The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Parts 1 & 2

Just like the last 2 films and all 3 books...

The books are both social satire and dystopian sci-fi action works. All three follow a similar model and there is a symmetry there. Most of the stories are spent on the world-building, the characters, establishing the stakes and political workings, steadily cranking up the tension...and then the end of each book has the action climax that provides the visceral catharsis for the build-up in each book.

There is a progression there, too, in the climaxes, with the first Hunger Games getting its script flipped and rules deconstructed by the Quarter Quell in Catching Fire and then that taken to a whole other level by the action climax in Mockingjay, which isn't a game at all...or is it? This progression directly connects the sci-fi action arena element to the social satire, or I should say broadens it into that realm, and suddenly you realize that you're watching films about all our wars and about what happens when systems of control create counter-systems and the collateral damage involved, not to mention the question of whether we're ever really free of that control.

Splitting Mockingjay into two movies doesn't necessarily undo that progression, but it does undermine the structural elegance with which that progression is conveyed in the book trilogy. It also creates two separate chapters of the third part of the triptych, each lacking necessary elements to their arcs and stories. Part I has all the building without the pay-off. Part 2 will be the pay-off without the building. Both the first movie and Catching Fire contained both of these elements and so they felt like whole documents despite only giving us one panel apiece of the triptych. the Mockingjay is a document divided, even moreso than the final Harry Potter or Hobbit movies as those flicks contain multiple thematic and dramatic arcs and many action beats. the arc in Hunger Games is more singular and the great majority of the action all comes at the end.

i do look forward to seeing Part 1, i just don't know if i can justify the movie ticket expense. catch it on video, watch Part 2 in the theater, that's my plan like many others here. i really loved what Lawrence & Lawrence did with Catching Fire, so i'm sure whenever i do see Part 1 i will find it a very well done movie. i'll even probably consider it a good film. just one that's fundamentally incomplete and unsatisfying from a storytelling perspective, and lacking the action from a narrative construct where the action element is absolutely crucial.
 
Did anyone enjoy all of the books?

I actually despised Catching Fire and Mockingjay, which is why I was surprised I like the second film.

I actually thought Catching Fire was the best book. It's where everything starts happening. Hunger Games was a great stand alone, but it set up Catching Fire really well. It felt like things were moving in a direction, it was quite intriguing. Mockingjay though felt like very, very extensive character exploration without as much development of real world events, maybe just me though.
 
is it true that this is more of a political film than an action film?

It is IMO neither an action movie or political movie, but Katniss' emotions movie. Every other minute is basically Jennifer Lawrence showing a lot of emotions as Katniss!

The reason I say this is because I remember too many political movies that you maybe thinking of with lesser actors so they are boring to watch (very bland), but NOT this because it's Jennifer Lawrence acting with the BEST emotion there ever is!

If you are JLaw fans, there is NO way you will be disappointed here.
 
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Kinda off topic but are movies really expensive where you all live? Even if this Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 1 is so-so it wouldn't cost me a whole lot to see it. I live in the U.S (Virginia) and our movie ticket prices aren't that bad. Sure, most theaters around here such as AMC and Regal charge 10.50 for a evening 2D showing for a movie. But Maintee movies are usually around 5-6 bucks. 3D shows are around 13 dollars and IMAX is about 15 dollars. However, my local Cinemark only charges 6.75 for NEW movies in the evenings and its a a decent theater even though is been there for a few years.
 
I feel asleep watching this.

One minute Katniss was singing then I blacked out and awoke to see
Peetah strangling Katniss.
 
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Personally, Jennifer Lawrence alone is worth spending $20 to watch, but that's just me.
 
Kinda off topic but are movies really expensive where you all live? Even if this Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 1 is so-so it wouldn't cost me a whole lot to see it. I live in the U.S (Virginia) and our movie ticket prices aren't that bad. Sure, most theaters around here such as AMC and Regal charge 10.50 for a evening 2D showing for a movie. But Maintee movies are usually around 5-6 bucks. 3D shows are around 13 dollars and IMAX is about 15 dollars. However, my local Cinemark only charges 6.75 for NEW movies in the evenings and its a a decent theater even though is been there for a few years.

Consider yourself lucky, it cost me $20 (about $17.30 US) to see Interstellar in a regular theatre.
 
However, my local Cinemark only charges 6.75 for NEW movies in the evenings and its a a decent theater even though is been there for a few years.

At Carmike, it's $5.75 for showtimes that fall between 4 and 5:30 p.m. (we had two showings of Mockingjay that fell in that time frame, so a lot of folks). Every day too.

I think at Surf Cinemas in Southport, NC (a small four auditorium theater), it's $4.50 for matinees and $6.50 for nighttime shows.
 
I really can't stand this....

Again and again and again and again...I want there to be a Bond forum. The character is officially deemed as a Super Spy, so why can't we class him as a Superhero?
How the hell did Star Trek gets its own spot on here? And look at that, no ****er uses it. They voted for it and look at it now. I've seen more life in a graveyard. Who the hell is a "superhero" in Star Trek anyway?
Bond has had a vast history. 23 films, tons of books, video games, countless products and merchandise, interesting characters, the music...all that to discuss, and we're limited to one thread. It's ridiculous.
Who do I have to sleep with around here to get us a place for Bond?

The fishes. :ninja:
 
I sincerely doubt the Bond forum would get that much play either. It's a pop culture thing but we only discuss it when a new movie rolls around.
 
Saw this today and it was okay, if your looking for action, this movie isn't it. I thought there be more since I'd figure it was the start of the Revolution, but I guess not(no, I didn't read the books).
Jennifer Lawrence was good in this, was her best acting of the series so far. Who knew she could sing( I didn't), and what was the name of the song she was singing and why wasn't it on the Soundtrack. I wish there was more Woody in this, and I actually didn't find the one lady too annoying(sorry don't know names, but lady with all the wigs); however, I did find the leader of District 13 to be kind of annoying.
So, far I think Hunger Games was best overall so far, and Mockingjay the best acted so far.
 
Just got back from seeing this and I liked it. Like most, I wish I didn't have to wait like a year to see the finale, but I am not gonna knock the film for that like critics and other people have been. There have been other movies such as Lord of the rings and Harry potter that did the same but no one complained about it like they are here. Just seems really bias on critics part. Anyway, I thought this was a decent movie that has a lot of social commentary. The acting is solid across the board and since I am invested in the characters and plot, I was never bored watching the movie.

These movies have never been action movies. Yes, this movie is about a rebellion and we do get brief bits of action here. But if you are expecting to see rebels vs the capital in a big battle then wait until part 2. People that claim no guns are fired in this movie are just trolling because there are a few brief scenes of bombings and gun fire here. Anyway, I recommend this to fans of the previous two movies and/or the books. It's def not as bad as some people here are trying to make it out to be. If your not a fan of these movies or the books then you probably won't like this.

8/10
 
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I think ultimately whether you like the movie comes down to your true appreciation for great acting.

I think many movie goers aren't huge movie fans, and normally would skip movies well-acted but not enough action.

I just can't see those usually appreciate great acting calling this movie bad/boring, cuz really it has some of the best acting ever, period.
 
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I think ultimately whether you like the movie comes down to your true appreciation for great acting.

I think many movie goers aren't huge movie fans, and normally would skip movies well-acted but not enough action.

I just can't see those usually appreciate great acting calling this movie bad/boring, cuz really it has some of the best acting ever, period.
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A movie can have great acting and still not work as a film. Plot, direction, editing, etc all count. Plenty of examples out there.
 
Consider yourself lucky, it cost me $20 (about $17.30 US) to see Interstellar in a regular theatre.

Junk food, rent, cars, petrol, movie tickets, electronics are each about twice as expensive as they would be in the USA. Produce and clothing can be ~4x more expensive, or higher.

I have this polo that I bought for $25 in Florida. I found it at David Jones for $100, lol.
 
Did Jena Malone have a lot of screen time?

no she did not.

i saw the movie last night and everyone in my group thought it was mad boring and slow. definitely feels like watching half of a movie. the first two were way better. i do think people have complained about making the hobbit three movies. they should have left it as two as originally planned.

there's also a scene in there that was just so stupid
save the cat
that i couldn't believe they actually put it in there. it's almost the equivalent of kim and the cougar in 24 season 2.
 
That sucks, I love Jena Malone and really dug her in the last one. Never read the books but was hoping for that character to come into play more with how Catching Fire ended.
 
This is definitely the weakest Hunger Games film yet. Like there are good moments but it just wasn't exciting and enjoyable enough compare to the last two. There are also a lot of off moments, like the camera men trying to film Katniss while Katniss was having her moments, the camera men were like robots. Then the part where Katniss ran to her sister and the countdown. The last few scenes also made me sleepy especially some of the scenes were really dim in lighting. And as much the cat looked cute, they should have just removed it.

no she did not.

Didn't she have 1 scene right?
 
Just got back from seeing this and I liked it. Like most, I wish I didn't have to wait like a year to see the finale, but I am not gonna knock the film for that like critics and other people have been. There have been other movies such as Lord of the rings and Harry potter that did the same but no one complained about it like they are here. Just seems really bias on critics part. Anyway, I thought this was a decent movie that has a lot of social commentary. The acting is solid across the board and since I am invested in the characters and plot, I was never bored watching the movie.

These movies have never been action movies. Yes, this movie is about a rebellion and we do get brief bits of action here. But if you are expecting to see rebels vs the capital in a big battle then wait until part 2. People that claim no guns are fired in this movie are just trolling because there are a few brief scenes of bombings and gun fire here. Anyway, I recommend this to fans of the previous two movies and/or the books. It's def not as bad as some people here are trying to make it out to be. If your not a fan of these movies or the books then you probably won't like this.

8/10


Basically my entire opinion on things. :up:
 
That sucks, I love Jena Malone and really dug her in the last one. Never read the books but was hoping for that character to come into play more with how Catching Fire ended.
She will.
 
So far people that didn't like this but you like the Lord Of The Rings and Harry Potter flicks ( particularly Deathly Hallows part 1) what makes you over look the filler in those movies and dislike this? And those movies barely have action in them. I am genuinely curious because those movies finales also have been drawn out or broken into two parts and nothing has been said about it. But with this it gets a ton a criticism for it. It's like people aren't even fans of the franchise are going out and seeing this for some reason.
 
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A movie can have great acting and still not work as a film. Plot, direction, editing, etc all count. Plenty of examples out there.

I can not see how the directing is bad, nor editing, it is just a story cut in half but everything is really in place. You don't get it. Francis Lawrence's ability to direct actors is nothing short of amazing. It disgusts me that people fail to appreciate the fact.


Maybe they shouldn't divided the movie into 2, but who has the patience to watch a 4.5 hours movie anymore?


of course, some people wouldn't cared if a lot of Katniss emotion got cut, or not shown in the whole movie, but whatever I thought they were necessary or pleasing to watch.

With a great actress like Jennifer Lawrence, nothing really need to be cut, cuz she totally does amazing in them !
 
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