version so it's one complete movie at once. It will be COMPLETE, eventually, but just split.

I suspect that many people complaining just dislike more characters talking, regardless it's good acting or not.

But personally I LOVE this aspect, more characters talking is wonderful thing for me, if these actors are actually talented, which they totally are.



At once, is not an issue for me. Lord knows we had to wait for a long time for Game of Thrones, but does that make GOT a bad TV show if you had to wait a year for the story to continue? HELL NO!

But if anything, the only thing I don't totally get is WHY we have to wait until Nov 2015 and not April, May or August? I don't know if they are trying to have it win some Oscars, huh? To me, there is no reason that it couldn't be released earlier than next Nov.

 

[psylockolussus]

So I read the Wikipedia plot of the book, and it looks Part 1 just covered 20% of the third book? Is that right for those who read the book?

 

[SuperJediHero]

Maybe part 2 will be much more CGI like Star Wars that usually takes a year to do the post-production. If that's the case, then I can understand it's Nov instead of earlier. However, this type of movie isn't Star Wars, and shouldn't require this long of post-production though.



I don't know how much is covered in part 1, but I do believe part 2 will be a lot more Epic.

Spoiler

Katniss and the gang will be storming the capitol to kill Snow!

for one example is the action that people are waiting for.

 

[MadVillainy]

So I read the Wikipedia plot of the book, and it looks Part 1 just covered 20% of the third book? Is that right for those who read the book?

Haven't read the book in a few years, but I'd say more than that. The thing is that not much happens in the book

But as I said haven't read the book in a bit

EDIT: Reading the wikipedia article of the book, they do leave a fair bit out. The visits to the districts, etc. But that large chunk of the summary, mainly those last 6 paragraphs, can be covered in like an hour.

 

[BlackFox]

Off to see this later, interesting to see what its like, not a great deal of positive vibes about it, pretty mixed in fact. First one was good and second I enjoyed more without being a massive fan and relative late comer to the series. Shall see soon enough I guess if it suffers "Hobbit syndrom".

 

[Persona]

So far people that didn't like this but you like the Lord Of The Rings and Harry Potter flicks ( particularly Deathly Hallows part 1) what makes you over look the filler in those movies and dislike this? And those movies barely have action in them. I am genuinely curious because those movies finales also have been drawn out or broken into two parts and nothing has been said about it. But with this it gets a ton a criticism for it. It's like people aren't even fans of the franchise are going out and seeing this for some reason.

as someone pointed out already, each LotR book/film has its own complete narrative while serving part of the larger story. the first half of Mockingjay is not even close to a complete narrative. and "barely" any action? i have no idea what you are talking about there as relates to LotR or even the Hobbit movies. maybe you're referring more to Deathly Hallows, Part 1...i'm not a fan of that split, either, but at least there's some substantial enough events in the first half of that book that the split made some sense, at least. with Mockingjay it really is all just building up to its conclusion, so it really feels wrong-headed and completely business-motivated to split that into two separate movies. i will agree that the Hobbit would have been better off as one or two films, but at least they stuff the movies full of backstory and adventure and different characters and locations and so forth to keep you preoccupied (but, yes, much too bloated).

no one mentions the Breaking Dawn split cuz no one cares, Twilight is garbage, but did you guys see that first part? my gosh, so bad, so boring. it was like watching a wedding video for people you don't know. at least Mockingjay will have much better acting and atmosphere and ultimately a point. i just wish it hadn't succumbed to this cash-grab split trend cuz the book doesn't accommodate that at all.

 

[Lencho01]

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[MrMaooz]

This had a significant decline from the previous HG film OW at 125 million.

 

[MadVillainy]

Funny how that's considered underperforming when it comes to this franchise but it's still a great opening

 

[Drizzle]

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One of the highlights of the movie.

 

[kedrell]

This had a significant decline from the previous HG film OW at 125 million.

BOM reports $123m. That's a 22%($35m) OW drop from CF. That's huge, comparatively. Especially considering how relatively well received the last film was. With this kind of opening, the all but assured lock of #1 DOM this film once had for the year is gone. It doesn't even have a likelihood of winning at all anymore. The odds are now actually against that happening, though not supremely so. It has maybe a 40% shot at the title now. If it manages the exact same WOM and legs from the last film(which now we can pretty clearly say that it won't) then it would end up with $330m. I'd say this film drops off at least 25% from CF's DOM total. That's a plunge of over $100m, putting it in such distinguished company as TF4, Star Wars: Attack of the Clones, PotC: At World's End and Matrix: Revolutions for highest drop offs between episodes. Audiences are telling the studio something here. Is the studio listening?

 

[rashad]

The foreign numbers are ahead of CF however.

 

[kedrell]

But the China trouble will likely counteract that.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Since CF was really well received, I'm guessing that splitting Mockingjay in 2 is hurting the box office. This should have opened at least as big as CF.

 

[kedrell]

I'm going to guess that this ends WW around $750m.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Funny how that's considered underperforming when it comes to this franchise but it's still a great opening

Considering it came off Catching Fire, which killed at the box office, with the critics and with the public, this fall is quite something.

 

[kedrell]

Certainly in the top 5 drop offs in history in terms of sheer numbers of $. Percentage-wise it could be different. I think Attack of the Clones holds the record right now with a $129m drop from Phantom Menace. Nope, it's Matrix Revolutions with $142m down from Reloaded. Yikes!

 

[BeserkerHilf]

So, did anyone pick up on the uncanny resemblance District 13 had to the prison in Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[John Locke]

Yes. I was wondering if they used the same set.

 

[jmc]

Considering it came off Catching Fire, which killed at the box office, with the critics and with the public, this fall is quite something.

It's very telling. It's easy to say the studio won't care because they've got another film coming out but the truth is is came up some $30m short of the last two films. They would have been banking on this (and the next film) matching the last two films. You can't really spin that any other way than a good chunk of people did what many of us here have already said they'd do and skip this until next year.

 

[Donut]

This one will probably make good money digital & home video at the very least

 

[kedrell]

Well from a pure profit POV their choice makes absolute sense. This'll still make 3/4 of a billion $ giving them around a 1/2 billion in profit and the last one'll make roughly around what it would have made if they hadn't split the book. They're not going to turn down an extra $500m in guaranteed profit that's just sitting there for the taking. They probably realized the box office would probably dip with this movie but since there's nothing left after MJ2 it's not like they need to worry about the long term viability of this franchise like say,..oh an ever ongoing superhero franchise has to worry about. Lionsgate doesn't really have to care about any brand tarnishing in the public's eye of The Hunger Games name.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's very telling. It's easy to say the studio won't care because they've got another film coming out but the truth is is came up some $30m short of the last two films. They would have been banking on this (and the next film) matching the last two films. You can't really spin that any other way than a good chunk of people did what many of us here have already said they'd do and skip this until next year.

Well it is not hard to spin. This film is gonna make them a lot of money, same with the next one. And basically they did it for a cut rate price.